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pH meter care

phillykid

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I was looking around for reviews on different pH meters and noticed that there are very mixed reviews for a lot of different meters. I work in a science lab and use pH meters on a regular basis and noticed that some people with non working meters are probably not caring for them properly.

There are several types of pH electrodes. The ones suitable for hydroponics use are probably double junction type as organics, proteins, high sodium conc, etc damage the single junction type.

Never store the pH meter in distilled water or low ion water. It leaches out the ions in the probe and degrades it. You can store in tap water for short term, but it's probably better to store it in 4.0 calibration solution. 7.0 can also be used but I think 4.0 is better (or buy storage solution). Place a few drops of 4.0 solution in the cap and cap it.

Don't wipe the glass bulb (I saw someone mention cleaning it with a toothbrush... :nono: ) Proper way is to rinse quickly with distilled or tap water, and blot the end (best to use optic paper, paper for cleaning eye glasses) gently, don't wipe, it scratches the glass bulb.

Calibrate using at least 2 solutions that bracket the reading you're trying to get (4.0 and 7.0 for us since you're probably measuring to 5.X)

Don't let the probe dry.
When you first get the meter you need to condition the probe. If you let it dry you need to recondition the probe.
place the electrode in either
4 molar KCl (probably don't have this at home)
4.01 or 7.0 calibration solution for 1 hour or overnight

It's a good idea to get some litmus paper and check the calibration solutions from time to time cause they can get contaminated. Pour the solution into another small container with a screw on cap and use that for calibration so you don't contaminate the whole bottle. You can reuse calibration solution a few times as long as your careful to rinse with deionized water and blot clean each time and you cap the used solution to make it air tight. Try to keep those solutions at RT (about 20 C)

For those with slow reading or non working meters, try to recondition it, it might perk up.
 

PharmaCan

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phillykid - Good advice! Thanks!!!

I've been keeping my Milwaukee meter in storage solution, but I just noticed that my calibrating solutions have degraded a tad and the bottles are more than 1/2 full. I'm thinking I'll start using the 4.0 solution for storage instead of buying separate storage solution. Is the calibrating solution as good for storage as storage solution, or is it a less preferable option?

PC
 

BudLove

Member
Excellent info Philly!

There is nothing worse than having a pH/EC meter go shit-dead or worse, act like everything is fine but be giving off totally fucked up readings.

Here are my .02 to help as well:

Dont bother with cleaning solution - as stated before put under running tap water for a few seconds, moving around in the stream. If you have gunk up near the probe use a can of compressed air to blast it out then rinse again

Dont bother with storage solution - as previously stated use 4.01...

Keep a glass of water next to your rez - everytime you finish taking readings just dip the probe in the water to rinse off the nutrient solution (changing water weekly works fine for me)

NEVER drop the entire thing in the water - even though most are 'water resistant' they are not truly water proof. I can't tell ya how many Growchek's I've had go to shit because they got wet inside and began leaking

I'm also totally anal when calibrating my pen... I use a shot glass and first rinse the probe with just a tiny bit of the solution over the glass...then shake the glass to coat and dump...then add solution to glass and insert pen to calibrate... this way, there's nothing in there but true 7.01 or 4.01 solution.

I also clean and calibrate my pen every 30 days... been workin great for many moons this way.

I know I know....probably total overkill for the application I'm using it for - but hey, my ladies deserve the very best! :)
 
very great info i agree on everything.

I did mention about the toothbrush. I was told to do that by my dro store guy and not only that i've purchase the bluelab ph cleaning kit which comes with a "toothbrush" and a probe cleaning tool that fits perfectly on your glass and you just kinda twist it back and forth. They too are the only company i know that educate people about calibrating with 4.0 and 7.0 solution(i've got mmilwaukee and hanna).
 

Kenny Lingus

Active member
Hmmm, this was strange. I read a lot of different molar storage stuff. 3molar, K3molar and now 4molar!!?! What is the thing. Growth Technologies sell storage solution called 3molar kcl. It dries out fast in the cap and end up leaving a crystalline residue or salt.

Blue lab even have a toothbrush, scruddong cream and a spongy thing in their maintennance kits and I see thay have a huge range of meters and probes for any thinkable situation... (Are they basically way of as they also don't follow up on warranty replacement of probes)???
 

phillykid

Member
Pharma: 4.0 or 4.01 should be fine for storage, science manuals I've used say it's okay. Check the pH of the calibration solution with pH strips (you can get them in aquarium section of wal mart or pet stores. Just pour from the bottle to a small glass to calibrate so you aren't constantly opening them and chance contaminating them.

Molarity is just a designation of concentration used for science applications. It's based off the number of molecules in solution rather than weight, kind of like how we use dozen. 12 feathers and 12 steel bars are both 1 dozen but the grams would be very different.

1M solution of KCl is about 74grams KCl in 1 liter so 3 M would be 222g/L. That's a lot to dissolve. A fully saturated solution of KCl is about 4.2moles. As temps decrease the solubility decreases and it comes out of solution. The salt is fine, should rinse off easily. You can use the 4.0 solution for storage, or keep the meter somewhere a little warmer. If the probe is dried out follow the above tip for reconditioning before calibration.

If the brush is included it's probably fine and has very soft bristles, use it if you absolutely have too but I'd rather not chance scratching the bulb. It's probably better to run some water over the bulb right after using it so there's no build up that would require scrubbing.

peace
 

Kenny Lingus

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It's a regular jordan kiddie brush, and I use it mostly to scrub the contact ring. I hate my BlueLab pH-truncheon and stick to using the simple remote probed Milwaukee unit. Them Milwaukee guys have replaced 2 probes even though I've had them dry out and stored them under sub-optimal conditions. BlueLab concluded that my 6months old probe was used thoughtlessly and denied replacing anythin. (They recommend daily calibrations -or at each use- and the stick will alert for re-calibration after about 4-5days. Even if only used twice a week it will ask for re-calibration. This company have even written in the warranty section that the meter is not to be used in colored colutions or when dissolved solids are present!!! What are they supposed to be used for then!?! Treated water!?!?
Milwaukee meters of my type, SM 302 or something, never ask for anything and stay damn stable throughout several grows. I re-calibrate both EC/pH between every cycle though and rarely need to adjust anything.

I'll try to take better care of the probes from now on. Nice to know that deionized solutions are not the right thing to store in.

PS! My GT storage solution says also it is probe-refill solution. What is this actually for then? (I also have a cleaning solution from them that are to be used for overnight soaks. Dunno what it is though...)
 

phillykid

Member
Refill solution might not be applicable for you. Some pH electrodes are filled with liquid reference solution, there's a rubber stopper on the electrode that you open when measuring. Gel type electrodes don't have em. If you don't have the rubber stopper then you probably don't need to refill.

1M HCl is 1 Molar HCl, it's a measure of concentration. 1M HCl is fairly dilute. 10% is about 2.8M. If you're having issues with the meter or there's residue you can't get off with water it might help to use it but I've always just used distilled water to clean (not store) in the lab. Difference though is that nute solutions have proteins, and sometimes organics which are harder to get off, in the lab we just make simple salt solutions which are easier to clean.

Keep the HCl away from bleach (might not matter cause the HCl is so dilute) but HCl + bleach can produce chlorine gas which is poisonous.
 

MPL

Member
hey good thread. You have brand recommendations for general use? I'm not interested in the lab quality units that cost $500+ like ISFET meters etc. :D
 

csharper

Member
phillykid, I have always been confused about the "couple drops" in the cap. If the thing is never supposed to be dry, and always immersed in ionic solution, my thinking was that I better fill up the cap halfway (~10 drops?) such that the probe tip is completely surrounded. Overkill/waste of solution? I have a milwaukee pen for what its worth.
 

MPL

Member
I was told to put a clean bit of kitchen sponge into the bottom of the cap and put about a teaspoon or so of solution into the cap.

csharper said:
phillykid, I have always been confused about the "couple drops" in the cap. If the thing is never supposed to be dry, and always immersed in ionic solution, my thinking was that I better fill up the cap halfway (~10 drops?) such that the probe tip is completely surrounded. Overkill/waste of solution? I have a milwaukee pen for what its worth.
 

Kenny Lingus

Active member
phillykid said:
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Keep the HCl away from bleach (might not matter cause the HCl is so dilute) but HCl + bleach can produce chlorine gas which is poisonous.


Thanx for all help Phillykid! Is this chlorine gas release the same reason for not mixing chlorides and hydrogen peroxide in general?!?

Kenny
 

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