Picking a mom

[Guest]

Would you say that its unfair to select a mother off the inital seed to flower results?

Meaning - should the results from the flowerd plants be enough of an indicator of one pheno's supiority to the others in the group.

Word problem.
12 seeds sprouted.
Pheno "X" seams to be the keeper from the results of the first seed to bud grow.
You have clones of all seeds sprouted.
Is there chance for another pheno to show superiority in the next flowered clone batch.


Does this happen?
Or does a true keeper always show its stuff right off the bat like a real winner should?

I'm currently doing some strain searching and if in fact you dont get the full aspect of a strian in its firt harvest and have to do a seccond clone run to check for sleepers well thats twice the time ive got to spend searching for moms. I spent the money now i wanna do this right!

 

[fjällhöga]

personally for me , i choose my keeper after having smoked up the second batch of clones with some other pot - snobs , its hard to jugde his own work alone ....

Fj

 

[Capt. Crip]

You can get a general idea of the plants from the first seed batch...At least enough of an idea to know which ones deserve a second run in clone form..
The standouts will show themselves if you have a decerning palate..
Try each individual as your first smoke of the day and then try another individual the next day as your first smoke..This will give a fair playing field to the individual plants..
Take care and grow safe.................................CC

 

[Guest]

Capt crip, Thanks the awncer was simple enough , i feel slow not thinking of that my self as it seams only logical.

But always good to hear it from the experienced. Thanks!

 

[Brastaman]

Make sure the desirable characteristics that are chosen are not due to environmental conditions.
If you have clones and each harvest a new "trait" is exhibited then it might not be genetics; it could be from the environment.
clones should reveal the same characteristics as the last clone; assuming they are the same clone.

 

[Guest]

Except i'm talking about maturation being the main effect in change in the plants characteristics. Ie seed planted and flowered @ week 6, the plants clone could possibly preform much better in the following run as a clone carries on the identical genetic information from its mother therfore when it reaches the flower room it may be at 18 weeks veg, causting sexual maturation yeilding possible yet to be seen positive traits.


Thankd for your reply tho Brastaman, information noted.

 

[Elevator Man]

My purple Flo had a terrible time growing from seed - admittedly I hacked off many cuttings, but it was always getting brown-spotted leaves, which withered early, and was way under yield.
However, I wasn't convinced it was dodgy, and many of the clones showed much better health than the mother. I picked the best of ten for my new clone mother, and so far it doesn't show any of the problems the parent had. So I suspect there is something in this - namely that the healthiest branch on any plant should produce a healthier, stronger clone than a shittier branch - my tests bear this out.

As for the vigour of the clones on the second grow, check out the post I just placed in the Growers Forum...

 

[Brastaman]

sorry man; still do not understand.

A cutting should be identical to the plant it came from; regardless of how long it is in vegetation for or for how many generations it is grown. For example, if you grow a plant from seed and the next three generations you grow a clone of the original plant there should be little, if any, differences between dem plants. If there are differences then something else is happening around the plant or what yer feeding it.

I'm trying to understand.
Love.

 

[Guest]

"For example, if you grow a plant from seed and the next three generations you grow a clone of the original plant there should be little, if any, differences between dem plants."

I was just seeing if anyone ever noticed thease possible little changes to make any noticible diffrence in the end product. Enough to change their mind about a perticular pheno's superority.

 

[Brastaman]

oh yup. I understand now. cool.

 

[beancounter]

I usualy start with 5-10 seeds of each strain, if I get 5 females, I'd usualy pick the best 2 (from 1st grow smoke) or 3, grow them again once, then pick my fave. Altho I have grown out 3-4 of one strain over 3 times to find a mum, as the plants were so uniform in goodyness.

And Brastaman, I understand what you're saying. This is best shown in the difference between the same strain grown in mid summer indoors, and mid winter indoors. Unless you have phat A/C and ventilation, heaters, timers, etc. and have completely dialed in you're grow to maintain a constant temp/enviro all year round you are gonna see some phenotypical differences. In the average grow this means denser buds and plants, with more resin in the winter, and the opposite in summer, spring and fall may be the same and in between the winter and summer grows.

Sometimes stresses like res temps, not enough nutes, too much nutes, not enough light, too cold, too hot can all cause probs that can hide a plants true potential. And that's why most growers will grow a few gens of each pheno before deciding on keeping it.

With that being said, even with phenotypical differences from enviro and such you should be able to decide on whether you should cull it from the pack or not. Because the taste and potency doesn't change as much with the phenotraits like density and yeild, well, IME anyways. I

 

[Guest]

Thanks - all the opinois from people that have already had to think there way threw this situation - was all i was looking for and yall pulled threw again! thanks !

 

[tubut kind]

Always allow 2 -4 cloning before your final opinion on whether to keep or toss.
Many plants won't reach full potential just thru a seed to flower cycle.

In my case i look for flavor, potency, tolerance, smell,trichome production, yeild, ease of grow to determine my keepers. But everyone has there own testing methods.

 

[Guest]

In my case i look for flavor, potency, tolerance, smell,trichome production, yeild, ease of grow to determine my keepers.

... now only if eveystrain had all those. The god bud i got going it looking supurb.

But its always interesting hearing good points on both sides of the topic, Anyone else?