Overfed, or just the pheno

[ShroomDr]

This is a 'moroccan spice' clone, it is the first time ive seen this strain flowered, and i think it might be more of an outdoor strain. To top that off, it was battling stem rot at the start of flowering. Here are some pictures.

See how spread out the hairs are on the buds. Next to it, and in the same reservoir, is my AK pheno, and she is thriving. pH is a steady 5.8 and ec is 2.2.

Is it overfed, or is that just the normal bud structure, or maybe something else?

First pic has AK on left, Moroccan spice, on the right
Second pic is just the moroccan Spice

 

[sproutco]

What's the nutrient solution? (ppm of the individual elements)

 

[ShroomDr]

cmon sprout, you think i fucked that up?

You taught me to figure all that out

Here are my notes. I took individual readings after i added AN Sensizym, Scorpion Juice, Voodoo Juice (I took them to see how they affected the ppm and ec, they did not seem to have any effect).


all additive amounts are in ml
Date1229
Original readings
2.083
6.14
New Reservoir
3 Gallons
35pureblendpro bloom soil
30liquidkarma
30calmag+
40hydroguard
6.41
2.414
60voodoo
2.424
6.41
15scorp
6.42
2.422
60szym
2.456
6.37
add 0.5Gal
6.72
2.216
3.5phdwn
FINAL PPM AND EC
3.5Gallons
6.03
2.238

So thats 10ml/G of pbpbloomsoil
8.5 ml/G of both Liquid Karma and Cal Mag Plus

If this strain (Moroccan Spice) is a true land race Sativa (i can find no information on the strain, so i assume it is a landrace, or at the very most a landrace crossed one time), from what ive read, will not produce well indoors (under my 250HPS).

It is probably overfed, but is that why the bud structure looks like that, or something else?

 

[sproutco]

If your using 10 ml pbp soil + 8.5 ml cal mag plus per gallon, your going to have a potassium deficiency.

 

[Guest]

If your using 10 ml pbp soil + 8.5 ml cal mag plus per gallon, your going to have a potassium deficiency.

That plant does not have a potassium deficiency. Although they both look like there sucking the nitrogen from the lower leaves I really think it looks more like nute burn/ nute lock. Look at the tips on the plant. The bud structure on that moroccan spice does look weird. But sativas tend to produce light and fluffy buds. How many weeks have they been flowering? They look like they got a while to go. First I would flush the shit out of them. Dont add anything else untill they are flushed for a day or 2 then I would start to feed again.

Btw, I heard moroccan spice is better suited for outdoor. Thus, it might not do very good under hps lights.

 

[sproutco]

By the way ShroomDr, I want to say once again great job on creating that thread "npk levels of common nutrient products" in your signature. It should be a sticky. :wink:

 

[Guest]

If there is a deficiency, its because he has a bit of nute lock . Once again flush, flush, flush. Then retrun to normal feeding program. If it is not better than I would look into a possible deficiency.

 

[Avenger]

hazetoker, can you explain to me what you mean nute lock out? and exactly how flushing/leaching the medium will remedy it?


sproutco, would you explain how you came to the conclusion that 10ml of pbp soil and 8.5ml of Cal mag plus will lead to a K def?

thanks guys, I am trying to learn your techniques.

 

[Guest]

Nute lock up happens when plants cant get certain or all the nutrients they need in the grow media due to salt build up, ph fluctuation. This is a chemical reaction in the media or the soultion that prevents the roots from being able to take up nutes. The plant will show the look of a nutrient deficiency. This is why I caution people with these types of problems to always flush before adding more stuff. Sometimes this will only compound the problem. You flush the medium to remove these salts that way when you begin feeding at 1/2 strength again your plant will have complete access to everything. You can also feed thrive alive with B-1 as this helps the plant recover quicker. or spray the leaves at 1/4 strength.

 

[Verite]

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Is it overfed, or is that just the normal bud structure, or maybe something else?

Your original overfed diagnosis seems correct and your pics confirm it too. Having that much necrosis going on directly at the fan leaf tips is a dead givaway.

 

[kokua]

cmon sprout, you think i fucked that up?

You taught me to figure all that out

lmao....that is too funny

 

[ShroomDr]

STRANGE DAYS or is that Daze

 

[kokua]

no kidding...and I will until he stops spewing bad advice

but I wasn't discrediting him in this, your thead...I was only laughing at his comment...did that bother you? Or does your problem with me stem from other threads? I was commenting on a funny post...I leave you two alone now.

 

[sproutco]

10 ml pbp soil + 8.5 ml cal mag plus per gallon...Is this what your using ShroomDr?

 

[ShroomDr]

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10ml/Gal of PBPBloom Soil, 8.5ml/Gal of Liquid Karma, and Cal Mag Plus.
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Im sure the problem was this sativa is a light feeder, and it was exacerbated by the stem rot. I think it was pythium or farcium (spelling ) and it probably affected the roots below the surface.

I guess my real question is more about will this fill out and correct itself (Im roughly 28 days into flowering), or was it doomed from the stem rot, or doomed from the beginning (because of the sativa nature of this strain, my next flowering room has started, and it is exclusively Moroccan Spice).

How about some pictures or someone with experience flowering an outdoor sativa indoors? Is this what there bud structure looks like, or is this structure caused exclusively from the poor feeding conditions?

 

[sproutco]

I think you made a math error. Although i am not fond of this because of the high p...17.5 ml pbp bloom soil + 6ml cal mag plus. Doesn't this give you 100 n and 4:2:1? Approximate ppms:

n 101
p 85
k 203
ca 101
mg 44

I think your going to or have a k def like you got it. Check my math. You know how. By the way, I used the link in your signature to get the ppms. Great job.

 

[sproutco]

3/4 strength bloom recipe

3/4 strength bloom recipe

13.1 ml pbp bloom soil + 4.5 ml cal mag plus per gallon of water (3.8L)

(approximate)

n 76
p 60
k 144
ca 74
mg 32