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i'm putting up fresh drywall/gyproc in a room that will soon have a medicine garden. i want to paint the walls with a highly reflective, washable, mildew resistant paint. your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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Prime it with Zinsser's Gardz. It's a thin watery product, but it will seal the sheetrock and then top it with Sherwin Williams Duration Home Interior. I would use flat white for reflectivity, but if you want a little bit of a washable surface, use the matte finish.
I use Killz brand primer and flat white over that...
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Kilz is flat white, but it's a shellac, and honestly, a very poor one at that. It's also not the right type of primer for brand new sheet rock. As a professional painter, I won't touch kilz for any of my projects. The Zinssers Gardz I recommended is a good product for what he is looking to achieve. However, I might add that any good primer should work on the drywall whether it's an alkyd or a latex, but there is no need for a shellac product like Kilz....and I wouldn't bother with the kilz2 latex primer either. Both junk.
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awesome stoned2death, thanks... who sells that paint?
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Hmm....some Zinsser's products can be found at Home Depot, some at Ben Moore....those are the two places around me that carry them. The 1-2-3 is not a bad latex primer at all. I have used it many times and had good results, but when I want to hide stains I go for the B-I-N instead of things like Kilz. BIN is a shellac like kilz, but 10X better, hands down. It all boils down to what you want to accomplish....there are tons of primers out there for every different substrate and purpose, and 9 times out of 10 I will go with Zinsser's products for priming because they really have the market cornered when it comes to primer.
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thanks folks!
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i cant get gardz, bit i can get zinsser bullseye oderless, bullseye 1-2-3 and b-i-n what would you reccomend from those choices?
and paint: eggshell or pearl? eggshell satin latex? oil?
and paint: eggshell or pearl? eggshell satin latex? oil?
GrassRoots
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Hey Stoned2Death,
Which products (primer and paint) do you reccomend for that spray on stuff that my whole house was finished with? I hope you know what I mean, it's a new place and never painted, just ready for paint.
GrassRoots
Which products (primer and paint) do you reccomend for that spray on stuff that my whole house was finished with? I hope you know what I mean, it's a new place and never painted, just ready for paint.
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irie-i Go for the 1-2-3, it will work fine. For the top coats you really want a flat latex. Anything with a sheen (i.e. eggshell/satin, semi-gloss, etc) will actually lower the overall reflectivity of the paint. However, if you chose something with a low sheen, like satin, it will be washable, where a flant paint will not be washable at all for the most part.
GrassRoots Are you talking about textured walls like a knockdown or orange peel texture? I assume you are indeed talking about the walls and not the ceilings. Those should be white from the cieling texturing process which in some cases includes paint with the texture. If this is textured walls, I would again, recommend Zinssers Gardz because it is a sealer and will even out the porosity of the textured surface, and allow for a much more even finish. However, something like the 1-2-3 mentioned above would serve this purpose well, also. As for a topcoat on a new interior, I would recommend Sherwin Williams Duration Home Interior in either a matt or satin finish with SW Pro Classic Waterborne semi-gloss for the trim. Some still insist on oil base paint for their trim, but there are many water based products now that will give a finish very comparable to that of oil products without the harmful side effects. Duration is a low VOC (green friendly) paint that goes on twice the thickness of normal paints, is extremely durable, washable, and looks like silk when properly painted. I absolutely love the stuff.
GrassRoots Are you talking about textured walls like a knockdown or orange peel texture? I assume you are indeed talking about the walls and not the ceilings. Those should be white from the cieling texturing process which in some cases includes paint with the texture. If this is textured walls, I would again, recommend Zinssers Gardz because it is a sealer and will even out the porosity of the textured surface, and allow for a much more even finish. However, something like the 1-2-3 mentioned above would serve this purpose well, also. As for a topcoat on a new interior, I would recommend Sherwin Williams Duration Home Interior in either a matt or satin finish with SW Pro Classic Waterborne semi-gloss for the trim. Some still insist on oil base paint for their trim, but there are many water based products now that will give a finish very comparable to that of oil products without the harmful side effects. Duration is a low VOC (green friendly) paint that goes on twice the thickness of normal paints, is extremely durable, washable, and looks like silk when properly painted. I absolutely love the stuff.
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i expect the walls to get a little dirty over time, sometimes my compost tea gets on the wall. of course i want the best reflectivity for higher yeilds. but i want to wash, but i want reflectivity. i guess i'll go with a satin latex. some brands for sale near me are c-i-l real life, debbie travis, and premier.
Hello all,
S2D, htere is a product called Snoroof that is an elastomer coating that is highly refelctive-somewhere from 90%-98% deoending on brand and there claims.
I would use that instead of a interior paint- yes, it is way more expensive but it is washable and is moisture resistant.
With reflectivities like these, ease of application, washablity and durablity it outways myler or panda film.
http://www.amesresearch.com/properties/ss-ppp.pdf
Just a thought.
minds_I
S2D, htere is a product called Snoroof that is an elastomer coating that is highly refelctive-somewhere from 90%-98% deoending on brand and there claims.
I would use that instead of a interior paint- yes, it is way more expensive but it is washable and is moisture resistant.
With reflectivities like these, ease of application, washablity and durablity it outways myler or panda film.
http://www.amesresearch.com/properties/ss-ppp.pdf
Just a thought.
minds_I
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irie-i
that sounds perfect for the application, but at 100 square feet per gallon, i'll need 7 gallons! regular paint i'll need only 2. whats the price per gallon and who sells it?
Hello,
Yeah, that is cost prohibitive.
You know, after a certain distance- the light reflected is of little use anyway. What I mean is it the plant is say in a corner then the reflected light from the the opposite corner is of little use.
The more I try an explain this while stoned the more confused I get.
Anyway, with that mush area to paint I would stick with something more suited for walls.
nevermind.....
minds_I
Yeah, that is cost prohibitive.
You know, after a certain distance- the light reflected is of little use anyway. What I mean is it the plant is say in a corner then the reflected light from the the opposite corner is of little use.
The more I try an explain this while stoned the more confused I get.
Anyway, with that mush area to paint I would stick with something more suited for walls.
nevermind.....
minds_I
old thread, but I just ordered the snoroof paint from ames something.com cant remember the website, stuff looks promising, but it is expensive (50 dollars a gallon).
ill be painting the inside of an armoire with it, hope to get some good results with it, will probably do 2 coats, and will post pics when done.
My only question, is although it says non-toxic when dried, is this going to harm my plants? and how long will it take for the smell to go away? I dont want my flower chamber to be out of comission for more than a day or two because of this.
let me know dudes
ill be painting the inside of an armoire with it, hope to get some good results with it, will probably do 2 coats, and will post pics when done.
My only question, is although it says non-toxic when dried, is this going to harm my plants? and how long will it take for the smell to go away? I dont want my flower chamber to be out of comission for more than a day or two because of this.
let me know dudes
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