Plants Look Sad

[atticflowers]

Im trying to figure whats up with my plants? Im thinkin the pots/cups might be it tho cuz they have everything they need but they are 3 weeks old so it could jus be the pots their in heres a pic.



Starting to see the leaves turn this color thought it was calcium or magnesium so added some cal mag an still the same any info on this?

 

[HUGE]

over watered over fed.

 

[JayTrinity]

your doing it to hard.
I never give them anything when that small. just water and new fresh soil.

1. take the big dead leaf off, it wants to repair it taking energy and food.
2. dont worry.

They will get huge soon, they are very much alive.

 

[HempKat]

I'm going to go with the other two that responded they look over watered. Do you have drainage in the bottom of those cups? I couldn't tell from the pics.

 

[JamieShoes]

what Huge said.. I was literally gonna type just that but now I've ended up typing loads of extra words just to say that I totally agree with him...overwatered, overfed.


p.s Huge, those cups they give you, theyre so much nicer than the ones we got in my year (2010) ... think I better get my arse in gear and make some entries...

 

[atticflowers]

over watered over fed.

Good looken out! So i can leave em in these cups for how much longer u think? I wanna try n max the cups then i have a 6" nursery pot they call it where my plants got about 4-6' tall which was a waste but anyway i wanna go to those next an harvest from there after they get situated in the new pots.

 

[waveguide]

a lot of "grower" stuff in my experience kinda conflicts with stuff i learned in the nursery business. because most of my weed is shitty micro grows, i haven't yet gained the experience (outside - beyond the backyard the desert here is pretty lethal) to figure out what's true and what's not.

from my experience, you should play a game of seeing how far you can let them go without water. in the conventional knowledge, this tells the plant to grow more roots, which is how it gets bigger. if you water the root ball, in the top in the center, roots don't need to go anywhere.

course that cant be true because we weed growers know that roots grow because we buy root grow formulas

when you get experience transplanting you'll see what your roots are like. some people even occasionally remove a can to inspect the roots.

i get the idea from what i see and what growers "i like" say, that once the roots start to wind round the bottom and get the rootbound signal, you lose your opportunity at continuing that "fabulous health" thing you want to encourage from start to finish to grow the best weed.

but i also have this crazy fringe idea that plants *know* exactly how much soil they've got as soon as their soil is alive, maybe before. plants know everythnig, man, wow.

i guess i regularly do maybe 4 weeks in 16oz? i'd maybe have transplanted those a node earlier. but you can keep a plant in them for a good while, months, if you need to. of course less food for less growth if they need to wait for flower space.

it's funny though a micro grow is kind of like a rat in a cage. no nature, you have to buy shit from the store to make your beautiful plant be healthy, so it's all a gamble.. who do i trust, what do i buy.. so we're all kinda s.o.l. - it's like over 20 years ago that i started working fulltime with plants, and this fucking micro rat cage still has me making the same errors out of sheer desperation. that's why i smoke weed to relax from the stress of growing weed.

tldr = i like huge's answer.

 

[Relentless]

ya looks like maybe a little over watering and they will want some new soil soon

 

[HUGE]

I'm stealing this quote from someone but it's great.

If it's not dry, don't apply.
When in doubt, flush it out.

 

[HempKat]

Good looken out! So i can leave em in these cups for how much longer u think? I wanna try n max the cups then i have a 6" nursery pot they call it where my plants got about 4-6' tall which was a waste but anyway i wanna go to those next an harvest from there after they get situated in the new pots.

You can leave them in the cups, if the cups have drainage. An actively growing plant in a cup should be root bound after 4 weeks. Plus they should be pretty tough to overwater unless you're watering every day then maybe but a root bound should be at a point where it needs water every day. If that were the case and you gave it to them everyday they should be bigger. Plants don't drink water for refreshment, they drink it to grow. You'd be surprised at the percentage of water in "solid" objects, humans for example their body is made up by about 55-75% water depending on size, shape, age, etc., about 10% of which is locked up inside the cellular level.

Now if the cup had no drainage it would do okay at first because the upper level of soil might be used up in a day but once it gets down deep in the soil there is no oxygen because the deep soil in an overwatered cup with no drainage, stays wet. Roots need oxygen as much as nutrients and water to stay healthy. They get this in soil when air is pulled in as the water evaporates and gets taken up by the plant. Nature abhors a vacuum. So when the water moves out of a crevice in the soil air moves in to take it's place. If this never happens roots begin to rot and die off stunting growth above soil and eventually making the plant sick. The roots die off because they're literally being smothered by the excess water.

I can't say when those plants in cups will become root bound. Likely never if the soil isn't allowed to dry out more by either watering less and/or improving drainage. Once the problem is corrected it shouldn't be but a week or two since they have done a lot of the growing they can achieve in a cup. If you were starting from scratch and the watering was right and it was given good light and nutrients then the plant should become root bound right around when it's one month old, maybe sooner depending on how vigorous the growth is. A sign of a root bound plant to look for is that the lower leaves will begin to yellow and die off. If uncorrected by "up potting" the yellowing will continue from the bottom up. As soon as you see this get the plant in a bigger pot to minimize the amount of leaves that yellow because they'll continue to die off once they yellow. Leaves typically don't bounce back to good health. Also a little trick some use when they transplant is that they'll score the root ball on four sides about 1/2 inch deep with a box cutter or other sharp tool, too encourage the roots to spread out more.

 

[atticflowers]

Yea i got a bit too anxious with these an i had watered them 2 days before i got some ferts for soil plants an like a kid at xmas i wanted to use my new toys LMAO but i went an toped an cut the NG leaves so ima give em a few weeks of just straight water maybe about 2 times a week the new leaves are already comin back so by the end of this week they should have all or most of the fan leaves back i dont wanna put em under my MH light jus yet cuz of this dam heat wave the nex few days but i am gonna set up AC i jus need the ducting for my lighting anyway other than that alls good! Thanks for all feedback/help u guys left.

 

[waveguide]

i was thinking yesterday (thank god it stopped! whew!)

as socialised, media enriched humans, we tend to look at plants (well everything) like penises, up = happy, down = sad.

i noticed that when plants are 'happy' the leaves are angled towards the center... when a plant gets too damp (maybe not sustained, fried kinda damp, jsut like, a bit damp) the leaves kinda curl down on the tips and hang down...

and i'm thinknig... that's to channel water to the center/stalk, or away from the stalk...

maybe the response varies between individuals tho.

 

[HempKat]

Yea i got a bit too anxious with these an i had watered them 2 days before i got some ferts for soil plants an like a kid at xmas i wanted to use my new toys LMAO but i went an toped an cut the NG leaves so ima give em a few weeks of just straight water maybe about 2 times a week the new leaves are already comin back so by the end of this week they should have all or most of the fan leaves back i dont wanna put em under my MH light jus yet cuz of this dam heat wave the nex few days but i am gonna set up AC i jus need the ducting for my lighting anyway other than that alls good! Thanks for all feedback/help u guys left.

Well don't just set a time table for watering, the plants might need it more frequently, less frequently or a mixture of more and less. The best method to use is the lifting method. This is where you lift the cups, if they feel heavier then when you first planted in those cups (before they were watered) then hold off, if they feel the same or lighter then water. It may be a little hard judging at first but you'll quickly get the hang of it.

 

[atticflowers]

Well don't just set a time table for watering, the plants might need it more frequently, less frequently or a mixture of more and less. The best method to use is the lifting method. This is where you lift the cups, if they feel heavier then when you first planted in those cups (before they were watered) then hold off, if they feel the same or lighter then water. It may be a little hard judging at first but you'll quickly get the hang of it.

Yup, i jus tryed to avrage it out cuz i knew we gonna get a heat wave but they seem to be bouncing back ok an i only gave em a dribble of water i think monday morning in terms of when to water i always do the finger an weight tricks stick my finger in the soil up to my first nuckle then feel the weight of the pot an go forward from there but i jumped the gun when i got my new nutes im hopeing i dont make another mistake unless its intentional like droughting the plants to get more THC production or super croping for the same reason etc. i might just leave em tho an try my best not to stress em too bad any more. LOL

 

[Adze]

I think if you pop one out of it cup you'll find the roots circling the bottom. More soil will make them happier and you don't need to water quite so often. Larger volumes of soil are somewhat more forgiving of many growing issues.

 

[ChasingGreen]

I would go get one of those $8 soil meters that tell you how wet the soil is, they have them at Home Depot in the garden department. It really helped me to stop watering so often, now that I can check the different root zones and I can wait until the bottom one is "moist" instead of "wet" to water. Before the meter, I was always over watering.

 

[Lepreschone]

Weigh your pots. Stop watering until they ask for it. Weigh again before and after watering and realize how light/dry they can actually get. You shouldn't have watering problems anymore.

 

[HempKat]

Yup, i jus tryed to avrage it out cuz i knew we gonna get a heat wave but they seem to be bouncing back ok an i only gave em a dribble of water i think monday morning in terms of when to water i always do the finger an weight tricks stick my finger in the soil up to my first nuckle then feel the weight of the pot an go forward from there but i jumped the gun when i got my new nutes im hopeing i dont make another mistake unless its intentional like droughting the plants to get more THC production or super croping for the same reason etc. i might just leave em tho an try my best not to stress em too bad any more. LOL

Well there is a tendency to do what more experienced growers call "loving your plants to death". Where new growers meaning well end up killing plants by trying to out think nature in hopes of getting a better yield. Trust me, nature has had marijuana down pat for 1000's of years, you're not going to out think that.