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Pheno nightmares

HalfPipe97

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Ahoi fellow members!

I was wondering if anybody ever had some really bad luck with phenos from the same cultivar or even the same bag/container of weed? I'm not sure if it's ok to name breeders when it comes to negative feedback here, so I will keep it vague at first, but if it's ok to drop names I might edit or add another post.

My current seeds came from a Dutch breeder, popped 5 seeds of the same strain and 1 of a different strain. The 5 are meant to be mostly Sativa at around 70%. What I got were 4 short, bushy indica looking plants and one that seems to have the motto "sky is the limit". The second variety which is supposed to be more on the indica side, kept up pretty good with the long stretching pheno. Since I dislike topping, I instead kept the veg short enough at 22 days, although that was not ideal for the shorter plants. At least 2 of the short ones did grow a bit taller by now (day 17 of flower) and the others were now elevated by a staple of old cannabis mags. For a while it seemed as if the long stretcher would become too tall for my tent (180 cm height minus fan, filter size and minimum distance to LED of 30cm), but seems I was able to tame it by now and still have around 30cm height left.


p.s. I hope there aren't any similiar threads, otherwise feel free to move this one.
 

Creeperpark

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Ahoi fellow members!

I was wondering if anybody ever had some really bad luck with phenos from the same cultivar or even the same bag/container of weed? I'm not sure if it's ok to name breeders when it comes to negative feedback here, so I will keep it vague at first, but if it's ok to drop names I might edit or add another post.

My current seeds came from a Dutch breeder, popped 5 seeds of the same strain and 1 of a different strain. The 5 are meant to be mostly Sativa at around 70%. What I got were 4 short, bushy indica looking plants and one that seems to have the motto "sky is the limit". The second variety which is supposed to be more on the indica side, kept up pretty good with the long stretching pheno. Since I dislike topping, I instead kept the veg short enough at 22 days, although that was not ideal for the shorter plants. At least 2 of the short ones did grow a bit taller by now (day 17 of flower) and the others were now elevated by a staple of old cannabis mags. For a while it seemed as if the long stretcher would become too tall for my tent (180 cm height minus fan, filter size and minimum distance to LED of 30cm), but seems I was able to tame it by now and still have around 30cm height left.


p.s. I hope there aren't any similiar threads, otherwise feel free to move this one.
It's okay to tell the truth about having a problem with someone's gear. If the breeder doesn't know it, "he or she" can learn from the post too. It could have just been a mislabeling mistake and can be fixed easily. I would think any breeder or seed vendor would want to know their stuff is not up to par. and fix it. If not then don't do business with them again.

However keep in mind, it could be someone down the line is ripping off the original seeds and putting in rag seeds to replace the good ones. That way one can get a double or triple amount of profit. Thanks for the post.
 

Lester Beans

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Without knowing the strain it is hard to say. These days people describe cannabis differently than in the past. I have read breeder descriptions say "mostly Sativa" on girl scout cookies ffs.

Even if one of the parents was a narrow leaf plant the Dutch breeders would select towards the broadleaf side to reduce flower times and gain yield. So the 70% Sativa may be the case but they selected towards the 30% indica.

Also some narrow leaf plants start out with wider leaves and grow into the narrow blades. Also some indicas have narrower blades as well.

Everything is a hybrid of a hybrid of a hybrid these days so I would grow them out and see what you get. The effect may be mostly sativa despite the appearance of the leaves.

Feel free to name the strain as I'm curious now..
 

Ca++

Well-known member
At this point, they should really change the name. A 2.0 ought to cover it. It rarely happens though. Lots of names are kept, while the plants are changed. Names carry a reputation, that often a breeder doesn't want to loose. Even though they don't actually have the plants anymore. It's rather shitty. We bought a weight of outdoor seeds, only to find the same thing.

They will switch it again now, and get you to grow it out and let them know. Like you are part of their team. You should be paid, not paying.

Regardless, Dutch Passion remains one of my choice breeders. It's what we have to put up with.
 

HalfPipe97

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Edit before I can't access this anymore - since pictures would stay after I delete account
 
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