Organic Gold IV - JOG Grow Guide by 3LB

[Guest]

hey 3BM things are going great brother i got my soil composting like we discussed and it should be ready in about two weeks. i got enough beans going too, white widow, skunk 1, black domina and sweet tooth and some other local strains.

3bm, so your saying you veg for about 6-8 weeks but how big are they when you flip them? i know you were saying they finish at 36".

36 inches tall, 1 square foot space(approx), 30/watt per square foot and 7 gallons soil = 4 oz right? i would love to see that! is there any chance we can get a look into your garden? i would LOVE to see it..

thanks fresh

 

[Guest]

also what strains have you hit the 4 ounces with? what are some strains you like to grow?

 

[vonforne]

Fresh, good luck on growing the Black Domina. It was one of my first grown strains and it is still one of my favorites as far as potency goes. Not much taste though. If you was to grow them big in 7 gallon buckets then you would get close to maybe 3 oz's each. That is if you get a branchey pheno. there are strains out there that would pull the 4 oz mark that 3BM was talking about. Blockhead, NlxBB, and a few others. But you have to have everything dialed in. 4 oz's a plant is for someone who has been growing a certian strain and knows its needs. And when it needs them. With those strains you will be growing, you might get about 2 oz's a plant and that would be stretching it.

 

[bubbaKu]

fresh, enjoy the black domina. Way back when it was one of my first strains. Amazing stuff as far as yield and strength as vonforne! Keep us posted with some pics all y'all

 

[irie-i]

Without a veg space how can you produce mothers and clones? Perhaps a clone bank provides those clones, but they have veg space to do it. Regardless, veg space is a necessity somewhere along the chain. If you have access to a reliable clone dealer (who selects from large population sizes and propagates quality mothers) then by all means buy clones. Finding a good clone dealer can be difficult, unless you live near a compassion club. Even if you have access to quality clones, you must factor in the cost of those clones to determine the efficiency of the settup. I have seen veg space settup at minimal cost for nearly any size bloom room. At 20-25$ a clone for quality clones, and a modest plant count of 20 plants, you pay around 400$ for the first harvest. 2 harvests worth of clones and you could easily pay for a veg space to support mothers and supply clones for subsequent grows. The cost over time of veg space vs clones doesnt add up in my mind, but I strive for self sufficiency.

duh! i guess i havent been using my full brain in this discussion. they are being mothered and cloned somewhere along the way. my clones are only $5 and i get decent clones in beer cups with lots of roots. but thats $600 a cycle. i know $1200 could build me a fat mother/clone room.

i agree self sufficiency is the way to go for most. i feel like im at a reasonable capacity for power consumption and whatnot. so i spend about 6%-8% of my return for the clones. im happy to spread a little money around, my cloners are good people.

i shall duck out of this debate that i started

irie

 

[vonforne]

Would a taller container....say 15 gallons or so be better than a flat shallow tub? I have access to Looooooots of containers like this. They are round and I'm guessing that they are 15 gal. but maybe 20. They would get huge in there! I wonder what the veg. time would have to be? Hmmmmmmmm.....whats everone think?

 

[vonforne]

bump

 

[3BM]

Hey Von:

Cannabis roots like to branch out laterally, while sending a deep tap root. Limiting the lateral root development in a narrow but deep container will result in plants with tall narrow growth, and little ability to support their weight. In my experiments lateral root development is an important part of adequate soil volume. Actually, this isnt exactly true. Indica plants prefer a deep volume, as they send a deep tap, and less lateral root movement, as they dont branch out as much. A 5 gal bucket is the perfect shape for an indica. Indicas develop in regions where water is scarce, and going deep rather than wide is the effective strategy. Sativas, on the other hand, send more roots wide with a shallow tap root. Sativas developed in areas of high rainfall with shallow top soil, and so going wide and not deep is the effective strategy. Keep in mind that each plant is different, and finding the proper soil shape can be an important step to maximizing the productivity of a given strain.

So, to answer your question: the containers you suggest would work well for an indica or indica dominant plant. 50/50 hybrids, sativas, and sativa dominant crosses prefer a soil volume wider than deep. 10-12" deep seems to be enough, while plants may reach as far wide as the soil will allow. I hope that helps. Veg 12 weeks for 15 gals, more for slower vegging strains.

3BM

 

[vonforne]

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[little-soldier]

Good info 3 BM
this is something I must try
though I've been reading alot about growing and never seen anything over 2 gpw using HYDRO techniques. So I must say that this quote IS over exagerating
3LB documented average yields over 2g/watt, with high marks reaching over 4g/watt

3BM I you to Show me a picture of a room with 4g/watt buds with no support of some sort and I will bow down to my knees but till then, its impossible and trust me I know what I am talking about.

In a way I wish you could prove me wrong but it sounds too good to be true and such things are 99.99999% of the time too good to be true

peace out

 

[theFLINTSTONERS]

Good info 3 BM
this is something I must try
though I've been reading alot about growing and never seen anything over 2 gpw using HYDRO techniques. So I must say that this quote IS over exagerating
3LB documented average yields over 2g/watt, with high marks reaching over 4g/watt

3BM I you to Show me a picture of a room with 4g/watt buds with no support of some sort and I will bow down to my knees but till then, its impossible and trust me I know what I am talking about.

In a way I wish you could prove me wrong but it sounds too good to be true and such things are 99.99999% of the time too good to be true

peace out

grams/watt is just one measure of a garden's efficiency . . . and perhaps not even the best . . . it's not our primary consideration when growing for our own medicinal use . . .

btw - the 4 gm/watt bit . . . that's somebody else's exageration . . . not ours . . . it's kind of an interesting example of how internet "fables" can get circulated . . .

yes we have had harvests that exceeded 2 grams per watt (barely exceeded) . . . and we did so using organic methods and techniques that included 2'x3' tubs etc . . . as described in the opening "essay" . . .

but 4 grams per watt?
that's not going to happen with any technology/strains we know of that are currently available . . .

 

[3BM]

The post containing that reference has since been edited, and I have discussed personally with Soldier the nature of that statement. I appologize for any indication that this was a claim made by 3LB/theFlintstoners - IT WAS NOT!

 

[theFLINTSTONERS]

The post containing that reference has since been edited, and I have discussed personally with Soldier the nature of that statement. I appologize for any indication that this was a claim made by 3LB/theFlintstoners - IT WAS NOT!

it's all good 3BM . . . no offense taken on our part . . .

as we've said before . . . we very much appreciate everything you saved . . . and don't find any fault with you for a simple mistake like this . . .

all the best from our nest!

 

[theFLINTSTONERS]

absolutely it cannot be argued that plant counts/laws are a major deciding factor for jog or sog. however i disagree with that is only assuming there is a possibility for a veg room. an additional room for veg would require additional investment and *gasp!* work. could it be argued that the cost of running a veg room outweighs the advantages?

Hi there!. . . our opinion is a bit different than many because we try to aim for a plant about 18-20 inches in height before moving her into the bloom room. . . also we try to prune out small undergrowth tired leaves etc. . . in fact the better one becomes at pruning . . . the easier the harvest is going to be. . . . faster because you only have nice buds not leafy crap

 

[theFLINTSTONERS]

Would a taller container....say 15 gallons or so be better than a flat shallow tub? I have access to Looooooots of containers like this. They are round and I'm guessing that they are 15 gal. but maybe 20. They would get huge in there! I wonder what the veg. time would have to be? Hmmmmmmmm.....whats everone think?

Bigger uis NOT always better!!. . . there is nothing wrong with the concept but there is no need for outrageous size containers. . . .unless you want to tend plants in a huge area . . . it becomes far too impractical. . . .med users tend not to want to break backs or fall off ladders

 

[vonforne]

HaHa since this was posted in the discussion with 3bm I did use a bigger container and what fun that was!

I will stick to the smaller ones around 10 gallon /w two plants each.

Thanks for bringing up this discussion again.

I will have to go back and read it again.

V

 

[BigWillyDee]

i'm definitely doing this....bump