plants just started to flower outside- see some mites

[zachrockbadenof]

plants started to flower outside about 10days ago, n saw some speckling, so took a leave and sure enough...the borg... its really minor... at the moment, but want to kill em now- i have 'nuke' ingredients... florimite/etc, but dont wanta use that shit... i have neem/safer soap, rosemary oil, clove oil... maybe a combo of em??

 

[Mr. J]

10 days like they're just putting out some pistils? I'd hit them with the neem and soap twice a few days apart along with defoliating any damaged parts and then I would cross my fingers and hope for the best.

 

[troutman]

Don't forget to spray around them too.

Outdoors I spray more around the plants than on them to make a chemical barrier as a deterrent.

 

[Ace Rothstein]

plants started to flower outside about 10days ago, n saw some speckling, so took a leave and sure enough...the borg... its really minor... at the moment, but want to kill em now- i have 'nuke' ingredients... florimite/etc, but dont wanta use that shit... i have neem/safer soap, rosemary oil, clove oil... maybe a combo of em??

Yes Neem, Soap,
Cedar bark mulch or cedar shavings from pet store.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

thanks guys... sprayin tomm morning... so far there is zero damage... but i've seen the damage these mo-fo's do inside so i wanta destroy them .... send em to mite heaven...i mean mite hell...

 

[troutman]

Another thing, outside natural predators will help out a little too.

 

[greenspiritz]

Pyrethrum 5EC

Pyrethrum 5EC

This stuff is brilliant! Wipes them out over night and Thrips, spray just before lights off and spray again 2 - 3 days later just to make sure.

The light degrades the Pyrethrins within 24 - 48hrs.

(Pyrethrum 5EC) Natural Organic Insecticide is a natural insecticide made from dried Chrysanthemum flowers and it is registered as suitable for both organic and non-organic farming.

Good luck!

 

[thailer]

i would be careful about using pyrethrums in flower. i know it says it degrades that quickly but i think it still can come up in testing. i would look into that a little further since you're in flower already.

i just got mites a week ago and someone else i know did too. Tis the season. So i was reading up on whats working and found this exceptional study on the two spotted mite that was published a couple weeks ago!

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ey_of_Alternatives_for_Controlling_Pest_Mites

I would use Nuke Em, big time exterminator or Dr Zymes in flower. its basically citric acid and at my old work, they were using food grade citric acid. i don't have the dose per gallon though. someone else told me hydrogen peroxide worked well too. good luck to both of us huh?!

 

[greenspiritz]

i would be careful about using pyrethrums in flower. i know it says it degrades that quickly but i think it still can come up in testing. i would look into that a little further since you're in flower already.



I think you are mistaken between pyrethrins and pyrethroids. Pyrethrins are extremely susceptible to heat and UV light. Their withholding period on produce is typically only 24 hours. Given the time and processes between the application of pyrethrins on a growing plant and the use of the dried product it is extremely unlikely any pyrethrin would remain. Pyrethroids (the synthetic version) on the other hand would still exist and could be a problem.

The listed ingredients on the data sheet is:


Alkoxylate
KEROSINE (PETROLEUM)
PIPERONYL BUTOXIDE
PYRETHRINS INCLUDING CINERINS
SODIUM DIALKYLSULFOSUCCINATE

How might I be exposed to (piperonyl butoxide (PBO)
You may be exposed to PBO by breathing it, eating it, touching it, or getting it in your eyes. This can happen when
applying sprays or dusts indoors or outdoors. Avoid touching wet surfaces or inhaling pesticide mist or dust. You may
also be exposed if you eat, smoke, or use the bathroom without washing your hands after a pesticide application.
PBO is also registered for use on both dogs and cats in flea and tick treatments. People may be exposed while
treating their pets or if they touch a recently treated pet.
Very small amounts of PBO may be present as residue found on food. PBO is approved for use on many crops before
harvest. It is exempt from maximum residue limit (tolerance) requirements. Some foods may be treated with PBO
after harvest, including almonds, tomatoes, wheat, and animal meat.


Sodium 1,4-(dialkyl sulfosuccinates) are exempt from the requirement of a tolerance for residues when used as an inert ingredient in pesticide formulations for pre-harvest and post-harvest uses, as well as for application to animals under 40 CFR
180.910 and 40 CFR 180.930, respectively. This regulation eliminates the need to establish a maximum permissible level for
residues of the sodium 1,4-dialkyl sulfosuccinates.
Diethylhexyl Sodium Sulfosuccinate
Diethylhexyl sodium sulfosuccinate is generally recognized as safe and effective as a laxative drug product for over-thecounter use. (58 FR 46589, Sept 2, 1993).
Diethylhexyl sodium sulfosuccinate is included in the Listing Of Color Additives Exempt From Certification; it is used as a
diluent in color additive mixtures for food use exempt from certification, and has a limitation of <9 ppm. (21CFR 73.1) It is
approved as the direct food additive “cocoa with dioctyl sodium sulfosuccinate for manufacturing,” whereby the amount of
diethylhexyl sodium sulfosuccinate does not exceed 75 parts per million of the finished beverage (21CFR 172.520).
Diethylhexyl sodium sulfosuccinate is also allowed as a multi-purpose food additive when it meets the specifications of the
3
Food Chemicals Codex (21CFR172.810). With use as an emulsifier, the Joint FAO/WHO Expert Committee on Food
Additives (JECFA) has established an acceptable daily intake (ADI) of 0-0.1 mg/kg bw.


I personally believe so early on in flower, I don't think there will be any remnants remaining.

 

[greenspiritz]

Pyrethrum 5 EC is a contact insecticide for use on various crops including tomato, aubergine, courgette & peppers. It is used for the control of all chewing and sucking pests including aphids (blackfly and greenfly), caterpillars, whitefly and red spider mite.

The pyrethrin active ingredient derives from chrysanthemum flowers (chrysanthemum cinerariaefolium) and has been available in Europe for 150 years in most chemist shops for flea and louse control. Liquid concentrates containing extracts from this flower miscible with water and suitable for spray application to crops had not been registered for use by the Pesticides Safety Directorate until now.

This natural insecticide is now registered and is suitable for use in organic and non-organic farming. Pyrethrum 5 EC kills insect pests quickly without leaving any toxic residuals.

 

[thailer]

i would be careful about using pyrethrums in flower. i know it says it degrades that quickly but i think it still can come up in testing. i would look into that a little further since you're in flower already.



I think you are mistaken between pyrethrins and pyrethroids. Pyrethrins are extremely susceptible to heat and UV light. Their withholding period on produce is typically only 24 hours. Given the time and processes between the application of pyrethrins on a growing plant and the use of the dried product it is extremely unlikely any pyrethrin would remain. Pyrethroids (the synthetic version) on the other hand would still exist and could be a problem.

The listed ingredients on the data sheet is:


Alkoxylate
KEROSINE (PETROLEUM)
PIPERONYL BUTOXIDE
PYRETHRINS INCLUDING CINERINS
SODIUM DIALKYLSULFOSUCCINATE

How might I be exposed to (piperonyl butoxide (PBO)
You may be exposed to PBO by breathing it, eating it, touching it, or getting it in your eyes. This can happen when
applying sprays or dusts indoors or outdoors. Avoid touching wet surfaces or inhaling pesticide mist or dust. You may
also be exposed if you eat, smoke, or use the bathroom without washing your hands after a pesticide application.
PBO is also registered for use on both dogs and cats in flea and tick treatments. People may be exposed while
treating their pets or if they touch a recently treated pet.
Very small amounts of PBO may be present as residue found on food. PBO is approved for use on many crops before
harvest. It is exempt from maximum residue limit (tolerance) requirements. Some foods may be treated with PBO
after harvest, including almonds, tomatoes, wheat, and animal meat.


Sodium 1,4-(dialkyl sulfosuccinates) are exempt from the requirement of a tolerance for residues when used as an inert ingredient in pesticide formulations for pre-harvest and post-harvest uses, as well as for application to animals under 40 CFR
180.910 and 40 CFR 180.930, respectively. This regulation eliminates the need to establish a maximum permissible level for
residues of the sodium 1,4-dialkyl sulfosuccinates.
Diethylhexyl Sodium Sulfosuccinate
Diethylhexyl sodium sulfosuccinate is generally recognized as safe and effective as a laxative drug product for over-thecounter use. (58 FR 46589, Sept 2, 1993).
Diethylhexyl sodium sulfosuccinate is included in the Listing Of Color Additives Exempt From Certification; it is used as a
diluent in color additive mixtures for food use exempt from certification, and has a limitation of <9 ppm. (21CFR 73.1) It is
approved as the direct food additive “cocoa with dioctyl sodium sulfosuccinate for manufacturing,” whereby the amount of
diethylhexyl sodium sulfosuccinate does not exceed 75 parts per million of the finished beverage (21CFR 172.520).
Diethylhexyl sodium sulfosuccinate is also allowed as a multi-purpose food additive when it meets the specifications of the
3
Food Chemicals Codex (21CFR172.810). With use as an emulsifier, the Joint FAO/WHO Expert Committee on Food
Additives (JECFA) has established an acceptable daily intake (ADI) of 0-0.1 mg/kg bw.


I personally believe so early on in flower, I don't think there will be any remnants remaining.

well i guess i am confused a little because i do read this type of stuff but then people are telling me that even when used in veg, their test results are showing it coming up. So i was curious what products that we use that would contain these pyrethroids that don't break down, because all the 'oids are like ornamental sprays like bifenthrin or flea foggers and the stuff we can buy in a hydro store would be these easily degradable safe products? i have to admit that the only thing i can come up with is the difference between indoor and outdoor but that disclaimer doesn't usually come with the warning you get.

 

[Capt.Ahab]

I would avoid anything that contains PBO .
Check out PYGANIC brand Pyrethrin.

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

"you must spread your reputation around before giving it to troutman again"

Another thing, outside natural predators will help out a little too.

Exactly, they help a lot. I've never, ever sprayed anything but water on outdoor plants with mites. Maybe my yard has more predators than most, but I can set an infested indoor plant outside and the mites are wiped out in a week. I've actually used this method to gather predators and bring them indoors.

That said, where I live we get about 9-11 inches of rain a year, so I often wash outdoor plants with water. They absolutely love a good bath and I'm sure it doesn't make a mites life too enjoyable either. I've water washed plants at the actual time of harvest, to no detriment that I could tell. For folks who might have heebee jeebees about critters and stuff on their outdoor flower, a water wash at harvest cleans the plant up real nice.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

"yI've never, ever sprayed anything but water on outdoor plants with mites. Maybe my yard has more predators than most, but I can set an infested indoor plant outside and the mites are wiped out in a week. .

actually that's what i did this morning... instead of chem's , no matter how harmless they may be, my buddy told me... try water... and do it every day or every other day... mites don't like humidity ... i'll report back