Partial birth abortio ban upheld in US, even if mother's life at risk

[Guest]

http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070419/WIRE/70419012/-1/news

Fuckin bastards, what the hell is wrong with this country

 

[Guest]

I am just as upset as you man. I cant imagine why people dont have the guts to stop are government from tampering with are lives!

 

[Old Man Time]

Man this is a tough one for me.
How long is considered partial birth? I dont like the idea of killing a fetus after 3 months. To me that seems like murder.

But then again...and im not a woman....but after the second month I would think the woman has to have some sort of idea that shes knocked up! Thats when the decision to abort should be made IMO. Not at 6 months. BUT i do believe there are special circumstances.

I like to think that abortion is the last and I mean the LAST option that should be taken. I still believe adoption is the best answer to unwanted children. Some see the other end of the spectrum....I have personally seen and know women who are on their 3rd abortion and simply are using it as a form of birth control....and to be honest....it seems kind of sick to me. Such a shallow self centered greedy attitude.

But it should be handled by state law IMO and its not a federal matter. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness....and the govt shall not impede on that....because if thats what makes a woman happy....so be it.

 

[daisy jane]

Man, that is just disappointing. Personally, I don't think the government should have the right to decide what happens in my vagina. That is pretty fucked up!

 

[Guest]

I think it's a tough call; it should be a right for those who need it but then again there are alot of those who would abuse it. I've known of too many women who use it as a birth control and should not be allowed to do so anymore. It's hard to make laws that are fair for everyone when the abuse of them is a serious consequence. To be honest it doesn't bother me one way or the other cause I don't plan on raping anyone and I take care of the children I father but I think there should be some kind of "circumstances" in the law that account for individual situations like born of rape or mollest or similar.

J.

 

[PersonalSmoke]

Coming from a strict left-winger, when that is done on a bay that could have otherwise lived if birth was induced at the time of abortion, it's murder. This has to be the only good thing Bush has done.

 

[marx2k]

There are other methods of achieving the same goal as partial birth abortion. While this is illegal, for some reason dismembering the baby in the womb.

I have no problem with either of these procedures. Yes, when it's described it does sound very grotesque but then again, any medical procedure described sounds grotesque.

Should it be illegal? No. I don't hold the life of an unborn baby above the mother's (nor do I hold the mother's life above an unborn baby). I leave it up to the woman to decide, not vote-seeking politicians.

 

[Guest]

I see NOTHING good about making women DIE rather than letting them abort their baby

Debate and differing opinions on optional partial birth abortions is one thing

It is entirely different when the mother is forced to die because of complications that could be avoided with an abortion.

This is absolutely disgusting to me.

 

[Guest]

Coming from a strict left-winger, when that is done on a bay that could have otherwise lived if birth was induced at the time of abortion, it's murder. This has to be the only good thing Bush has done.

Do you support early abortion? If so, how is that any different than partial birth? Either way, you're preventing a life from coming out of the womb. Same thing far as I'm concerned.

I sure as hell don't remember 1 thing about being born, so I'm sure that baby has no idea about its brains being vacuumed out.

 

[daisy jane]

Should it be illegal? No. I don't hold the life of an unborn baby above the mother's (nor do I hold the mother's life above an unborn baby). I leave it up to the woman to decide, not vote-seeking politicians.

I'm glad to see so much support for this controversial topic from yall
Marx2k- Your words are very true. "Leave it up to the woman to decide, not the vote-seeking politicians." Like you already stated, any procedure is gruesome. I recently had to be cut open to get a small mass out of me. I'm damn glad that I went through that instead of having to live with the consequences of having it left in me. As far as early abortions go, the fetus is only a ball of cells. Having an early abortion would be the same as the procedure I had, just getting rid of a ball of cells. Now in regards to partial birth abortions, although they are not the same because the fetus looks more human than before. But if the mother's life is in danger, it should be perfectly legal for her to choose an abortion.

 

[PersonalSmoke]

I didn't mention a thing about situations where the mother's life is in jeopardy, don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Guest]

I didn't mention a thing about situations where the mother's life is in jeopardy, don't put words in my mouth.

You said "this is the only good thing bush has done..." meaning, the law that he signed (which prevents women from getting abortions like this if their life is in danger). thats how i perceived it, at least.

 

[daisy jane]

You said "this is the only good thing bush has done..." meaning, the law that he signed (which prevents women from getting abortions like this if their life is in danger). thats how i perceived it, at least.

Yes, that is how I perceived it too PersonalSmoke. Sorry for the misunderstanding though

 

[PersonalSmoke]

Well sorry, I'm just going to admit that I'm an idiot and say that I misread the article. Didn't mean to be so ill tempered to sorry so cause offence. If the mother's life is in jeopardy then yes, abortion is acceptable in my eyes. Most abortions aren't done because the mother's life is in jeopardy, though. I jumped to a conclusion and I shouldn't have.

To answer your questions yes I am against abortion but I think it's more understandable early. In the germinal and early embyonic periods I really doubt that much of a mind has developed, it's not feeling or thinking. To me, a fetus that is responsive to touch and can look, blink, cry and grasp is a life. To end this life just because it's not convenient is not right.

Studies have shown that later on in pregnancy the fetus is capable of learning. They do have brains and they are aware to a degree. Studies have shown that late when pregnant mothers read their unborn children stories, after birth and even up to the toddler stage the children studied preffered the sound of the particular stories that were read to them in the fetal period. You mentioned that you don't remember anything from when you were born, but just because your mind and senses weren't developed doesn't make you any less of a human. Infants still have many of the same reflexes that they had before they were born. Does this make post birth abortions ok?

Again, I didn't mean to come off as an ass. You don't see many threads on topics like this just because people feel so strongly about it, there's always going to be disagreements.

 

[Mr. Nevermind]

it boggles my mind that a panel of a few men can tell an entire population of women what to do with their bodies. Whether they think abortion is murder is a personal opinion based on their beleifs and opinions are like assholes. Everyones got one and they stink. What one family beleives may no tbe the same as what another family beleives and to impose your beleifs to another based of your religious convictions or whatever is fucking silly.

Bush got his judges in their so they can thump their bibles and impose their will on the people. Yet another right taken away by the bush admin



Nevermind

 

[Nikijad4210]

it boggles my mind that a panel of a few men can tell an entire population of women what to do with their bodies. Whether they think abortion is murder is a personal opinion based on their beleifs and opinions are like assholes. Everyones got one and they stink.

Here here.

I have to agree here, being female or not. As far as I'm concerned, the method of abortion makes no difference in the end, the results are the same no freakin' matter what.
I personally find the ruling highly offensive & extreamely under-thought. To prevent a procedure one has the right to choose, and to prevent a procedure that means the difference between life & death is nothing to be proud of. It's nothing short of a massive backwards step in human & gender rights.

 

[Guest]

it boggles my mind that a panel of a few men can tell an entire population of women what to do with their bodies. Whether they think abortion is murder is a personal opinion based on their beleifs and opinions are like assholes. Everyones got one and they stink. What one family beleives may no tbe the same as what another family beleives and to impose your beleifs to another based of your religious convictions or whatever is fucking silly.

Bush got his judges in their so they can thump their bibles and impose their will on the people. Yet another right taken away by the bush admin



Nevermind

I think that is probably the saddest fact about the bush admin. They have severely swayed the supreme court and it will be that way for as long as those new justices practice...which is what, 40 years? That's huge

 

[HCSmyth]

I think that is probably the saddest fact about the bush admin. They have severely swayed the supreme court and it will be that way for as long as those new justices practice...which is what, 40 years? That's huge

As long as they live and can physically do the job, or unless they choose to step down on there own accord.

 

[Pops]

I admit that this whole issue of abortion is a disturbing one for me. As a father of 4, a grandfather of 3 and a foster-grandfather of 2, I hold the lives of children as sacred. Not just my children, but all children. I cannot believe that anyone who has held their child in their arms could ever consider killing a child on purpose.

Since there is no real way to measure when life begins,except to set artificial standards, I have chosen ,for my own, non-religious reasons, to believe that life begins at conception. To me, any abortion is the killing of an innocent life. Far too many times, abortion is used as retroactive birth control by careless people. If everyone, male and female alike, were totally responsible, we would not have any unwanted pregnancy, except in the case of incest or rape.

I can understand that saving the life of the mother is paramount and believe that there are other ways than partial birth abortions, which are horribly grisly, as PS has stated. All abortions are somewhat grisly. This is just a personal opinion of mine. I have no right to determine what other people believe and will not condemn what others believe.

For those who believe that it is just a lump of flesh or a group of cells, so is a baby at 1 month or 2 months. I have seen kids at six that were dumber than rocks, as were their parents. Though there are times that i would cheerfully call for the execution of all bad kids and all bad parents, I realize that they all have the same right to live that I do, and that someone else might consider that I have no right to live either.

As I have said, this is a very disturbing subject, and is one that I personally don't know how to handle. I disagree with Roe vs Wade as I think it was bad law, not because of any moral reasons. I support anyones right to do what is best for them and for their family as long as it does not negatively impact others.

I would hope that this subject can be discussed calmly, as it has the potential to create very strong emotions in many. While I personally hate abortion, I would never force my views on others and try to legislate their morals.

 

[NOKUY]

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