organic sources of nutes??

[Guest]

Well I've been using the search engine and can't find a list with all the organic sources of nutes compiled in one, I'd greatly appreciate your help



nitrogen- Blood meal
phosphorus- bat guano, bone meal
potassium- seaweed/kelp
calcium- lime
magnesium- lime
sulfur- gypsum
iron- ?
manganese- ?
zinc- ?
copper- ?
boron- ?
molybdenum- ?

 

[sproutco]

Gypsum (calcium sulfate) is not organic. The micronutrients iron, etc...can probably come from the seaweed/kelp. Check the label. So, that would leave you with no source of organic sulfur. I would not get too "hung up" on having everything 100% organic.

Also, adding nutrients when you first plant may not last for the entire crop. You may end up having to add more nutrients in your water by making a "tea".

 

[Guest]

I've literally been getting headaches from all this shit. I can never get it straight.

What about the iron, manganese, zinc, copper, boron, molybdenum?

Should I just buy some bottled nutes/supplements that have these in it from a hydro store?? I mean, what the fuck??? I feel like punching mother nature directly in the face.

 

[Guest]

Also, adding nutrients when you first plant may not last for the entire crop. You may end up having to add more nutrients in your water by making a "tea".

I'm not planning on that anymore, just gonna water feed the nutes (for better "control")

The problem is I can only get tiny amount of info on "organic" sources of nutes, so will probably just have to spend a bunch of money that I don't have on bottled nutes at this point, which pisses me off to no end and is seriously stressing me out, I feel like my heart is gonna jump out my damn throat

 

[sproutco]

The seaweed/kelp probably has iron, manganese, zinc, copper, boron, and molybdenum. Like I said, you will have to check the label. Organic means only that it contains carbon too.

This thread has some basic organic growing questions answered like you have. Suby does a good job explaining and gives some recipes for teas. Read the whole thing. http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=32499

 

[Guest]

Yeah, I know the official definition, by "organic" I guess I mean homebrew and non-specialty-overpriced-hydrostore-nutes


Thanks for all the help

 

[BagseedSamurai]

why do you need all of these? you going hydro?

 

[sproutco]

Be sure to read this entire thread. Suby does a good job explaining. http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=32499

 

[Guest]

Well that's the thread I got a lot of my ideas from but then you told me not to mix any nutes in my soil mix....???????????????. Literally all I do is go to work, come home, read up on this site and others, go to sleep, get up and read up some more, then go to work, come home and read up some more, etc. That's literally all I've been doing and I still can't even get this shit right.


BagseedSamurai- No, organic soil. But all of these nutes are essential

 

[Guest]

Sorry everybody. I'm not trying to waste y'alls time.


Thanks,
-graythumb

 

[sproutco]

Better thing to do on your day off is go to the library. Lots of free information beyond what this site offers. Librarians will surely help you find books and magazine articles on organic growing.

When you add nutrients to your soil at planting, you end up guessing what and when to add more later on. That is why I suggested adding everything in your water instead so you have more control and know what is going on.

By the way, for container growing I use all inorganic ferts except dolomite lime. In my vegetable garden, I only add organic material to help the soil retain more moisture and improve the soil structure rather than rely on it to provide the plants with complete nutrition.

Your not wasting anybodys time. Talking about plants is fun. That is why we are here.

 

[Guest]

Well after reading that thread again, I think I'll be okay. I have maxicrop, would that be suitable for the micronutes like kelp? It's made from seaweed. If not, I'll buy some sushi wraps and use those.


SO,

I've already got Maxicrop, and High P Guano

I'll be getting:


blood meal
bottled fulvic acid
blackstrap molasses
dolomite lime
worm castings
seaweed if needed (sushi wraps)


Anything I'm missing?



Oh and about the library, the library here is awful, I'm better off on here than there

 

[minds_I]

If yoru soil is organic and has peat then you have humic acids-which break down to fulvic acids as I understand it-why add something thats already there.


I would add some EWC.

minds_I

 

[Guest]

Welp, decided to go the easy way out

VEG: FoxFarm "GrowBig", mollasses, and a maxicrop for veg
FLOWERING: FoxFarm "BeastieBloomz", mollasses, maxicrop, and maybe some high P guano


The soil mix will be:

-2 parts commerical compost
-1 parts worm castings (if I can find them, still can't)
-2 parts perlite
-1 part verm

plus 2/3 tbs lime per gallon soilmix

 

[Guest]

Since you're already using worm castings, I'd replace the 2 parts compost with 2 parts peat this will give you a more fluffy mix the plants will like alot better. You can supplement your grow with the ferts you mentioned.