Plants falling over...Snapping in HALF!

[LumpStatus]

Just wanted to get your guys thoughts on this. I have been running a coco setup for a while now and haven't been having any issues until the last week or so. Went into my room today to find one of my tables plants completely bent over and some of them actually snapped off completely! Two things that I would like to mention.

1. I do have fungus gnats, I know the larvae from them do cause issues with roots, but I don't know if they could cause this much damage. My pots do dry out well, should I try gnatrol?

2. I recently (1-2 weeks) started using a product called budswell, which is an organic mix of bat and seabird guano for use during flowering. Using at 1tbsp per gal for a week, week and a half or so.

I am really leaning twords the budswell causing the issues (this stuff smells like rotten eggs, hopefully that is normal). The reason is because I have never had these problems before and it seems that ever since I started using the budswell, my leaves have yellowed on all my plants and plants have become really weak.

The budswell smells bad and just realised that it has some white things floating in it.... Maybe its a bad batch

What are your thoughts?

 

[stihgnobevoli]

your plants are too top heavy, possibly the fungus gnats are making your plants weak. i forget which nutrients are responsible for the stem and branch health. also do you have a fan in your grow to move the plants so their stems grow thicker?

 

[ReeferRon]

Thats why God created bamboo stakes...

 

[FRANKENBLUNT420]

damn! fallen over and snapped! thats a crazy combination, bu it does sound like a combination of sorts.

i cnat see how a nute could do that, as fr as structural deficiencies. but i know that those gnats are a bitch to deal with. guy that i have my grow-op with had to deal with them and they didn't do anything like that, and he was literally inhaling the damned bugs which goes to show how bad the infestation was.

thats truly weird thing to happen. i'll tell you what though, that pic of the BUDSWELL you ahve is what i think i was missing from my last grow, im gonna pick up a bottle soon.

is that COCO COIR you have your plants in? ive heard that , that stuff can cause pH fluctuations and other things. so maybe it is a literal combo of things. i say maybe try a soil mix, use the coir in the new mix as an additive and not the base and maybe youll be ok?

either wy thats some shit to have to happen to anyone, i do wish you all the best. hey if anything, you can always start over from scratch

 

[Old Soul]

You have the skinny girls with big tits syndrome going on there. Tie them bitches up and show them who their Daddy is!!

 

[stihgnobevoli]

Potassium is involved in maintaining the water status of the plant and the tugor pressure of it's cells and the opening and closing of the stomata.

Potassium is required in the accumulation and translocation of carbohydrates. Lack of potassium will reduce yield and quality.


Potassium deficiency (K):
- Older leaves are initially chlorotic but soon develop dark necrotic lesions (dead tissue). First apparent on the tips and margins of the leaves.
- Stem and branches may become weak and easily broken, the plant may also stretch.
- The plant will become susceptible to disease and toxicity.
- In addition to appearing to look like iron deficiency, the tips of the leaves curl and the edges burn and die.


Potassium - Too much sodium (Na) displaces K, causing a K deficiency. Sources of high salinity are: baking soda (sodium bicarbonate "pH-up"), too much manure, and the use of water-softening filters (which should not be used). If the problem is Na, flush the soil. K can get locked up from too much Ca or ammonium nitrogen, and possibly cold weather.


Potassium (K) Toxicity: Usually not absorbed excessively by plants. Excess potassium can aggravate the uptake of magnesium, manganese, zinc and iron and effect the availability of calcium.

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[LumpStatus]

Thanks for the response guys. Glad to hear that the gnats are probably not causing the issue. I am wondering if the budswell is causing a problem with my other nutrients, possibly blocking the uptake of potassium somehow? I don't know.

I know the plant in the image is a tall lanky blue dream, and I had 32 of them on a 6x3 table and they were probably holding eachother up. The weird thing is that they were VERY strong before I started adding this stuff. Also, I would like to note that I have 16 other plants that are in 5 gallon pots of coco that also looked VERY healthy before adding this stuff, the stems at the soil line is about 1 1/2" thick on these plants. After adding the budswell for this period of time, the nice healthy branches began to bend and fall over.

I have 4 oscilating fans in the room moving air 24/7. The room is sealed and controlled by a 120 pint per day dehumidifier and a 4 ton AC. CO2 is provided by a propane burner. Have been running this setup for a while now and this is the first time this has happened. I even ran these tall lanky blue dreams last time and they did great.

Thanks for all the help guys. I am going to try an experiment. I am going to feed my plants my normal nutes (canna cogr A/B and beneficial bacteria) and take just a couple plants and feed them the budswell and see what comes of it. I will report back in a couple weeks...

 

[Pirate]

Find some "montery garden insect spray" with "Spinosad" You can mix 1 mil per gallon in some water and dump it into the pot. This will kill the Gnats.

I run it in my rez at times to kill Sprinktails and spray it on to kill Thrips.
It won't hurt the roots.

 

[LumpStatus]

Thanks for the info... I can definatley get the monterey products. Question though, I use beneficial bacteria in my coco, will this stuff kill it?

 

[Brother Bear]

i have fungus gnats for months now
i also have "montery garden insect spray" with "Spinosad"
it DOES NOT work for gnats

i hear its good for the Springtails and Thrips

 

[Pirate]

YES !!

Better to kill the bugs now (anyway you can) then to worry about the beneficials. Kill the bugs........Then re-introduce the bacteria after a good flush.

 

[Hal]

call the company up that makes Budswell and ask them if it is supposed to smell. Most bottles of stuff have 1-800 phone numbers for this very reason.

 

[Brother Bear]

Pirate i did not know it killed beneficial bacteria
you got a link or two with some more info on this for me brother ?
i would hate to think i been fudging my soiless mix up

 

[LEGI0N]

Budswell is great! It should stink.. a lot.. that's how you know it's gone bad.. when it don't stink anymore. I've used it for the last few years with great results. You still need to feed your plant, you just add it to your nutes.

You're plant is pretty lanky and should have been supported. They say if you add something like ProTek it can make the stems stronger.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

look at the plant theres obviously more going on than gnats, he added a nute with all phos and no N or K and his plants look like theyre suffering from K def. im not a mathematician but i would look there first before adding all kinds of other stuff.