picking males

[pappy masonjar]

Its crucial to THOROUGHLY dry the pollen before storing. Its a must.

Also, when looking for a male obviously, if one has resin that is definitely a good thing

and heres a pic of how i collect pollen. The pic was taken today.

 

[scoby]

pretty cool, healthy flower clusters

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Scoby

Some good tips in here bro .
That set up of Pappy`s looks good .
I cut off a flower cluster , put it in a glass of water place some aluminium foil around the mouth of the glass and arrange it under the flowers . The flowers will continue to open and release pollen for a cpl of days .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[funkfingers]

one that doesn't start to prematurely spread his seed.. Optimally one that will not open the pollen sacks ( or even show them) till 12/12 is introduced..

 

[pappy masonjar]

 

[scoby]

that should be a poster pic
very nice with pixie dust falling

 

[sweet-emotion]

Hi all, one issue...I got one Flo male that showed sex at 34 days alive outdoors (november 11th) and started opening nanners and throwing some pollen last monday (december 1st). Isn't it too early?, how long will he produce pollen?.

My plan is to open pollinate 3 female Flo plants and make some seeds for personal use, and it's my first time growing a male and I'm afraid he will stop producing pollen before the girls are ready to receive it. Is this normal?

Thanks in advance

 

[Jellyfish]

Great thread, thanks for starting it.

 

[pappy masonjar]

Yes, thats normal.

How far along do the females look? If theres any amount of flowers you will get seeds.
Plus, the males will keep growing balls and throwing pollen for a while.

Basically im trying to say your fine.


Im also curious what part of the world your in, that you have plants just starting to flower.?.

 

[sweet-emotion]

Yes, thats normal.

How far along do the females look? If theres any amount of flowers you will get seeds.
Plus, the males will keep growing balls and throwing pollen for a while.

Basically im trying to say your fine.


Im also curious what part of the world your in, that you have plants just starting to flower.?.

Hi, thanks for your reply. The females have 6 to 8 pairs of hairs more or less. I think they'll start flowering in mid January or maybe before, as did the 3 Flo girls I had last year (which started the last days of December, also outdoors in pots). I'm in Argentina, and the plants are exposed to 10 or 11 hours of direct sunlight. I don't know why they start flowering so early, because February would be the right thing I guess. There were few exceptions (2 Colombian sativa females I grew in 2011 and last year's WW - which started flowering in February). The other 25 plants I've grown -in pots- so far, started flowering in late December and January. The ones I put in soil started by mid-february more or less, or even later.

 

[scoby]

killing them softly......
8 males selected for public execution
death by creek abolishment
yes they will be dead before spreading

 

[Jellyfish]

Thank you for your service, boys!

 

[Mate Dave]

I would say that the only real blatant obvious visual expression a male phenotype shows as to weather or not it is a breeding contender is an appearance of resin and most important the flower-time/critical daylight sensitivity, there is no way you want to use an auto-flowering male for parenting a dioecious line.

You would use female pollen for auto-flowering variety's once plants possessing the trait are isolated and cubed to the respective females.

Super early males might be of no use but they might be most use-full in breeding land race cannabis.

Planting out a second seed batch would allow farmers first sowing's to grow on and be weeded out of males thus facilitating a higher biomass for seed production in the specimen females and would further allow farmers to concentrate on one early breed and yet have multiple harvests with bigger females from first sowing's all the way down to a mass plantation of smaller plants of later sowing's to alleviating pressure on the main crop.

Random pollination in the later crops of the same breed would increase diversity and allow a certain amount of line progression allowing all unwanted phenotypes to be pulled from even more selection in the field.

This method is mainly used by farmers of pure breeding cannabis variety's, the amount of seed or cannabis plants needed to keep the line pure and produce for the next season will dictate the cultural conditions.

When these first sowing females are given space to grow after pulling the males farmers can get a sinsemilla harvest.

They generally pull everything but the biggest and best plants from a plot giving them room and more nutriment to grow big, they take cuttings and have a pollen source planned for the best plants from the year in a separate plot.

 

[Kalbhairav]

Males hold many genes which aren't apparent from appearance. You may find an amazing 'looking' male which actually breeds very badly. Regardless of smell, resin production etc males can be tricky. The argument of using more than one male/pollen donor in any cross has its advantages if wanting to preserve the line to reduce bottlenecking further down line breeding. You might have to select through more individuals but you'll have more chance of hitting the jackpot with varied pollen donors. Tom Hill of course is the man with the maths who says this method is superior to just a one on one crossing. Even if there's a male that is showing horrible traits it doesn't mean that the progeny will turn out the same.

I say choose the best one or two females because this you can be more sure of and pollinate these with three or four males and you have less chance of missing out on your valued traits and genes.

Having said all this DJ Short has managed to breed some very unique varietals from choosing males from external traits. I know though that both Tom Hill and Chimera would disagree with some of the finer points of his methods.

Whichever method you choose make sure you have fun doing it.

Enjoy

 

[scoby]

Thank you for your service, boys!

yeah, I just cant see throwing them in a dumpster nor putting them into the burn barrel, so back to nature they go. Spade shovel to sever the root mass from the rest of the plant, and then a good drowning down the creek, hope the fish like them. Today the executions continue, two more plants have shown signs of bb clusters, along with the 10 corresponding clones that got taken with them. Under a 60x scope there sure was alot of resin on them, also with a great nose. You will be missed, goodbye males

 

[scoby]

I would say that the only real blatant obvious visual expression a male phenotype shows as to weather or not it is a breeding contender is an appearance of resin and most important the flower-time/critical daylight sensitivity, there is no way you want to use an auto-flowering male for parenting a dioecious line.

You would use female pollen for auto-flowering variety's once plants possessing the trait are isolated and cubed to the respective females.

Super early males might be of no use but they might be most use-full in breeding land race cannabis.

Planting out a second seed batch would allow farmers first sowing's to grow on and be weeded out of males thus facilitating a higher biomass for seed production in the specimen females and would further allow farmers to concentrate on one early breed and yet have multiple harvests with bigger females from first sowing's all the way down to a mass plantation of smaller plants of later sowing's to alleviating pressure on the main crop.

Random pollination in the later crops of the same breed would increase diversity and allow a certain amount of line progression allowing all unwanted phenotypes to be pulled from even more selection in the field.

This method is mainly used by farmers of pure breeding cannabis variety's, the amount of seed or cannabis plants needed to keep the line pure and produce for the next season will dictate the cultural conditions.

When these first sowing females are given space to grow after pulling the males farmers can get a sinsemilla harvest.

They generally pull everything but the biggest and best plants from a plot giving them room and more nutriment to grow big, they take cuttings and have a pollen source planned for the best plants from the year in a separate plot.

I ended up keeping the mother and one clone from it, it displayed the most pure indica and robust growth, biggest stalk/branches,quickest to pod up, largest sacs, biggest fattest maple leaf, smelled strong, and healthy thick resin. It was by far the most prenounced male and strongest plant of them all.

 

[scoby]

Males hold many genes which aren't apparent from appearance. You may find an amazing 'looking' male which actually breeds very badly. Regardless of smell, resin production etc males can be tricky. The argument of using more than one male/pollen donor in any cross has its advantages if wanting to preserve the line to reduce bottlenecking further down line breeding. You might have to select through more individuals but you'll have more chance of hitting the jackpot with varied pollen donors. Tom Hill of course is the man with the maths who says this method is superior to just a one on one crossing. Even if there's a male that is showing horrible traits it doesn't mean that the progeny will turn out the same.

I say choose the best one or two females because this you can be more sure of and pollinate these with three or four males and you have less chance of missing out on your valued traits and genes.

Having said all this DJ Short has managed to breed some very unique varietals from choosing males from external traits. I know though that both Tom Hill and Chimera would disagree with some of the finer points of his methods.

Whichever method you choose make sure you have fun doing it.

Enjoy

the females ill wait to decide on after flowering 100%
thanks u

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

How about turning the male into a female to judge the traits he will be passing?
Use Ethephon spray it is easy, I have a post somewhere on this site how to use it.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=99597

-SamS

 

[Kalbhairav]

Thanks Sam..

 

[Mate Dave]

Good point, your thread is legendary Sam. I think that breeding Dioeciously matters little on the male (Staminate Plant) chosen, when compared to breeding females (Pistillate Plants) 1-1.


Dioecious 1-1 matings with the correct male & female will allow line performance like Skunk #1. What do you think??