plastic tie choking my main stem (help)

[Pothead from 86]

xxx Ifound a plastic tiemchoking my main stem that I missed 60 days ago. I removed it, but today I noticed several fan leaves have shriviled up and died. I removed the tie a week or so ago. The only other thing different is my temp has recently dropped to low 60's at nite. I need a heater but I'm 0n day 8 of my 12-12 hour light cycle switch over from a 18-6 cycle so I have to find one without an led light scared of hermies. Sorry no pics {no camera} Also am I in the sexing cycle or flowering cycle? As you guessed my first grow. From bagseed in soil under 3-80 watt cfl 48 inch tubes. 2 plants 1 vegged 6 months (62 inches tall) and one vegged 60 days (39 inches tall) great bagseed happy its a female both are just dont want to lose them lots of love amd time invested and money also.

 

[TahoeTops]

You would be better off getting yourself a small HID light. The heat would also come up as well. I know they are nopt ideal but you can get something from your local hardware store that will give more lumens than what you are currently using.

Good luck.............

Borrow a camera if you have to. We need pics.

 

[HuffAndPuff]

If the plant has managed healthy growth above where the tie cut into it, you're all good. You biggest risk is if the plant has an open wound resulting from growing into the tie, and the subsequent removal. If it does, it will be susceptible to infection, infestation, all manner of nasties. Solution, you ask? Duct tape. Yup. That's it. Firm, but not constricting, cover the wound, and she'll be all set. w/out pics, I can't be more specific, but you'd be amazed what cannabis can survive!

HuffAndPuff

[EDIT: 'Sexing' can be done by looking at the plant's pre-flowers, or, alternatively, by flowering the plant and seeing what results. 'Sexing' is merely the process of determining your plant's sex. Generally, plants will show signs of flowering after 7-12 days of the reduced light cycle. Sativas will take longer, Indicas will be at or below the low end of the spectrum. Some strains auto flower under 24 hours of light. Once you flip to the reduced light cycle, you have initiated flowering.]

 

[MynameStitch]

Pics would most definatly be needed in this situation....... as for the plant.... they are very resilient suckers; if you see dead tissue some of the vascular tissue on the inside is damaged and some of the leaves will die and most likley branches will..... this is from the veins inside the plant that carry nutrients and water have been pinched and cut off too long which it's like us having our finger squeezed where no blood can get through......
same thing for the plant, but it's not blood.

So parts of the plant will remain dead, the area inside the plant that was not damaged will survive and the vascular lines that did not get damaged along with the branches that line up with it will be fine too. There is really nothing you can do at this point except not let it happen again


Duct tape is the worst thing you want to use; it offers no flexibility and can leave sticky residue on the plant; your best bet is to use medical tape; it's flexible and sticky enough to do the job right.

 

[ganjaLeaving]

Hi Pothead from 86 and others,

one LED light wont give hermies. Plus, you can use some tape to cover it.

Good luck with the healing process.

 

[whatsthatsmell]

The best thing that i have found to work for plants that need to be bandaged due to either a branch snapping, or bent, or damaged in some way is to take some toilet paper, or a snot rag (facial tissue), get them wet and wrap it around your damaged plant. When this dries it will become a "cast", if you will, for the plant. This will also allow your plant to breath and will also be able to out grow that cast, or you can just knock it off in a couple weeks. Its kinda hard to miss a big white cast around your plant, at least that is what i find anyways....


Hope that helps ya for your next grow...

 

[MynameStitch]

Hey smell; that is a very good idea dude; I love stoner ingenuity!

 

[Guest]

xxx Ifound a plastic tiemchoking my main stem that I missed 60 days ago. I removed it, but today I noticed several fan leaves have shriviled up and died. I removed the tie a week or so ago. The only other thing different is my temp has recently dropped to low 60's at nite. I need a heater but I'm 0n day 8 of my 12-12 hour light cycle switch over from a 18-6 cycle so I have to find one without an led light scared of hermies. Sorry no pics {no camera} Also am I in the sexing cycle or flowering cycle? As you guessed my first grow. From bagseed in soil under 3-80 watt cfl 48 inch tubes. 2 plants 1 vegged 6 months (62 inches tall) and one vegged 60 days (39 inches tall) great bagseed happy its a female both are just dont want to lose them lots of love amd time invested and money also.

The tie really shouldn't be a problem. Plants repair stem tissue fairly rapidly. I don't even worry any more when a branch kinks or bends. For me right now it's a necessity. I let my Kali Most get ahead of me and if I didn't have the branches bent, twisted, kinked and tied down, they'd probably be about 9 feet tall. I don't even notice a difference in the growth of that limb's buds or leaves. Some strains are a little more finicky though. Had a lower branch snap right where it connected to the main stem last spring and propped it up with a paper clip bent into a Y. It healed in several days but I left the paper clip there for a while longer. Well I forgot about it for a while and by the time I remembered, the clip was a part of that lower limb. The stem just grew around it.

When we choke a stem, the plant reroutes its nutrient delivery system quickly so as to compensate. It's been said that you can expect a bit of leaf yellowing due to this situation but I haven't really seen much of that. I''m not saying it doesn't happen, just that it hasn't happened to me because of stem stress.

I have seen yellowing leaves due to pH problems or nutrient deficiencies/excesses. If the stem to a leaf is damaged you'll definitely see yellowing. If you adjust the nutrients and the leaves don't perk up, they may been nute burned. Leaf damage due to nutrient problems is permanent, so I trim the damaged part off in an effort to save the rest of the leaf. If I don't have a general overall leaf problem, I don't worry too much. Get your pH and nutrients where they should be and the only yellowing you see should be as the plant nears the end of it's flowering and nature dictates what the plant will do.

Just a question if you would indulge me for a minute. hehe. Why are you keeping your plants in veg so long? Just a thought. You could do two grows, depending on the strains of course, in the same amount of time as veging them for so long.

Peace

 

[Kr@kEn]

LEDs do not produce hermies. hehe
In fact there are effective LED grow light systems available. HIDHUT.com sells them.

Anyway, I think the problem here is more to do with other issues and not the twisty tie.
I'm guessing you probably need to feed it magnesium and possibly a general NPK fert as well if you haven't already.

 

[HuffAndPuff]

For the record, Duct tape is plenty flexible. If you've ever used it, you know this. Oh, and Jorge Cervantes seems to think it works just fine

 

[High Jinks]

The only other thing different is my temp has recently dropped to low 60's at nite. I need a heater but I'm 0n day 8 of my 12-12 hour light cycle switch over from a 18-6 cycle so I have to find one without an led light scared of hermies.

I don't mind the low 60's at night. Lower temps promote dense buds and could give you some color, if your into that. I say forget the heater.

 

[MynameStitch]

who has not used duct tape before; duct tape is NOT flexible and is made for keeping things put without flexing; if you ever tried to stretch duct tape? You think a plant can when it tries to heal? I highly doubt that........

 

[MedResearcher]

I wouldnt sweat it, Ive seen plants completely grow around plastic ties until they are stuck inside the stem itself. I bend, break, split, rip my branches and they only come back stronger. I should take a pic but I have this tree that is split down the middle about 2 feet so the branchs are more spread out. Im always splitting it more when I see it, it has tons of open wounds and they just harden over and keep on going.

I believe there is some science to actually damaging the plant on purpose, which makes the plant kick into overdrive to repair itself increasing growth rates. You could probably google or search on this site for SuperCropping2 and find some info on it. I read a good high times article on it along time ago.

Last story, My Dad had this giant bush in my Step Moms backyard. It was huge at least 4 feet wide by 4 feet wide and 5 feet tall. Anyways my Step Mom was sort of pissed cause she didnt tell him he could grow it and it was getting so huge the neighbors could see it. So my Dad took a couple of wooden pallets, you know the ones that stores use to receive goods from. He takes the pallets and throws them on top of the bush. The two pallets squash the bush, breaking it in tons of places. Anyways a couple weeks later it looked like a messy stack of pallets with giant weed limbs popping out everywhere. Turned out to be a great harvest and looked pretty stealth. That really showed me what sort of stress these plants can be put through and turn out great.

 

[whatsthatsmell]

If given the time, and environment any plant will come back from being damaged. The thing that gets in the way for most people is......time... Everyone is in a hurry to get their plant into flower cause they know that is what they ultimately want....the flower. Its kinda like christmas when you were younger, when you knew that xmas was coming and wasnt that far away, the days get longer and longer and the last few days just take forever. For a farmer, this is similar, you pop a seed and you know that in X weeks you will have a nice present... just have to keep in mind....patience, patience patience.... time is your friend, not your enemy...

 

[MedResearcher]

xxx From bagseed in soil under 3-80 watt cfl 48 inch tubes. 2 plants 1 vegged 6 months (62 inches tall) and one vegged 60 days (39 inches tall) great bagseed happy its a female both are just dont want to lose them lots of love amd time invested and money also.

240 cfl watts is plenty to flower out a couple of plants, although since your plants are so tall.. over 5 feet high... I dont think the CFL light will penetrate all the way to the lower branchs leaves, unless you have the lights set up vertically, cant tell no pictures.

Next time I would recomend topping early once it comes about 6 inchs out of the pot, then train it to grow horizontal so you have a very low spread out bush. There are some great LST threads, pop LST into the sites search engine. Also you shouldnt need 6 months veg time, 1 month or even less should be plenty with that much light. You end up spending alot of time growing a giant chunk of stem.

Its really amazing how much and how fast bud grows from a tiny plant under the right conditions, you really have to see it to beleive it. Took me a long time to belive it. I wasted months in veging also, I think alot of people have.

Finish it off, learn from your grow, and use the info to improve on the next one. Also if you got some dough to spare you could always buy a nice 400, 600, or 1000w HID lamp and hook it up to finish off your trees

 

[Pothead from 86]

Thx everyone lost some branches but overall its okay getting a camera soon. Will have pics soon. I grew them so long because it was my 1st grow and I simply didnt know. But for the record whats a good veg cycle and flowering cycle. Also how much more growth should I expect from my plants? Thx again.

 

[High Jinks]

Plants can double in size in their flowering period. Dont be afraid of that search engine.

 

[FarmerJoe]

you'd be better off holding onto them and planting them outdoors next season =D