Plants Growing Flat stems WTF?

[Iron_Lion]

So a little background story. I've got 2 females, 1 chocolate rain and 1 trip x bb, both mothers are perfectly normal in appearance. So I took 2 cuts from each plant, veg'd for a few weeks in small pots, then transplanted them into larger pots.

A few days after the transplant, 1 cut from each strain started to mutate. When the cuts were taken they had normal round stems but then they somehow stems turned flat a week or so after the transplant, the nodes have shifted and now it has 3 growth sites at each node.

The other 1 cut from each strain is perfectly normal. I grow organic so I can rule out PGR's but either way very weird.

Trip

Choc Rain

 

[TLoft13]

Looks a bit like rhubarb. I suggest you make a nice, sweet compote out of it.

 

[Kcar]

Looks like Co-joined twins...

 

[Widow Maker]

my guess is that it was a really fat stemmed cut to begin with? after the cut was taken since new roots formed it didnt have quite the bandwidth so to speak so it slowed down uptake therefore causing it to shrink?? That's my guess. Still looks pretty fat to me though.. but yes very weird, lol.

 

[whatsupdoc]

So cool. Thanks for sharing. Love the oddities.

 

[fox mulder]

Do you live downwind from high tension power lines or near fracking operations?

Are you positive that the mutated cuts are from different moms? Not to insult your judgment, but you realize that this would indicate an anomalous environmental factor?

Are you west coast? Could be fukushima fallout.

Post bud pics.

 

[Iron_Lion]

Do you live downwind from high tension power lines or near fracking operations?

Are you positive that the mutated cuts are from different moms? Not to insult your judgment, but you realize that this would indicate an anomalous environmental factor?

Are you west coast? Could be fukushima fallout.

Post bud pics.

Nope, nowhere near fracking or high tension wires and nowhere near fukishima. Yes I am 100% sure 1 cut is from Chocolate Rain and 1 from Trip xBB. I have other cuts from the same moms so I can easily match them up.

My guess is that this was triggered by environment.
Im going to say it either had something to do with my cloning gel or the mineral content of my soil. I use soil that has been used and recycled for over a year, so I know exactly what gets put in it.

The only thing I have changed recently is an increase in minerals.

A quick google images search shows this has popped up before, altho it appears to be very rare.

 

[Capt.Ahab]

Ive had flat stems on some hashy Indica plants grown from seed in the past . Never seen it as a mutation on a clone .

 

[Green Supreme]

Happened to me off an f2 Sweet Tooth. Was really great herbs. Peace GS

 

[ace569er]

It's called witches broom. Which is caused by several different things in nature. In your case, infection. It will pass on to clones randomly, so to say. Topping induces it. One of mine, in which I purposely did it to, after finding an infected tree. Gave me 36 inter nodes, in less then 2 inches. Plus an easy 200+ at the terminal shoot. stem will not increase much in thickness, mainly in width. Vertical growth will slow, 20%-60%. Till the point that branches below the flattening, surpass the terminal shoot in height, stopping it's growth, if they are not tied down. Clones sent into bud from infected donor, can easily be introduced to forming witches broom by FIMing them, but doing it a little extra. Meaning cutting more, to the point of, almost killing the shoot, you cut so much. Then re-trim fan leaves from first shoots forming as soon as there 1/8" in size.
If set into bloom that way, it will form a massive cola. Averaging 25%-30% more in overall weight. The genitic mutation allows you to far surpass, a strain's, genetic weight limit. At a great lose of flavor in center of cola, sadly. Tip of cola will be oblong and the hairs will shrink, in size, as approaching the center tip. Till they are mite sized and there's hundreds in a 1/2" squared. I haven't tested witches broom on cana in 2years, after losing the donor. Would love to see more tests, on blooming plants with witch's broom. Please keep updating......

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

fasciated stem

 

[GetUpStandUp]

This is a genetic mutation from mass breeding, and is common in Morrocan strains I believe, Well this is what I recall in a documentry of a crew who hunted seed strains around the world, sorry I cant recall the spacifics other than the shows called seed hunters, and they are actually one of the most reputable seed banks in the world. This type of mutation which is very common in certain strains, yes very weird indeed, dont know to be happy, or sad that you got one, maybe you wont have to worry bout getting another, you got your odds out the way, LOL.

 

[Iron_Lion]

fasciated stem

Winner!

GUSU, I knew I had seen this before but couldnt remember where. But yeah I did see this in the Strain Hunters documentary.

Now the real question is; what exactly caused this, and why it affects 2 strains and only 2 out of 4 clones?



Fasciation (or cresting) is a condition of plant growth in which the apical meristem, normally concentrated around a single point, producing approximately cylindrical tissue, becomes elongated perpendicularly to the direction of growth, producing flattened, ribbon-like, crested, or elaborately contorted tissue. The phenomenon may occur in the stem, root, fruit, or flower head.

Fasciation can be caused by a mutation in the meristematic cells, bacterial infection, mite or insect attack, or chemical or mechanical damage. Some plants may inherit the trait.

Fasciation is rare overall, but has been observed in at least a hundred different plant species, including members of Aloe, Celosia, Delphinium, Digitalis, Euphorbia, Forsythia, Primula, Acer, Prunus, Cannabis and many genera of Cactaceae (cactus) and Salix. Cresting results in undulating folds instead of the typical "arms" found on mature Saguaro cactus.[1] Some varieties of Celosia are raised especially for their dependably fasciated flower heads, for which they are called "cockscomb".

 

[187020]

What the hell u do to them homie ?!? Move to infirmary ?!? Peace

 

[rasputin]

Yeah, what Crusader Rabbit said. Had a Trainwreck x Princess Diesel do this too, real funky. Clones didn't do it, though, only the original plant from seed.

 

[Iron_Lion]

Ok, so now that I know what to look for it turns out a 3rd plant of mine is showing another form of fasciation, this time instead of the stem it is shown on a bud.

Weird thing is all 3 plants showing this are related to blueberry.

This is a much more common form of fasciation, Im sure most of you have seen before.

This is an Old Time Moonshine from seed. The rest of the plant is normal except for these 2 stems.

Here is another weird mutation on that same OTM plant, I wonder if this is at all realted.

Pic taken much earlier in flowering.

 

[GetUpStandUp]

Yeah, I think it could be any number of things as we humans get the same type of issues in our dna. We forget how many twins, conjioned twins, world record holders for hieght, being small, and all sorts of weird things, and since Ive been growing I only got 3 strains going at the time til I learn more, but one of my lessons was how diverse one strain can be from one mom, I thought it was where I was cutting the clones, but no clue.

So I chaulk it all up to being so diverse just like in our society, just a ride to the store at wally world can prove this some ladies I find myself appreciating just like different varieties of mj, lol call me perv, but its the only thing good bout walmart, I guess this thin stem one is equal to some middle aged lady in spandex, slippers, and bed head!

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

I've seen this in a number of woody plant species. I have a young cherry tree that did this only on branches which had been pruned. I thought it likely that some pathogen had been introduced by the cutting. I later sterilized the clippers and cut back these branches down low. The fasciation hasn't come back.

 

[Iron_Lion]

I've seen this in a number of woody plant species. I have a young cherry tree that did this only on branches which had been pruned. I thought it likely that some pathogen had been introduced by the cutting. I later sterilized the clippers and cut back these branches down low. The fasciation hasn't come back.

Very interesting. On my Trip x BB which is the most flat and mutated at the base of the plant the stem is still round, I wonder if I trimmed it back to where the stem is still round and let it veg out again if the growth would turn back to normal. The top of my TripxBB is totally retarded and I think it might be a waste to flower it and expect a good yield and normal looking buds.

 

[homebrew420]

seen this twice on 2 different strains. No rhyme or reason. Oriental Cheese from Billy Goat Seeds and a Cannatonic from Resin. OC did fine and was flowered out. We axed the Canna, for other reasons. My fellow growers had never seen or heard of that. Freaked them out pretty good.

Peace