redandblack303
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Has anyone ever tried using pigeon shit in there soil. I've heard that it works really well at the right dosages, but have no experience with it myself.
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Pigeon Shit?
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djam
there are tons of diseases in there ecrement , stay away .
Histoplasmosis
Histoplasmosis is a disease caused by a fungus, which grows in pigeon droppings. It also grows in soils and is found throughout the world. When cleaning droppings a person may breathe in some of the fungus, which in cases of high exposure can cause infection. Common activities, such as cleaning off windowsills, will not result in high exposures.
Symptoms of histoplasmosis begin to appear about 10 days after initial infection and include fatigue, fever, and chest pains. Most people, however, do not show any symptoms. Those with compromised immune systems such as cancer patients or people living with HIV/AIDS are generally more at risk of developing histoplasmosis. The disease cannot be transmitted from person to person.
Cryptococcosis
Cryptococcosis is another fungal disease associated with pigeon droppings and also grows in soils throughout the world. It is very unlikely that healthy people will become infected even at high levels of exposure. A major risk factor for infection is a compromised immune system. According to the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC), nearly 85 percent of cryptococcosis patients are HIV-positive.
Psittacosis
Psittacosis (also known as ornithosis or parrot fever) is a rare infectious disease that mainly affects parrots and parrot-like birds such as cockatiels, and parakeets, but may also affect other birds, such as pigeons. When bird droppings dry and become airborne people may inhale them and get sick.
In humans, this bacterial disease is characterized by: fatigue, fever, headache, rash, chills, and sometimes pneumonia. Symptoms develop about 10 days after exposure. Psittacosis can be treated with a common antibiotic.
Histoplasmosis
Histoplasmosis is a disease caused by a fungus, which grows in pigeon droppings. It also grows in soils and is found throughout the world. When cleaning droppings a person may breathe in some of the fungus, which in cases of high exposure can cause infection. Common activities, such as cleaning off windowsills, will not result in high exposures.
Symptoms of histoplasmosis begin to appear about 10 days after initial infection and include fatigue, fever, and chest pains. Most people, however, do not show any symptoms. Those with compromised immune systems such as cancer patients or people living with HIV/AIDS are generally more at risk of developing histoplasmosis. The disease cannot be transmitted from person to person.
Cryptococcosis
Cryptococcosis is another fungal disease associated with pigeon droppings and also grows in soils throughout the world. It is very unlikely that healthy people will become infected even at high levels of exposure. A major risk factor for infection is a compromised immune system. According to the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC), nearly 85 percent of cryptococcosis patients are HIV-positive.
Psittacosis
Psittacosis (also known as ornithosis or parrot fever) is a rare infectious disease that mainly affects parrots and parrot-like birds such as cockatiels, and parakeets, but may also affect other birds, such as pigeons. When bird droppings dry and become airborne people may inhale them and get sick.
In humans, this bacterial disease is characterized by: fatigue, fever, headache, rash, chills, and sometimes pneumonia. Symptoms develop about 10 days after exposure. Psittacosis can be treated with a common antibiotic.
redandblack303
Member
Thank you for your informative reply djam, it's much appreciated. I'm not necessarily worried about the rick to myself but more the benefits to my plants if any. Bat guano is also a nasty thing to work with as well, but the benefits to the plants make it needed.
a fella that wrote a nice organic gardening book , Peter Bennett , swears by pigeon manure .
As its quite strong he applies it between the rows and covers it with compost or well rotted mulch >
in the index of his book there is a page that shows the npk of most manures and compost ingredients . fresh pigeon manure comes in at N 4.19 P 2.24 K 1.41
when dried manure can contain up to 5 times more nitrogen , phosphoric acid and potash .
I d think it would be well received by your cannabis plants if applied with care and a little at a time until your sure of the strength ,
if your concerned about any risks that have been pointed out by djam ,,
simply wear gloves and work in an open well ventilated area , theres a lot of things nursery folk come into contact with that can cause harm , just use common sense and use the right safety equipment when handling potentially harmful materials .
As its quite strong he applies it between the rows and covers it with compost or well rotted mulch >
in the index of his book there is a page that shows the npk of most manures and compost ingredients . fresh pigeon manure comes in at N 4.19 P 2.24 K 1.41
when dried manure can contain up to 5 times more nitrogen , phosphoric acid and potash .
I d think it would be well received by your cannabis plants if applied with care and a little at a time until your sure of the strength ,
if your concerned about any risks that have been pointed out by djam ,,
simply wear gloves and work in an open well ventilated area , theres a lot of things nursery folk come into contact with that can cause harm , just use common sense and use the right safety equipment when handling potentially harmful materials .
I've used pigden poo before and it works great. I used to get it from a friend that had racing pigdens. I just used a shovel and scraped it up in the bird pen fresh or dry, then soaked it in water for a tea and added it to a big tub of soil,(one cubic yard bag) let dry some, when still a little moist it's ready to use.
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ZoeFresssh666
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whatever, i mean if you really plan on using it just be careful handling it because you can become VERY ill if you happen to ingest any of it. keep them hands clean!
yep no eating it redandblack ...
RustyShackelfor
New member
very bad idea.. dirty dirty birds, seriously tho dangerous, and responding above about scraping it up with a shovel, that shit gets airborne very easily contaminated it does not needed to be ingested orally to fuck you up royally. by the way anyone see the episode of house covering this exact subject, silly nyc grower using feral pigion shit from his roof and well you know how that show goes.
on the other hand i can get organic chicken farmers shit (not the farmers, the brids) for very cheap locally? anyone know much on that?
on the other hand i can get organic chicken farmers shit (not the farmers, the brids) for very cheap locally? anyone know much on that?
Racing birds, here. Poo always goes into the nearest of our five gardens during the winter. Spring thaw and rains wash it in, then it is tilled before planting. No problems with that, or the gardens with chicken poo, from when we had chickens. (Our climate is usually dry, so that could be a factor.) We don't use drugs on the birds, but i do make sure that they have AppleCiderVinegar PLUS oregano oil in their drinking water. Oregano oil is a very potent anti-microbial. If i put the manure on the garden during the growing season, it goes into the areas between plants, not directly on the root areas.
Feral pigeons may be drinking and bathing with wild birds and could be more suspect. Maybe it depends on the care that the racing birds get, too. To be competitive, these birds need to be healthy, so i feel far more safe using pigeon poops than bat guano.
That said, many of the old timers had 'pigeon lung' or 'breeders lung' as they used to call it.
If you do decide to use pigeon poops from a local racer, some people raise their birds on a lot of antibiotics, which is another thing to think about.
I may need to stop ferting the one garden that gets the pigeon droppings, as we didn't get the tomatoes to make fruit, last year. We will see how this year turns out. About ten years of pigeon clean out onto that garden, so may be time to haul the manure out to the other gardens. Grows other stuff like mad, still. Onions, rhubarb, greens.
And...i think what the birds eat may be a factor in the NPK results. Ours have been on mostly fat feed barley, some flax, and a little bit of supplemental feather enhancing commercial feed. I think that the commercial stuff is higher than most feeds in Sulphur.
Also, our gardens are pretty rich in minerals. This was virgin mixed grass prairie, with a TON of glacial dump. Never farmed. Very lacking in humus, though.
Feral pigeons may be drinking and bathing with wild birds and could be more suspect. Maybe it depends on the care that the racing birds get, too. To be competitive, these birds need to be healthy, so i feel far more safe using pigeon poops than bat guano.
That said, many of the old timers had 'pigeon lung' or 'breeders lung' as they used to call it.
If you do decide to use pigeon poops from a local racer, some people raise their birds on a lot of antibiotics, which is another thing to think about.
I may need to stop ferting the one garden that gets the pigeon droppings, as we didn't get the tomatoes to make fruit, last year. We will see how this year turns out. About ten years of pigeon clean out onto that garden, so may be time to haul the manure out to the other gardens. Grows other stuff like mad, still. Onions, rhubarb, greens.
And...i think what the birds eat may be a factor in the NPK results. Ours have been on mostly fat feed barley, some flax, and a little bit of supplemental feather enhancing commercial feed. I think that the commercial stuff is higher than most feeds in Sulphur.
Also, our gardens are pretty rich in minerals. This was virgin mixed grass prairie, with a TON of glacial dump. Never farmed. Very lacking in humus, though.
Yea,I used to keep racers and fancy pigeons,thinking about starting up again,another thing u can add to the birds water is a little garlic,acts like a tonic to the birds.i was thinking of trying the water from my turtles,put it on the plants in the garden and they took off,turtle water smells funny tho so I wouldn't put it on weed plants.76
Yah, i think the Sulphur that is in the 'feather' feed, is acutally garlic or onion. Have been building a little garlic patch...and chinese chives. But have LOTS of onions that overwinter, even here in garden zone 3.
I'm in the 'phase out' stage with the pigeons. No more breeding, as i'm old. We'll mostly just fly the older birds. Nobody in this area seems interested in the sport, so not much racing going on. I have long distance family that is later to mature, so not very good at all for the futurities. My old import hen is running out of eggs...will probably sell or retire the breeders. Hate to retire the younger males that i bought, they are just too good to sit idle. Average 500 dollar birds, one is half bro to best vs 26,000+birds. Would like to find a buyer for the property that would take over the birds, but that's going to be a difficult proposition. Not quite ready to move to town, tho. Hardly anyone likes to be this remote, but we love it.
I'm in the 'phase out' stage with the pigeons. No more breeding, as i'm old. We'll mostly just fly the older birds. Nobody in this area seems interested in the sport, so not much racing going on. I have long distance family that is later to mature, so not very good at all for the futurities. My old import hen is running out of eggs...will probably sell or retire the breeders. Hate to retire the younger males that i bought, they are just too good to sit idle. Average 500 dollar birds, one is half bro to best vs 26,000+birds. Would like to find a buyer for the property that would take over the birds, but that's going to be a difficult proposition. Not quite ready to move to town, tho. Hardly anyone likes to be this remote, but we love it.
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