Ozone questions

[420Joe]

Im going to buy a ozone for my c13.I just want to know if i put it in my exaust
will it kill the smell completely.I know its not good for u to breath in.I will have it going out a window.I just need to know if it kills the smell cause im in a basement apt.I already had it going out the window and man does it smell.Dont want the mail lady to smell it.I tryed a carbon scrubber but it just didnt cut it.Plus it took up way to much space.Plus it made my blower not work right as it couldnt push the air threw it and wasnt really suckin the hot air out.And when i had it suck threw the scrubber it couldnt cool it down either.So i need the ozone.HELP

 

[Guest]

what are you "sucking" with?

I have a C13 with a 265 CFM Dayton pulling it into a scrubber. That sucker seems to keep the air nice and sweet... noway you could tell there was a grow in there.

 

[420Joe]

ya i have the same blower.But it wont keep the light cool enough.With doors closed on it,it will get around 40c witch is way to hot for me.I have a 400 hps that has a 430 hex bulb,whats yours?The thing is i made my scrubber,so if i buy a scrubber and it does the same thing then i just wasted at least 250 canadian.I can get a ozone for the same price.Dont want to really take the chance and waste more money.

 

[Guest]

joe,
You need to go buy a scrubber they work great. Read some of the threads and everyone that is smart about what they doing has a scrubber. I have 12 sour diesels, 6 bogbubs, and 6 lsd plants that reek to holly hell and my scrubber works great. I have ozone also that I use when I need it but the scrubber is better by far. Get a more powerful fan. Buy an elicent or some kind of centrifical fan, squirrel cage blowers don't work. Buck up the cash for a scrubber or buck up the cash for an attorney.

 

[badmf]

If you run a Ozone, put it into a baffle to mix the air throughly before exiting or parts of the air wouldn't have a chance to get the effect yet. A baffle has several partitions to change the air flow from the left to the right and on and on and on to zig zag the path in a box before going out. I build one from simple plywood, some have them made from aluminum too.

 

[Guest]

Badmf is correct. If you just add the ozone generator in line and exhaust the air it has no time to kill the odor. You need to build a box or vent to a room and kill the smell. The other reason to get a scrubber no need to build any boxes or venting to other rooms.

 

[420Joe]

Ok but will it b able to cool my c13?How would i do this so its not to hot.I just cant see it working.I even have the light in a cooltube witch i could hook up some kind of fan like a duck fan.But the hot air will still b in the box.How offen would i have to change the carbon?

 

[Guest]

see my C13 thread... I ended up just getting a 250W and had no probelms afterwards. I did not want to battle the 430 heat issues when it was in the 90s outside. My cab was in an upstairs bedroom and it was HOT there.

250W provides PLENTY of light in a cab... in my case 50W per sq. foot. I ended up with well over a 1/4 pound of very nice bud.

good luck Joe

 

[420Joe]

Ya my first grow in the c13 witch was last grow,i got over a half a pound and i could have gotten more.Anyway i cant go down to a 250 cause in a year or so ill b gettin a 2 bedroom and a 600 watter.Ill turn my 400 into my veg light.

 

[SuperToker]

The only safe option for you, your pets, and your plants, is to have an inline ozone generator, venting directly outside.

 

[420Joe]

So is this a special ozone?

 

[SuperToker]

So is this a special ozone?

pure ozone poses a serious fire and explosion risk by reacting with combustible materials, due to its very strong oxidizing ability.

just get o3 near a gas can (read: benzene), and sit back, watch the show:friends:.

Special? kompared to regular ozone? ozone is chemical compound consisting of 3 linked oxygen molecules. what do you mean special ozone? i suggest you read the msds before fucking with a chemical you don't know shit about. o3 generators are very powerful devices, that are not designed to be used in residential facilities. just whatever you do, don't try to build one with a neon sign generator. hope this helps. please ask any questions. if your using a lowpower device like a uvair 1000, you be fine in closed space that is sealed from living space, but be very careful with uvair 5000's and bigblue because they are made for industrial purposes, despite the fact that these units are way overpowered for what people are using them for.

OZONE MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET
Effective Date: 06/01/00
Product: Ozone
1. Product Identification

Synonyms: Triatomic oxygen
CAS No.: 10028-15-6
Molecular Weight: 48.0
Chemical Formula: O3
2. Composition/Information on Ingredients

Ingredient

Ingredient CAS No Percent Hazardous

Ozone gas 10028-15-6 1 - 15% Yes

3. Hazards Identification

Emergency Overview
---------------------------------
Highly reactive, can explode on contact with organic substances, especially strong reducing agents.

Ozone is a powerful oxidizing agent and oxidation with ozone evolves more heat and usually starts at a lower temperature than oxidation with oxygen. It reacts with non-saturated organic compounds to produce ozonides, which are unstable and may decompose with explosive violence. Ozone is an unstable gas which, at normal temperatures, decomposes to diatomic oxygen. At elevated temperatures and in the presence of certain catalysts such as hydrogen, iron, copper and chromium, this decomposition may be explosive.

Potential Health Effects
----------------------------------
Inhalation: Causes dryness of the mouth, coughing, and irritates the nose, throat, and chest. May cause difficulty in breathing, headache, and fatigue. The characteristic sharp, irritating odor is readily detectable at low concentrations (0.01 to 0.05 ppm).

Skin: Absorption through intact skin is not expected.

Eye Contact: Ozone is an irritant to the eyes causing pain, lacrimation, and general inflammation.

Ingestion: Not a route of exposure.

Aggravation of Pre-existing Conditions:
Ozone may increase sensitivity to bronchoconstrictors including allergens.
4. First Aid Measures

Inhalation:
Remove to fresh air; if breathing is difficult a trained person should administer oxygen. If respiration stops, give mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. Get medical attention.

Ingestion:
Not an expected route of exposure.

Skin Contact:
Wash skin thoroughly with soap and water.

Eye Contact:
Immediately flush eyes with large amounts of water for at least 15 minutes, while forcibly holding eyelids apart to ensure flushing of the entire eye surface. If irritation, pain, or other symptoms persist seek medical attention.

Acute:
May cause irritation of skin, eyes, and mucous membranes of the respiratory tract. Drowsiness, dizziness, headache, and fatigue have been associated with exposure.

Chronic:
Long term health effects are not expected from exposures to ozone. A partial tolerance appears to develop with repeated exposures.
5. Fire Fighting Measures

Flash Point:
N/D

Auto ignition Temperature:
N/D

Flammable Limits in air, % by volume - Upper: N/D Lower: N/D

Extinguishing Media:
Use extinguishing media suitable for surrounding fires.

Unusual Fire and Explosion Hazard: None expected. Since ozone is highly unstable and decomposes under all conditions and is not encountered except at very small levels in the immediate vicinity where formed.
6. Accidental Release Measures

Evacuate danger area. Open doors and windows to allow area to ventilate. Consult an expert.

Ozone should be contained within a chemically compatible piping system.

Ozone is a powerful oxidizing agent and oxidation with ozone evolves more heat and usually starts at a lower temperature than oxidation with oxygen. It reacts with non-saturated organic compounds to produce ozonides, which are unstable and may decompose with explosive violence. Ozone is an unstable gas which, at normal temperatures, decomposes to diatomic oxygen.
8. Exposure Controls/Personal Protection

Exposure Guidelines:
OSHA PEL: 0.10-ppm PEL/TLV

Ventilation Requirements:
General exhaust recommended. Avoid working with ozone generating equipment in enclosed spaces.

Specific Personal Protective Equipment

Respiratory:
Respirators may be used when engineering and work practice controls are not technically feasible, when such controls are in the process of being installed, or when they fail and need to be supplemented. Respirators may also be used for operations which require entry into tanks or closed vessels, and in emergency situations.

Only appropriate respirators shall be provided and used when the use of respirators is the only means of controlling exposure for routine operations, or during an emergency. (Refer to Table 1 of ANSUI/ASTM E591-77 for appropriate respirator selection ).

Positive pressure air line with mask or self-contained breathing apparatus should be available for emergency use.

Eye:
Not necessary

Gloves:
Not necessary.

Other Clothing and Equipment:
Not necessary.
9. Physical and Chemical Properties

Specific Gravity (H2O=1):
2.144 g/L

Molecular Weight:
48.00

Boiling Point:
-111.9°C

Melting Point:
-192.7°C

Vapor Pressure:
N/A

Evaporation Rate (BuAc=1):
N/A

Vapor Density (Air=1):
1.7

Solubility in H2O % by Weight:
0.49

Appearance and Odor:
Colorless to bluish gas with a characteristic pungent odor similar to the smell after strong lightning storms.
10. Stability and Reactivity

Stability:
Ozone spontaneously decomposes under all ordinary conditions, so that it is not encountered except in the immediate vicinity of where it was formed. The decomposition is speeded by solid surfaces and by many chemical substances.

Hazardous Decomposition Products:
Free radical oxygen. O-)

Hazardous Polymerization:
Will not occur.

Incompatibilities:
Ozone is a powerful oxidizing agent and reacts with all oxidizable materials , both organic and inorganic. Some reactions are highly explosive. Alkenes, benzene and other aromatic compounds, rubber, dicyanogen, bromine diethyl ether, dinitrogen tetroxide, nitrogent trichloride, hydrogen bromide, and tetrafluorohydrazine.
11. Toxicological Information

Ozone is extremely irritating to the upper and lower respiratory tract. The characteristic odor is readily detectable at low concentrations ( 0.02 ppm to 0.05 ppm). Ozone produces local irritation of the eyes and mucous membranes and may cause pulmonary edema at high exposure. Systematically, ozone has been reported to mimic the effects of ionizing radiation, and may cause damage to chromosomal structures. A partial tolerance appears to develop with repeated exposures. Although most effects are acute, the possibility of chronic lung impairment should be considered, based upon animal experimentation.
12. Ecological Information

Environmental Fate:
No information found.

Environmental Toxicity:
No information found.
13. Disposal Considerations

Do not dispose of ozone off gas to atmosphere without properly designed off gas destruct unit. State and local disposal regulations may differ from federal disposal regulations.
14. Transport Information

Proper Shipping Name:
N/A
Hazard Class:
N/A
Identification Number:
N/A
Packing Group:
N/A
15. Regulatory Information

SARA TITLE III:
N/A
TSCA:
The ingredients of this product are on the TSCA Inventory List.
OSHA:
Nonhazardous according to definitions of health hazard and physical hazard provided in the Hazard Communication Standard (29 CFR 1910.1200)
16. Other Information

Label Hazard Warning:
HIGHLY REACTIVE. OZONE GAS AFFECTS THE RESPIRATORY SYSTEM.

Label Precautions:
Keep away from heat, sparks and flame. Avoid contact with eyes, skin and clothing. Avoid breathing. Use with adequate ventilation.

Label First Aid:
If inhaled, remove to fresh air. Get medical attention for any breathing difficulty.

Product Use:
Laboratory Reagent.

Revision Information:
Pure. New 16 section MSDS format, all sections have been revised.

 

[Guest]

Thank you Mr. Wizard. lol

 

[420Joe]

this is what i meant by special (inline ozone generator).And i will get pointers from a pro of 25 years+.He owns a grow store.Im not dumb enough to use something that i know nothing about.I just thought u meant some kind of different ozone generator after badmf and captbluechamp gave there 2 cents.I was thinkin mayb i didnt need to make that baffle box.Thanks for the info man,thats was great.+karma to u

 

[Rolando Mota]

I've been thinking of ozone in my exhaust as well. Lucky enough to have a chimney to go out of, do you think it would act as a baffle?

 

[badmf]

The cheaper Uvonair Jr. (handles 1000 cubic feet!)can be placed in a simple baffle box to work and does the same thing as the pre-made inline units for far less cost. Whenever you use ozone, it needs a chance to mix before exiting to the outside!!! List price for the Uvonair Jr 150.00, medium (3000 cubic feet) 160.00, and the large 5000 cubic feet for 165.00 the inline units start at 370.00 for the 8" and 580.00 for the 12"!! Big blue makes a 4" for 249.95 too.

 

[SuperToker]

I've been thinking of ozone in my exhaust as well. Lucky enough to have a chimney to go out of, do you think it would act as a baffle?

Chimney would work I guess, but I would think it would be hard to set your exhaust up to use a chimney. I would think it might be easier to just run some flex ducting.

 

[Rolando Mota]

Actually, it's an awesome setup. The chimney was for a oil burning furnace, there's a 6" round hole that I plugged a 8" to 6" reducer into. Exhaust plugs into reducer. Haven't actually noticed any smell outside (knock on wood!!) but I want to make sure. Since the exhaust travels from the basement out of the roof it should have time to mix with the ozone I'm hoping.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

 

[Guest]

I purcvhased a small ozone generator for my cab grow. I placed the o3 generator near the i9ntake for the cab coling and the smells are gone just fine. I exhaust the light through a wall. Good luck.

Avid

 

[badmf]

In your set-up it will take away the aroma and flavor from the plants, its better to place it in the exhaust side to just kill off the exiting air. Check out "Air-cooled lights, the right way" if you ony have the ozone on when exhausting hot air, it will add life to your unit too.