Pigeon poop?

[DanTheReggaeFan]

Has anybody used pigeon poop in their gardens? I work with somebody who keeps pigeons so I have access to the poop if I need it but I'm pretty new to organics and don't really know how I would go about using it. Should I mix it in with the soil before I use it and let it cook for a couple weeks before planting or can it be top dressed, or maybe another way?

Also am I right in thinking it's like chicken poop so high in N and would be best for veg. What are the other benefits/negatives of pigeon poop? Thanks for any help.

 

[Cvh]

I haven't used it. So I have no experience with it. But I did found an interesting article about it on Google.

Pigeon droppings as fertilizer: how to use and breed, reviews

Pigeon droppings: composition, possibility of using as fertilizer. Benefits for plants. Application methods. How to apply top dressing. Reviews.

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[DanTheReggaeFan]

I haven't used it. So I have no experience with it. But I did found an interesting article about it on Google.

Pigeon droppings as fertilizer: how to use and breed, reviews

Pigeon droppings: composition, possibility of using as fertilizer. Benefits for plants. Application methods. How to apply top dressing. Reviews.

gardenlux-en.designluxpro.com

Thanks I'll give it a read

 

[Donald Mallard]

a guy who wrote an organic gardening book i have swears by the stuff , but i think you need to use it sparingly due to some pretty high nitrogen content..

 

[troutman]

All bird manures are rich so use very little.

 

[DanTheReggaeFan]

a guy who wrote an organic gardening book i have swears by the stuff , but i think you need to use it sparingly due to some pretty high nitrogen content..

Thamks I'll keep that in mind. What's the book if you don't mind me asking?

All bird manures are rich so use very little.

Will do. How much would you recommend for say a 50 litre bag of base soil?

 

[Donald Mallard]

 

[St. Phatty]

Depends on how well the birds are fed.

I have a group of 11 miniature chickens that were hatched in January. The biggest one is the size of a pigeon.

They get a combination of carbs, proteins, grains, vitamins, and Free Range food.

One of the things I like about them is that they eat Blackberry leaves. Not enough to stop the blackberries from growing, but still admirable.

If you have some pet pigeons & feed them good, their poop should be very high quality plant food.

 

[chilliwilli]

Never used that stuff but like the others said its heavy in nitrogen. Maybe your buddy has some aged stuff so the n is leached out?
I think its the same with guano, the more aged the stuff the more n is gone and mostly p is left.
When i used guano(p dominant) i mixed 1 tablespoon per 7l pot together with canna bio line and pk13/14 and got a nice flavour bump.

 

[DanTheReggaeFan]

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Thanks, I'll have a look for it.

Depends on how well the birds are fed.

I have a group of 11 miniature chickens that were hatched in January. The biggest one is the size of a pigeon.

They get a combination of carbs, proteins, grains, vitamins, and Free Range food.

One of the things I like about them is that they eat Blackberry leaves. Not enough to stop the blackberries from growing, but still admirable.

If you have some pet pigeons & feed them good, their poop should be very high quality plant food.

I'm not sure what they're fed to be honest. I'll have to ask him next time I see him.

Never used that stuff but like the others said its heavy in nitrogen. Maybe your buddy has some aged stuff so the n is leached out?
I think its the same with guano, the more aged the stuff the more n is gone and mostly p is left.
When i used guano(p dominant) i mixed 1 tablespoon per 7l pot together with canna bio line and pk13/14 and got a nice flavour bump.

Unfortunately I don't think he does have any aged stuff. He races them and isn't really a gardener so I don't think he has a reason to keep any for himself.
It was mainly the nitrogen I was thinking about with this idea anyway because I was gonna get some bat guano for the high P. Is that a good idea or am I getting ahead of myself. This will be my first time off the bottles so I still have a lot to learn.
When you added yours did you let it cook at all or just mixed and used straight away?

 

[chilliwilli]

@DanTheReggaeFan
I just mixed the guano in, replanted them and gave them a few more days veg before flip. Its some time ago but iirc i used 1/3 old soil and 2/3 of some light mix.

In your case i would dev cook the mix for some time. Not sure if u need the extra guano when u use the pp.

 

[DanTheReggaeFan]

@DanTheReggaeFan
I just mixed the guano in, replanted them and gave them a few more days veg before flip. Its some time ago but iirc i used 1/3 old soil and 2/3 of some light mix.

In your case i would dev cook the mix for some time. Not sure if u need the extra guano when u use the pp.

Ok thanks

 

[Snook]

My neighbor raced pigeons.. he would clean out his coup (a converted detached 2 car garage) in the fall.
He said, and I believe, that it was too 'hot' (acid) and it needed the winter to normalize/leach out the badness in it.
He said planting in fresh PS would cook roots and harvest would be crap. He'd put that PS in his garden bed that was adjacent to mine, divided only by a chain link 4' fence. Both gardens were turned over in the spring and for years I had biggest and best tomatoes and cucumbers that could be had.. Just my experience.. hope it can translate to your 'garden'.. good luck.

 

[St. Phatty]

The pigeon poop is a function of what the chickens are fed.

It's not like if you feed them lead, that they're going to poop Gold.

Feed them lots of Fruit, and you'll get manure higher in P and K.

But generally birds poop roughly 2-2-2, and Calcium and Sulfur.

 

[Snook]

The pigeon poop is a function of what the chickens are fed.

It's not like if you feed them lead, that they're going to poop Gold.

Feed them lots of Fruit, and you'll get manure higher in P and K.

But generally birds poop roughly 2-2-2, and Calcium and Sulfur.

Fuggin chickens! How they shittin up here in the pigeon shit thread??

 

[St. Phatty]

Fuggin chickens! How they shittin up here in the pigeon shit thread??

Where do the plants get their Magnesium ?

Neither the Pigeons nor the Chickens have access to much Magnesium.

But it's still a significant plant fertilizer.

Going off on a Tangent: Magnesium works great in Thermo-baric bombs.

 

[goingrey]

Where do the plants get their Magnesium ?

Neither the Pigeons nor the Chickens have access to much Magnesium.

But it's still a significant plant fertilizer.

Going off on a Tangent: Magnesium works great in Thermo-baric bombs.

At least chicken manure should be "complete" so it has Mg. They get it from the seeds in their diet, I would imagine, or maybe corn nowadays? What makes you say they don't have access to it?

 

[Snook]

Where do the plants get their Magnesium ?

Neither the Pigeons nor the Chickens have access to much Magnesium.

But it's still a significant plant fertilizer.

Going off on a Tangent: Magnesium works great in Thermo-baric bombs.

Donno.. whadat? Thermo-baric bomb? (shitty sumptin)

 

[St. Phatty]

At least chicken manure should be "complete" so it has Mg. They get it from the seeds in their diet, I would imagine, or maybe corn nowadays? What makes you say they don't have access to it?

The only supplement I can think of that has magnesium in significant amounts is Lime.

"In general rich sources of magnesium are greens, nuts, seeds, dry beans, whole grains, wheat germ, wheat and oat bran."

Sort of means it occurs naturally, like Uranium, but in greater amounts.

Almost implies that the De-composed granite soil where I live has a fair amount of Magnesium.

But how would you extract the Magnesium from the DG ?