PBP&CalMag ???

[Guest]

High folks
I have a few questions pertaining to my fertilizers.
Ive been using PBP to the ratio as follows:
1 Fl oz per gallon(both veg and bloom)
I also add Liquid Karma:
1\2 fl oz per gallon.

I just recently purchased some CalMag and need to know how I can add it in to my current mix without hurting anything. Do I change my current doses downward to compensate for the adding of calmag?

And my second q is...I also picked up some 'budswell' Bat guano as a bloom booster. Im not to sure as to how much to add with my current regiment of PBP&LK&Calmag.

Does anyone care to take a stab?
I know the guano and calmag can be very harmful if overdone....but the directions on both say nothing about using as an additive.

Does anyone have the same feeding regiment (or close) as mine that could help a brotha out?

 

[Guest]

wow....did i post in the wrong forum?

No one can help?

 

[chuckyoufarley]

El magnifico sup mang ,i use the PBP and the LQ and the CAL MAG but i use them in a DWC system
on my cal mag bottle for soil it says to use in every watering with a standard fert ,so i think your ok
at my other grow i do use soil but i only use the liquid guano and neptunes fish not my PBP or the rest

 

[sunnyside]

El...are you in soil or hydro?

Either way the cal mag at dosage recomended will work fine. Mix up your pbp and lk like you normally would, then add the cal-mag on top of it...ph then go.

I probably wouldn't recomend budswell in hydro...but in soil it fukin rocks!! If you have the liquid you can just incorporate it into your feeding program... just mix up your pbp,lk and cm as normal, then add the budswell to the mix. pH the solution then your ready to go. If you have the dry guano you can either mix it in with the soil or make a tea...the tea is messy and smelly and time consuming, but it works really well. Do a search on organic teas and see what you come up with. I've heard that a good mix is budswell, subculture and catalyst from EJ. Hope this helps...

 

[Coco Nuts]

Alright, I'll bite. From my bottles and mixing to 1 gallon of 0 r/o I get:
30ml PBPG = 3600us
30ml PBPB = 2850us
15ml Karma = 600us
5ml Cal-Mag = 475us

Your current regime (assuming your bottles have similar readings and you use r/o water) has you watering with an EC of about 4.2 veg 3.5 bloom. This doesn't include Cal-Mag.

How often are you feeding with this? How much runoff? Light intensity? Perhaps I put too much faith in a TDS pen and I know what the labels says these products but you a'int growing tomatoes here. Organic or not, you are wasting nutrients. Take this with a grain of salt.

 

[Guest]

Right on fellas

CYF...thx for the heads up bro.....I am always leary of adding something new to my grow....but i am reassured now.

Sunnyside...thanx for jumpin in. I am soil. So i can amend it in the soil? I have some plants I put in flower a few days ago...would it be wise to sprinkle the 2-3 tsp right on the top layer of soil in the pot?
And between you and CYF i think its safe to say that I can add the Calmag....exactly as the directions say. Thank you for confirming that.

coconuts
I dont use RO water.....I have a well.
I water every other day with the PBP&liquid Karma at 3/4
strength. I have a lil runoff not much though. I allow the plant to get fully dry.
I have a 1kw.
I dont think Im wasting nutes....only 1 strain of mine shows over fert....the rockstar

and thats minimal.

Thx again folks for the responses
good luck gro bros

 

[Guest]

shit, i think you're fine on nutes, bro. that almost looks more like a *slight water issue. dunno, i might be too stoned to tell!

thanks for posting all this info up, guys. really helped a friend of mine out.

 

[sunnyside]

if scratching into the surface of the soil...I might be careful about how much I appy. 1-2 tablespoons sounds enough. Make sure you keep it away from the stem. Let us know how this works for you.

 

[Guest]

1/2 an once (1 tablespoon) per gal of LK is more than is recommendeded for soil. IMHO, it's usually best to start out w/ 50% of the recommended amount, until you find out how sensitive your current grow is to nutes. I use the CalMag at the recommended dosage, and have had good results.

This is the formula I use, and it works great:
Grow: 1 TBS Earth Juice Grow, 2 tsp Pure Blend Grow, 1.5 tsp Liquid Karma

Flower: 2 TBS Pure Blend Bloom, 2 tsp Liquid Karma, 1.5 tsp Awesome Blossoms

Late Flower: 1 TBS Earth Juice Bloom in place of PB bloom

1st transplant: Half of grow formula + .5 tsp Thrive Alive Red Label

2nd transplant: Flower formula + .5 tsp Thrive Alive Red Label

1 tsp CalMag w/ every watering (once a week).

I water every other day with the PBP&liquid Karma at 3/4
strength. I have a lil runoff not much though. I allow the plant to get fully dry.

If your plants dry out completely every other day after being saturated, then you need to transplant into bigger pots.

BTW- for purposes of comparison, here are some equivalents...thought it might be helpful:

1 fluid ounce= 2 Tablespoons, or 30ml
1 Tablespoon= 3 teaspoons, or 15ml
1 teaspoon = 5ml
apprx 12 drops = .5 teaspoon

 

[Guest]

If your using well water, maybe you don't need the CalMag? Just a guess, but well water often has a fair amount of iron, cal, and mag anyway. Ultimately you may find that you don't need as much...I believe the ratios on the bottle are usually in reference to R/O water.

Hey MasterGrow: I have a bunch of EJ that is about a year or so old...any thoughts on whether or not it is still good? My first time using it was such a failure I put it away. Been thinking about trying it again.

DKF

 

[Guest]

Hi DKF

To my knowledge, EJ stuff doesn't go bad over time...I've used it @ a couple years old w/ no probs. That has been my experience w/ most organic ferts.
I'd give EJ another try man...good stuff!

One thing I will say about EJ though.... SHAKE IT, SHAKE IT, and SHAKE IT again...especially the bloom!! It falls out of suspension rather quickly.

The first bottle of EJ Bloom I got worked great, and I shook it up every time I used it. But.... about half way through the bottle, I noticed a one-inch layer of thick sludge at the bottom.

MG

 

[B.C.]

something to think about...

something to think about...

Good call Dan, well water is usually full of cal,mag,iron. I've seen people post picture on here before of plants in soil with def.in iron and mag.while giving the plant cal-mag the whole time, not realizing that by giving a plant to much cal there were locking out the mag. and iron so they give it more cal-mag adding insult to injury. If your useing good soil I'd wait til I saw a def. before adding anything. Most of the time if there is a def. it's mag., a little epsom salt and your good to go... Btw, Dan Farmer I would not use that earth juice. It was probably old when ya bought it, that's why it didn't work well for ya to begin with.It ferments very fast rendering it anarobic (nasty shit!). Alot of times right on the store shelf... My local store quit carring it...my 2cents take care...BC

 

[Guest]

The EJ seemed to turn my res water rancid overnight. Ph skyrocketed, putrid smell, and brown foam...always wondered if I was doing something wrong. Some swear by the stuff.

I've been having good results with all the PBP Pro stuff. Just ordered some PBP original too.

DKF

 

[Guest]

I would check the ppm of the well water and would not use cal-mag if your well water is near 100ppm or higher. It's my understanding the cal mag is for RO water and even in my 0ppm ro water Cal mag is way too strong if going by the bottles instructions.

In my last hydro grow I had an overdose of N and traced it back to using too much cal mag- I was using 4 ml per gal and that's under the bottles reccomendations.

IMO an acceptable dose of cal mag is about 2 ml per gal of 0ppm water at max. In soil it may not cause a problem but no need to add stuff that the plant won't or can't use. Just my

 

[Guest]

I've only used EJ in ProMix...wouldn't know about hydro applications. The EJ grow stinks to high heavens, but the bloom and catalyst are ok. I'm just about out of the EJ stuff, so I am going to do my next grow w/ more PB (regular) grow and bloom in it's place. The PB is easier to work with, and it will be interesting to see if there is a noticeable difference w/o the EJ.

 

[Coco Nuts]

Yeah, as soon as the Phosphorous is taken up, which is Phosphoric Acid in the EJ, you will see a rise in PH. It's hard to buffer against any PH swing when using a large P source.

 

[Guest]

Excellent info.
Heres the real breakdown. I had recently installed a dual stage (not RO) filter set-up on my well. That is the time I noticed things start to go down. Pale and blotchy marks on the leaves...ect. I figured the filter was blockin out something. Ive been growin now for a few years and it looked like some sort of def. Thats where the calmag came into play.

mastergrow....you hit it on the head. I would like to move up to five gallon pots. It always seems to be fine till about 4 weeks in flower...thats when the pots go dry. now they run in 3 and 4 gal pots.

thx again all

 

[Guest]

What type of filter is it? If your filter is a "softener" type that uses salt these leave sodium in the water and is bad for plants... but somone correct me if I'm mistaken.