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Phylloxera information - aka root mites aka root aphids
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kushism
Member
Happiness is being aphid free 
Happiness is being aphid free
Ok I am happy to report that 3 days after applying the imid i am aphid free.. Stuff works like a charm.. the few plants that had been severely affected are all showing new root and leaf growth..
Take that root aphids
Now back to being a happy gardener with a very happy garden..
Thanks for the helpful info.. will report back if things change..
Happiness is being aphid free
Ok I am happy to report that 3 days after applying the imid i am aphid free.. Stuff works like a charm.. the few plants that had been severely affected are all showing new root and leaf growth..
Take that root aphids
Now back to being a happy gardener with a very happy garden..
Thanks for the helpful info.. will report back if things change..
southpaw76
Member
Great thread guys. This is actually the most informative thread I have found on this subject. And yes, I too am fighting these little bastards as we speak. I bought a bottle of the Bayer Tree and Shrub and I wanted to use it like sarek recommended. However, I have plants in three different stages of growth. Newly rooted cuts in 16oz cups which have the worst case. I have plants in 2gal containers which are almost ready to go into flower. Finally I have plants in 3gal cont. 30 days into flower.
The cuts in the 16oz cups are the ones that have it the worst. But I was gonna treat all the plants including the ones 30 days into flower. My obvious concern is, would it be safe to treat the ladies in flower with this product or should I just leave those alone. Thanks in advance people.
sp76
The cuts in the 16oz cups are the ones that have it the worst. But I was gonna treat all the plants including the ones 30 days into flower. My obvious concern is, would it be safe to treat the ladies in flower with this product or should I just leave those alone. Thanks in advance people.
sp76
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Shan Diego
They use it regularly on lettuce and tobacco...so you can eat it immediately or dry it out and smoke it. Hit the wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imidacloprid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imidacloprid
kushism
Member
From everything i can gather from the wiki, the merit label, and this forum, this stuff is safe unless you ingest it in large amounts. As long as you are following the instructions on the bottle, or use Sarek's recipe to a T, and you should be good.
As far as using it on flowering ladies.. i feel your nervousness.. A partner was in the same situation.. He used merit, and we are waiting to see the results.. i am willing to bet that if you use the concentration suggested on the bottle or lower concentrations, that it is safe for flowering ladies..
Sarek said:
Personally I used merit, 3 1/2 teaspoons in my 35 gallon res. and ran the drip sys, and also handwatered from the same res to ensure full soaking. I noticed nothing living in there, crawling or flying after 24 hours. 14 days later and still no signs of anything alive, and nothing dead draining
into the resi anymore.. Plants have all put on 6"s of growth, and all the brown roots have been replaced with beautiful white healthy roots.. Now i can Flower.. what a relief
Imid works very very well..
Peace
Good Luck
southpaw76
Member
Yeah, I have already applied one feeding to all my vegging plant, seedlings and rooted cuts at 1tsp per gal. I got about 5 weeks left on my flowering plants so I will give them a feeding at 1tsp per gal as well. Thanks again guys, I was going nuts there for a bit. If it wasn't for this thread I would have pulled the rest of my hair out 
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sp76
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MJane'spoontang
Member
I recently had a pretty bad infestation. sucked ass. Finally just had to take clones and start over, good to go now though.
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Greyskull
Just thought i'd bump this thread with some new info. I actually have some winged aphids in my place but they look completely dif from the non winged ones. In addition to most people having both pests, this is why most people think they have fungus gnats when they have Aphids/Root Aphids. Mines look like this:
Photo courtesy of the uc davis pest management site
fuck I thought I had fungus gnats....
so I scored some Merit 75 WP from my friend, but he ripped off the part of the label with the dosage instructions (its hanging in his grow room...) and doesn't remember the dosage he used.
For those of you that have used the MERIT 75 WP successfully, what was the dosage??? In this thread have seen 1 gram per 5g, 1.2 grams for 5g, 1 teaspoon per 10g, and 1 teaspoon per gallon.... obviously its caused some confusion haha
thanks for the help
edit: i found the merit 75 wp details online here: http://www.gainvasives.org/hwa/merit.pdf
page 4 details 1tsp/10g....
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Great info guys way to not let anything beat you down!! 
Headed to the store now for the Bayer Tree & Shrub gonna kill those f**kers once and for all! Heres a link that migh be helpful!
http://www.bghydro.com/BGH/itemdesc.asp?iC=PCBTS32
Headed to the store now for the Bayer Tree & Shrub gonna kill those f**kers once and for all! Heres a link that migh be helpful! http://www.bghydro.com/BGH/itemdesc.asp?iC=PCBTS32
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Greyskull
alrighty here's a wee bit of an update.
on the 15th i dropped an Attain TR fogger in my veg room to drop the pestering flying fuckers. worked great. little dead fuckers everywhere. thats gave me to time to properly identify (great thread here THANK YOU) and and react effectively.
last night/this morning (it was 2am when I did the drenching fwiw haha) i mixed up 15g of water + 1.5 teaspoons (15ml) of merit 75 wp, stirred like a mad man, and proceeded to drench my plants... which are in 8"/1.75g pots of coco. I fed each plant 2 passes of 3/4L (so 1.5L per plant total). second pass about 15/20 minutes after the first, and achieved about 35% runoff. i checked my girls this afternoon when i woke up, and all the vegging girls were bright eyed and bushy tailed and there was a tray full of dead fucking buggers that needs to be sanatized in the very near future.
i'll be sure to update this thread with results as my crop matures.
thanks
on the 15th i dropped an Attain TR fogger in my veg room to drop the pestering flying fuckers. worked great. little dead fuckers everywhere. thats gave me to time to properly identify (great thread here THANK YOU) and and react effectively.
last night/this morning (it was 2am when I did the drenching fwiw haha) i mixed up 15g of water + 1.5 teaspoons (15ml) of merit 75 wp, stirred like a mad man, and proceeded to drench my plants... which are in 8"/1.75g pots of coco. I fed each plant 2 passes of 3/4L (so 1.5L per plant total). second pass about 15/20 minutes after the first, and achieved about 35% runoff. i checked my girls this afternoon when i woke up, and all the vegging girls were bright eyed and bushy tailed and there was a tray full of dead fucking buggers that needs to be sanatized in the very near future.
i'll be sure to update this thread with results as my crop matures.
thanks
kushism
Member
Nice!! Glad you were able to take effective action early enough.. Imid is good stuff for these bastards, and merit works fast!! It's incredible how much better your plants will look just after 1 treatment, and it's disgusting how many bugs will get rinsed out.. Good Deal!! Please update when ya can
mrgreengenes1
New member
Hi,
If you guys are having problems with phylloxera you should look up grape info because that is a big problem in Napa Valley Grapes. I think they have burned whole Vineyards because of phylloxera. They plant back with more resistant varieties in the vineyards. Make sure that is your pest first, correct indentification is the first step. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phylloxera
If you guys are having problems with phylloxera you should look up grape info because that is a big problem in Napa Valley Grapes. I think they have burned whole Vineyards because of phylloxera. They plant back with more resistant varieties in the vineyards. Make sure that is your pest first, correct indentification is the first step. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phylloxera
kushism
Member
There has been a lot of time and discussion in this thread just to make it easier to identify these nasty bugs, and even more helpful info dealing with treatments. I know for 100% certainty that i was dealing with phylloxera.. i was able to identify via this thread, and find the appropriate treatment.
Thanks for the additional info, thats pretty harsh, and i had no idea that they would torch entire fields.. LOL a little imid and the vineyards would be safe.. LOL
mrgreengenes1
New member
Hi Again,
Just wanted to add the following: I have been using Imidacloprid for years in my wholesale nursery and it is a systemic insecticide. That means the plant takes it up into the tissue and anything feeding on the tissue for the next 90 days dies. You might want to think about that timing before you apply it to your buds. Dispite what wikipedia says Imidacloprid (and the other neonicotinoids) have been linked to a host of problems like Asthma, Thyroid disorders and more. Anyway I know you guys are trying to keep your heads above water but think about your application timing of this chemical.
Just wanted to add the following: I have been using Imidacloprid for years in my wholesale nursery and it is a systemic insecticide. That means the plant takes it up into the tissue and anything feeding on the tissue for the next 90 days dies. You might want to think about that timing before you apply it to your buds. Dispite what wikipedia says Imidacloprid (and the other neonicotinoids) have been linked to a host of problems like Asthma, Thyroid disorders and more. Anyway I know you guys are trying to keep your heads above water but think about your application timing of this chemical.
kushism
Member
i think everyone who used imid in this thread has sampled. I have sampled buds treated @ 4 1/2 weeks out of an 8 week flower.. NO NEGATIVE EFFECTS.. BUDS STILL TASTED, SMELLED, SMOKED, AND LOOKED THE SAME.. I AM NOT ALL TWITCHY OR DROOLING RETARDED.. I DIDN'T MYSTERIOUSLY DEVELOP ASTHMA, OR HAVE MY THYROID GO APESHIT..
if used right, this product is safe...
LoL rats and dogs fed over 5000 mg of the stuff a day only had issue's and symptoms relating to nicotine poisoning.. It was @ dosages over 5000mg a day(which is a ridiculous concentration) that other various issue's were seen.. there will be no where near those levels of imid in your plants if you use as directed or a lower ratio..
So i have sampled imid treated buds, they were just as good as non treated...
if used right, this product is safe...
LoL rats and dogs fed over 5000 mg of the stuff a day only had issue's and symptoms relating to nicotine poisoning.. It was @ dosages over 5000mg a day(which is a ridiculous concentration) that other various issue's were seen.. there will be no where near those levels of imid in your plants if you use as directed or a lower ratio..
So i have sampled imid treated buds, they were just as good as non treated...
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Shan Diego
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We're back!
FYI...I had treated a mom and I had assumed that the Imidacloprid would be present in her clones in high enough concentrations to ward off critters. This was not the case. They ended up with root aphids. Moral of the story, I am going to treat my clones with this, even though I had previously treated the mom. I couldn't find any references to propagation in the literature...now I have anecdotal evidence of my own.
Good luck to you all.
We're back!
FYI...I had treated a mom and I had assumed that the Imidacloprid would be present in her clones in high enough concentrations to ward off critters. This was not the case. They ended up with root aphids. Moral of the story, I am going to treat my clones with this, even though I had previously treated the mom. I couldn't find any references to propagation in the literature...now I have anecdotal evidence of my own.
Good luck to you all.
