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Please Help with Diagnosis

gdawg328

New member
Hi Folks,
new to growing cannabis and this forum, though not new to growing plants in general or forums in general. Can anyone help me out with a diagnosis? It could be the lights, general overwatering/nutrient deficiency from having a small pot, or Ca/Mg deficiency? See below and pics.

Thanks!

I started these from seed - Mango, Jack Herer, AK-47 - about 3 weeks ago. They started under T8s in clear (see through) solo cups. When they were about 2 weeks old, I moved them under 2 Citizen COBs (gogreenled) run at about 50w each.

Soon after the move, they began to turn yellow from the bottom up, and the leaves were wilting, with some of the leaves developing brown spots. On a few of the plants (mostly the one in the middle, but not in these pics), also yellowed at the top (first pair of leaves mostly). I noticed later that this soil contained low essential nutrients (.07% N, .05% P, .06%K).

I decided to transplant them. I ended up getting some pretty bunk soil by accident (Burpee "Organic and Natural" Growing Medium - 0.12% total nitrogen 0.12% available phosphate 0.12% soluble potash and 0.12% calcium - this is mostly coco coir in texture, very little mineral or humus). I wasn't happy with what I had, and figuring the plants needed a bit extra oomph to recover, I added plenty of composted manure, which sat outside all summer last year through this winter. The original mixture was about 1/3-1/2 of the composted manure. Also, while transplanting, I noticed the soil of some of the transplants was warm to the touch and quite wet after not having watered for a few days. I didn't make drainholes in the solo cups but I tried to be careful not to overwater and allow accumulation at the bottom of the cup.

About 2 days after the transplant, many plants indicated N toxicity with the classic "claw" forming on some of the leaves. Its visible in some of these pics. So I transplanted again, four of the plants, diluting the original up-potted material with some relatively N deficient soil that grew yellow tomato plants last year. The plants circled in red are the 2x transplants. The yellowing seems to be abating somewhat, though the brown spots seem to still be developing. Also notice that the yellowing is only occurring towards the ends of the leaves, with the center/bottom of the leaves remaining dark green.
 

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HqFarms

Member
Scope them out and look for russets or broad mites. If you can't find either mites then they ate locked out do toxicity or ph. Flush and get your ph right. If things don't bet better then you can rule out ph. Bugs are always my go to then ph and then finally toxicity. I have never actually had a real deficiency. It has either been over nuting or ph. These plants don't want as much as people think they do.
 

Granger2

Active member
Veteran
Why would you not have drain holes? Probably part of your problem. Punch holes and flush. Good luck. -granger
 

gdawg328

New member
What do you mean by "flush." This I haven't/don't plan on adding fertilizer, as this is a soil grow.

The pot that were transplanted into have drainholes.
 

944s2

Well-known member
ICMag Donor
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Scope them out and look for russets or broad mites. If you can't find either mites then they ate locked out do toxicity or ph. Flush and get your ph right. If things don't bet better then you can rule out ph. Bugs are always my go to then ph and then finally toxicity. I have never actually had a real deficiency. It has either been over nuting or ph. These plants don't want as much as people think they do.

Yep and pray to the canna gods that its not broad mites,,,,very hard to diagnose BM but they will wreck a run in no time,,,,s2
 

gdawg328

New member
No mites, I just looked.

Anyone know how long it should take for the plants to show N toxicity has been eliminated?
 

n_d_ledz

Member
Why would you not have drain holes? Probably part of your problem. Punch holes and flush. Good luck. -granger

Drain holes or not, I agree, looks like soggy roots. Nothing on those plants looks close to a nitrogen tox. Lack of p, k and mg tho....typically means overwatered...
 

cashcropper541

New member
Looks overwatered. Overwatering will fuck up your ph for sure also. To prevent this problem in the future make sure to get yourself an airy mix of soil by adding perlite or another substrate that is similar to allow for drainage properties. This will get air to the roots and help prevent overwatering. make a soil mix for yourself and transplant everything into bigger pots. Water half as much volume too. It's better to water every other day with less amounts of water and nutrients with correct ph than water heavily where you will get root rot which will also throw off your ph and cause problems like the one you have
 
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