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Over watered or something else???
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what prize do i get if i guess rite?
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information more than a top picture of a plant is what is needed unless you want a bunch of guessing...i can do that but people hate on me when i do
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to brainthor again."
brainthor you crack me up : ) thanks for the good laugh,
but yah as brainthor said... give us a lil more info and we will be able to help you
brainthor you crack me up : ) thanks for the good laugh,
but yah as brainthor said... give us a lil more info and we will be able to help you
lolo brain!
Can you please answer these questions tahoe; looks like overwatering but we do not know for sure.....
HYDROPONICS:
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using?
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.)
What is the Water temperature?
What Nutrient's are you using? How much of each if using multiple?
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using?
What is the pH of the "Tank"?
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment?
When was your last watering?
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional)
What size bulb are you using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor?
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When?
Are plant's infected with pest's
Can you please answer these questions tahoe; looks like overwatering but we do not know for sure.....
HYDROPONICS:
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using?
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.)
What is the Water temperature?
What Nutrient's are you using? How much of each if using multiple?
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using?
What is the pH of the "Tank"?
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment?
When was your last watering?
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional)
What size bulb are you using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor?
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When?
Are plant's infected with pest's
TahoeTops
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HYDROPONICS:
What STRAIN are you growing?DP Blueberry, DP Mazar, and DP Orange Bud
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?)Seed
What is the age of your plants?17 days from sprout
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?Vegetative
What Technique are you using?Ebb & Flow
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.)Rockwool
What is the Water temperature?72
What Nutrient's are you using? How much of each if using multiple?GH 3 part with floraliscious
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using?1100PPM
What is the pH of the "Tank"?5.9
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment?No
When was your last watering?22 hours ago. Watering once every 24 hours right now.
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional)4 days ago
What size bulb are you using?430 Son Agro HPS
What is the distance to the canopy?19 inches
What is your RH Factor?50
What is the canopy temperature?75
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range)71-78
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)265
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?No
Is your water HARD or SOFT?Don't know
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched?No
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When?No
Are plant's infected with pest's?No
What STRAIN are you growing?DP Blueberry, DP Mazar, and DP Orange Bud
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?)Seed
What is the age of your plants?17 days from sprout
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?Vegetative
What Technique are you using?Ebb & Flow
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.)Rockwool
What is the Water temperature?72
What Nutrient's are you using? How much of each if using multiple?GH 3 part with floraliscious
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using?1100PPM
What is the pH of the "Tank"?5.9
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment?No
When was your last watering?22 hours ago. Watering once every 24 hours right now.
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional)4 days ago
What size bulb are you using?430 Son Agro HPS
What is the distance to the canopy?19 inches
What is your RH Factor?50
What is the canopy temperature?75
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range)71-78
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)265
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?No
Is your water HARD or SOFT?Don't know
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched?No
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When?No
Are plant's infected with pest's?No
DAMN dude 1100 ppms for that size of a plant?
Watering every 24 hours?? How much water; you would have to barley water that rockwool cube to safely keep it watered when you are watering that often.
Why are you keeping the rockwool saturated?
10K is very good at ebb and flow systems; I will leave that up to him.
Is this plant just in the rockwool and not in an ebb and flow system?
Watering every 24 hours?? How much water; you would have to barley water that rockwool cube to safely keep it watered when you are watering that often.
Why are you keeping the rockwool saturated?
10K is very good at ebb and flow systems; I will leave that up to him.
Is this plant just in the rockwool and not in an ebb and flow system?
TahoeTops
Active member
Stitch, I am sorry I should have included that info. I used my tray with a resevior for three days. The plants didn't appreciate it so I have recently gone back to hand watering. So technically, they are just sitting in that big tray and not in an ebb-n-flow system.
My PPM's are high due to my water!
I have now tested my water and I thought I was getting RO water but it tested at 500 PPM's! My knowledge of RO tells me that this water is not RO. It has solid in it so therefore what I am being told is inaccurate! The regular water tests at 700PPM's! With a bit of nutrients, I get up to 1100 pretty quick. I am looking into a new source for water. I am on a well with a filtering system here!
My PPM's are high due to my water!
I have now tested my water and I thought I was getting RO water but it tested at 500 PPM's! My knowledge of RO tells me that this water is not RO. It has solid in it so therefore what I am being told is inaccurate! The regular water tests at 700PPM's! With a bit of nutrients, I get up to 1100 pretty quick. I am looking into a new source for water. I am on a well with a filtering system here!
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Yes, that IS an overwatered plant and heres why...
Six inch rw in a flood table is usually a recipe for several horror stories.
The big rw cubes just werent designed for such an application.
Without being on rw slabs in a top feed drip system, they WILL NOT drain properly, WILL hold way too much water from the get go, and later on as the rw starts clogging up with algae and structural damage, will become a big soaking wet nasty fugly medium that WILL result in root disease.
Why did you choose to run those big cubes in ebb&flow?
Do you have alot of seedlings going in this big rw run ?
Do you have the hydroton and planters that should have been the original equipment supplied with this e&f system ?
If you do, then would you be opposed to rescuing them from those big soggy cubes before they become more distressed ?
/\-the best option imho, and fairly easily accomplished.
I can explain this further if you're ready to get them out of those bigass soakers ?
Meanwhile as for the overwatered symptoms you're currently having, when you hand water those cubes, carefully take each cube and set it on top of another blank rw cube for a couple minutes after each hand watering...that spare cube will "pull out" the excessive moisture in the big cube by capillary action, and this will also "pull in" to the cube some very appreciated air (02). Don't squeeze those cubes btw.
Six inch rw in a flood table is usually a recipe for several horror stories.
The big rw cubes just werent designed for such an application.
Without being on rw slabs in a top feed drip system, they WILL NOT drain properly, WILL hold way too much water from the get go, and later on as the rw starts clogging up with algae and structural damage, will become a big soaking wet nasty fugly medium that WILL result in root disease.
Why did you choose to run those big cubes in ebb&flow?
Do you have alot of seedlings going in this big rw run ?
Do you have the hydroton and planters that should have been the original equipment supplied with this e&f system ?
If you do, then would you be opposed to rescuing them from those big soggy cubes before they become more distressed ?
/\-the best option imho, and fairly easily accomplished.
I can explain this further if you're ready to get them out of those bigass soakers ?
Meanwhile as for the overwatered symptoms you're currently having, when you hand water those cubes, carefully take each cube and set it on top of another blank rw cube for a couple minutes after each hand watering...that spare cube will "pull out" the excessive moisture in the big cube by capillary action, and this will also "pull in" to the cube some very appreciated air (02). Don't squeeze those cubes btw.
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Stitch, I am sorry I should have included that info. I used my tray with a resevior for three days. The plants didn't appreciate it so I have recently gone back to hand watering. So technically, they are just sitting in that big tray and not in an ebb-n-flow system.
They were sitting in a big tray with water? No air bubbling or anything?
Your tap water should not be over 250 if you are using tap water.
So the rest is coming from your nutrients and even then your nutrients should not be over 500-600 with that size of a plant so given lets say your tap water is 250 at it's highest- your ppms should not be over 850.
Dude 500 ppm well water is not safe; you better have a filtration system on there or get that damn thing checked cause it's not safe for human consumption and sure in the hell is not safe for plants! You got a system on there??
They were sitting in a big tray with water? No air bubbling or anything?
Your tap water should not be over 250 if you are using tap water.
So the rest is coming from your nutrients and even then your nutrients should not be over 500-600 with that size of a plant so given lets say your tap water is 250 at it's highest- your ppms should not be over 850.
Dude 500 ppm well water is not safe; you better have a filtration system on there or get that damn thing checked cause it's not safe for human consumption and sure in the hell is not safe for plants! You got a system on there??
TahoeTops
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10K, My cubes are only 4", not 6". The roots are coming out the bottom of the 4" cubes in all of the plants. I never did think of placing a cube on top of a dry cube to wick out some of the excess moisture. That's a great idea. I will do that from now on. I never really did like squeezing the cubes to get rid of excess moisture. Thanks.
As far as pulling the cube apart, I hope you only meant a 6", because I don't think the plants would deal with getting pulled out of the 4".
I only have 13 kids in this run. I don't know if they are male or female yet.
I do have 10" baskets with Hydroton(8-16mm) that will get used shortly. But I just don't have the room for 13 10" baskets at this time I only have room for 7 10" baskets in my tray max. So either way at least 6 of these kids have to go!
But I will probably clone all of them just in case. I can always throw away anything in the future. All in all, my original goal was to get a good pheno for cloning puposes and run those clones elsewhere(another location). I have a bigger room located somewhere different.
Stitch, when I said "I used my tray with a resevior for three days." What I meant was, I was using my tray(empty of any water) with a resevior flooding the table about once every 24 hours. The flood was only for about a minute and was only about 1/2" up on each cube. But I realized that they were getting too much moisture in the cubes and have since stopped this practice.
Where the well is concerned, I am in a strange situation......... I only drink water that comes from a company delivered(5 gallon jugs). The well water is only for the house main system(washing machine, dish washer, shower, and toilets). There is a large filtration system that first filters the water into one tank and then sends filtered water through an RO system to another tank. I was using the RO water from the second tank, assuming that it had been filtered and RO'd properly. But now I am wondering if our system is not working correctly. I will have both the tanks sampled and sent out to a professional lab sometime this week.
Until then, I will use the water delivered professionally. Or I will go get it from another source.
Again, thanks for all your guys' help.
Things are looking much better today and I will be getting some better equipment/ calibration solution/ and water from now on.
As far as pulling the cube apart, I hope you only meant a 6", because I don't think the plants would deal with getting pulled out of the 4".
I only have 13 kids in this run. I don't know if they are male or female yet.
I do have 10" baskets with Hydroton(8-16mm) that will get used shortly. But I just don't have the room for 13 10" baskets at this time I only have room for 7 10" baskets in my tray max. So either way at least 6 of these kids have to go!
But I will probably clone all of them just in case. I can always throw away anything in the future. All in all, my original goal was to get a good pheno for cloning puposes and run those clones elsewhere(another location). I have a bigger room located somewhere different.
Stitch, when I said "I used my tray with a resevior for three days." What I meant was, I was using my tray(empty of any water) with a resevior flooding the table about once every 24 hours. The flood was only for about a minute and was only about 1/2" up on each cube. But I realized that they were getting too much moisture in the cubes and have since stopped this practice.
Where the well is concerned, I am in a strange situation......... I only drink water that comes from a company delivered(5 gallon jugs). The well water is only for the house main system(washing machine, dish washer, shower, and toilets). There is a large filtration system that first filters the water into one tank and then sends filtered water through an RO system to another tank. I was using the RO water from the second tank, assuming that it had been filtered and RO'd properly. But now I am wondering if our system is not working correctly. I will have both the tanks sampled and sent out to a professional lab sometime this week.
Until then, I will use the water delivered professionally. Or I will go get it from another source.
Again, thanks for all your guys' help.
Things are looking much better today and I will be getting some better equipment/ calibration solution/ and water from now on.
TahoeTops
Active member
Ok so a quick response to all of this...
I got myself a new meter. My tap water is measuring at 610 PPM's!!! The supposed RO water is measuring at 420 PPM's!!! I now believe that the RO system in place is no longer functioning properly. I will have to go buy all my water now. Oh well. $1.50 for 5 gallons and peace of mind. I guess that is just what I am going to have to do.
I got some calibration solution today and my PH meter was a little off. But only by .5!
Back to the basics... Thanks for everyones help.
I got myself a new meter. My tap water is measuring at 610 PPM's!!! The supposed RO water is measuring at 420 PPM's!!! I now believe that the RO system in place is no longer functioning properly. I will have to go buy all my water now. Oh well. $1.50 for 5 gallons and peace of mind. I guess that is just what I am going to have to do.
I got some calibration solution today and my PH meter was a little off. But only by .5!
Back to the basics... Thanks for everyones help.
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TahoeTops said:
I dunno about u but, in god I trust, - all others pay in cash
As for the plants - you have a lot of changes going on - be careful. It sounds like things should be improving, so it should get easier.
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Dude that water is NO longer safe for you at over 250 ppms, RO water has very very low ppms, get a new system or change filter, or have system looked at......
