OMG! it was sprayed with "BLACKJACK" !!!

[FRIENDinDEED]

OK , heres my dilemma. i am "working" with a partner grower and hes not as knowledgable as i am in regards to growing, nor does he see the ramifications of his actions when it comes to growing, or consuming cannabis. since he himself does not smoke, he really has a "do whatever" attitude to growing.

it defintely has been a frustrating time, since i am totally an organic grower and wouldnt have it any other way!!!

here is the plant in question. . .

its aproximately 7+" tall and its been on 12/12 for about a wk now. no real pistils or hairs to speak of other than the preflowers.

the problem i/we are having is that there was a massive spidermite infestation that he didnt make me aware of until i went to go see him (mainly the plant) to check up on things. since he had no clue as to what they really were, he said that "i thought they were regular spiders" and didnt think it was a big deal ( ).

once we talked about it and i told him what it/ they were, he immediately got up in arms about it and paranoid at the possibility of loosing the plant altogether, since we don't really have any type of organic/natural sprays or pesticides to speak of.

although i told him that i was totally against it, we talked about spraying it with something along the lines of a bug spray but never agreed to it. now from what i saw, the spidermites were mainly on the the tops, but he decide that he was gonna spray the WHOLE plant, top to bottom with "BLACKJACK". i went and found the specs for it and it doesnt seem as though it would cause too much harm, but i have to be honest, i am not really that well versed on the chemical make up of it. as far as i care/know its a pesticide or rather bug killer therefore its bad for something that you would have/want to be consuming.

as i have said before the plant is still in veg for the most part and may not even make it to full on flower since its so tall. it was sprayed with "BLACKJACK" ALL OVER!!! and as far as i know it hasn't been sprayed off with regular water, that i will know of later on when i check up on things. what , if anything, can i expect to happen to this plant? are there any ramifications for the long term or short term that i should be aware of? if there any ramifications for later, is/ are there anything i can do/use to bring it back t life thereafter ?

 

[FRIENDinDEED]

i tried to paste a pic of the can but couldn't. here are a copy of the specs. if anyone can just take a look at them and let me know if /what may/ can happen either now or later to the plant. . .

MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET HMIS: H2 F2 R0 SB
Complies with OSHA Hazard Communication NFPA: H2 F2 R0 PStandard
29 CFR l9l0.l200 LEVEL 3 AEROSOL
____________________________________________________________________________
Identity: BLACK JACK ROACH & ANT KILLER CODE: 602N
____________________________________________________________________________
SECTION I MANUFACTURER'S NAME & ADDRESS
____________________________________________________________________________
SAFEGUARD CHEMICAL CORP Emergency Telephone: l-800-535-5053
411 WALES AVENUE Telephone # for information: 718-585-3170
BRONX, NEW YORK 10455 Date Prepared: JULY 7, 2005
Signature of Preparer (optional): LEO H.
____________________________________________________________________________
SECTION II HAZARDOUS INGREDIENTS/IDENTITY INFORMATION
____________________________________________________________________________
Hazardous Components OSHA ACGIH Other Limits Percentage
(Specific Chemical Identity) PEL-TWA TLV-TWA Recommended (Optional)
Deltamethrin (52918-63-5) NE ppm NE ppm 45 mcg/m3(mfr.) .02 %
Esbiol (28434-00-6) NE ppm NE ppm NA .05 %
Petroleum Distillate (8052-41-3) 100 ppm 100 ppm NA
Isobutane (75-28-5) 800 ppm 800 ppm NA
Propane (74-98-6) 1000 ppm 1000 ppm NA
____________________________________________________________________________
SECTION III PHYSICAL/CHEMICAL CHARACTERISTICS
____________________________________________________________________________
Boiling Point (oF): (conc.) 212 Specific Gravity (H2O=l): 0.84
Vapor Pressure @ 70oF: 46 psig Melting Point (oF): NA
Vapor Density (Air = l): > 1 Evaporation Rate: < 1
Solubility In Water: Soluble (Butyl Acetate = l)
Appearance & Odor: Fine mist spray of white emulsion with perfume odor.
____________________________________________________________________________
SECTION IV FIRE & EXPLOSION HAZARD DATA
____________________________________________________________________________
Flash Point (oF): NA, TCC Flammability Limit: LEL NA UEL NA
Extinguishing Media: Water, water fog, dry chemical, CO2
Special Firefighting Procedures: Self-contained respiratory protection
should be provided for fireman fighting in buildings or confined areas.
Unusual Fire & Explosion Hazards: Aerosols are under pressure. Exposure in
excess of l20oF may cause bursting of can.
____________________________________________________________________________
SECTION V REACTIVITY DATA
____________________________________________________________________________
Stability: Stable Hazardous Polymerization: Will not occur
Conditions to Avoid: NA Conditions to Avoid: High temperatures
Incompatibility (Material to avoid): Strong oxidizing agents and alkalies.
Hazardous Decomposition or Byproducts: Burns to form CO2, CO and possible
incompletely decomposed materials.
____________________________________________________________________________
l of 2 (602N)

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SECTION VI HEALTH HAZARD DATA
_____________________________________________________________________________
Route(s) of Entry: Inhalation? Yes Skin? Yes Ingestion? Yes
Health Hazards (Acute & Chronic): Prolonged or repeated exposure can cause
irritation to skin, eyes and respiratory tract, and central nerve system
disorders.
Carcinogenity: NTP? No IARC Monographs? No OSHA Regulated? No
Signs & Symptoms of Exposure: Harmful if absorbed through skin. Skin may
cause transient tingling and reddening of the skin. Tearing and itching of
eyes. Fatigue, dizziness, headache, lack of coordination and tremors.
Medical Conditions Generally Aggravated by Exposure: None known.
Emergency & First Aid Procedures: Flush eyes with water. Wash skin with soap
and water. Remove patient to fresh air. Call a physician if necessary.
_____________________________________________________________________________
SECTION VII PRECAUTIONS FOR SAFE HANDLING & USE
_____________________________________________________________________________
Steps to be Taken in Case Material is Released or Spilled: Avoid inhalation
of concentrated vapors. Absorb spilled material with appropriate absorbent.
Waste Disposal Method: Dispose of all waste in accordance with federal,
state and local regulations.
Precautions to be Taken in Handling & Storage: Keep away from heat, sparks,
open flame or direct sunshine. Do not puncture or incinerate container.
Precautions: Intentional misuse by deliberately concentrating and inhaling
vapor contents can be harmful or fatal.
____________________________________________________________________________
SECTION VIII CONTROL MEASURES
___________________________________________________________________________
Respiratory Protection: Not necessary under normal use.
Ventilation: Local Exhaust: Yes Special: None
Mechanical (general): None Other: None
Protective Gloves: Rubber gloves.
Eye Protection: Safety glasses or goggles or face shield.
Other Protective Clothing or Equipment: Not necessary under normal use.
Work/Hygienic Practices: Wash thoroughly with soap and water after handle.
___________________________________________________________________________
SECTION IX DOT SHIPPING INFORMATION
___________________________________________________________________________
Proper Shipping Name: Consumer Commodity, Pressurized Aerosol Cans
Hazard Class: ORM-D
__________________________________________________________________________
2 of 2 (602N)

from what ive read i dont see anything where its harmful to plants.

EDIT: i just read it over and saw that they had contact information, i think im gonna give them a call and ask whatever questions i need to, under the guise ofcourse

 

[RockyMountainHi]

DUUDE - you typed all that out? gawd man A+

I'd just link to the manafacturers msds page.

I don't think it will hurt the mites, but I'm not so sure about the plant.
I suspect you should be seeing any bad signs very soon.





Give the plant to your friend and walk away with a valuable lesson.

Keep the friend - just loose the grow partner.

Too many cooks spoil the soup - too many thumbs will not help the garden.

Then there is rule one for secure growing - TELL NO ONE

 

[FRIENDinDEED]

RockyMountainHi- man, oh man, you just dont know how much i would want to just bounce and leave the whole damned thing be! fact is im gonna have to stop growing in a while but for a while then ill be ale to start up again. i wanted to kinda move things over to the bigger spot for now until i am free and clear to start up again. but once i do it, its all about me and thats it, no more partners, just on the business side.

the factoid i cut and paste but, yeah, everything else i typed out, cause i wanted to go into a rant so bad about how this guy is really pissing me off, but i got long winded instead trying my damnedest to maintain my cool. an dthen again i wanted to give onlookers as much information as needed. hes not a bad guy, by no means a snitch and is intelligent about growing (to a degree). but hes impatient as fuck and is even more thick skulled!!!

well it was done for the mites to be killed and far as i was told they were; i was even informed that once the plant was sprayed it picked up a lil but. now THAT i truly find hard to believe. but oh well, i wont know until i am able to go over there or time tells, which ever comes first.

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ok i didn't want to but if i dont im gonna end up releasing it all at him and losing a friend. . . .


ok heres the deal- there are also some clones of mine that are being flowered out at the moment (that was out deal, i provide the clones and he does the rest ie. i veg he flowers). now **to all those reading please be clear** it is nothing to me to let some plants go! ive got more than enough skill and knowledge to not have that ever be concern of mine. ive got genetics, tools , know how and ability. now all of that is more important to me IMO because without those yo wont even get started growing in the first place.

my idea is this: since i don't wanna see the guy fall on his face, im gonna ride it out with this last grow, take my share of it (which was the deal in the first place) give him another mom plant and walk. i wanted to make a deal with him that if he wanted the remaining clones i have, he would have to let the whole thing be a 80/20 split in regards to the current grow. i mean were talking atleast 3-5#'s so i can barter that and make my money back , i have no problem doing it that way.

now the other thing is that my light is being used , actually BOTH my 250hps and 400hps are what i contributed to the grow, he had the space so it was a good look in the beginning. but there are many things that can come up/out of the deal though, and the ball is most definitely in my court.

one thing is that i can say that he can keep both lights but i would get to keep the whole grow, he gets the new mom and clones and we both walk. all of this is speculative and can go either way, BUT i just want to make sure that if i have to repurchase anything, that i dont have to come out of pocket for it and hes not just "left on stuck" not out of fear but i just dont wanna do that to him, its not that type of thing/ setup/ friendship.

 

[RockyMountainHi]

looks like a small space - get a "No Pest Strip" - leave it in there for 2 to 4 weeks then pull the strip out.

the extra time is to make sure you get all the adults, then all the eggs as they hatch - usually about a 14 day life cycle




Good luck
as to the partners split - now you understand my reluctance. Looking back, be a friend and when your ready - do your own thing too.

Keep your friends close,,,,,

ps - I've done a lil reading about mites and the spray you mentioned has never come up as an effective control method for mites - so don't take it wrong if I'm betting on the mites.

 

[MynameStitch]

You know what to be safe, it wil act ass a pesticide to the plant, were the leaves wilted like that before he sprayed the plant?

You ever heard of that vegi wash stuff you use to wash your fruits and veggies with?

Mix some of that in a spray bottle and coat your whole plant down with it to remove residue off it. May take more than one spray down to remove it depending on how bad he sprayed the plants.......

I am not sure what damage it would do to the plants though it all depends

You can get any vegi wash product from grocery stores, that will help deplete some of the toxic stuff off the plant, good thing it does not have buds or you will have a HELL of a time, cause if he sprayed that shit on the buds, you might as well chop it and get rid of it. Would not even remotely take a chance smoking buds with that stuff sprayed on it.

Like rocky said, those strips work wonders and it's always good to have more than one thing to use when fighting mites since sometimes one way does not always kill them.
Using strips with something else on your plants like neem/safer soap, tobacco juice stuff like that.
I would make absolutely sure you rid your plants of that stuff before using anything else on your plants though.

 

[RockyMountainHi]

Stitch has a really good point on washing.

Look on the bright side - for 2 guys that don't agree - the plant looks pretty healthy.



ummm who wanted to keep waiting to flower?

Did ya think,,, never mind - your doing just fine.


Remember, in this hobby, we can still smoke our screw-ups.

 

[FRANKENBLUNT420]

aka FRIENDinDEED

aka FRIENDinDEED

Stitch has a really good point on washing.

Look on the bright side - for 2 guys that don't agree - the plant looks pretty healthy.



ummm who wanted to keep waiting to flower?

Did ya think,,, never mind - your doing just fine.


Remember, in this hobby, we can still smoke our screw-ups.

thing is that plant, among others i have was getting too big for my mom section of my veg cab, so i gave it to him, figured it made sense since we'd need to have one that big anyway. now when i gave it to him it was about 2'. he replanted it in his own soil, which is closer to BLAZEONEUP's soil mix; that explains why the nodes are so tight and the plant is so bushy.

it was relocated for clones and basically it would have perished if it stayed in my cab, it was bent twice and i mean at a 90 degree angle and still bounced back!! this guy does construction and got busy with other jobs, but the main thing is that he really doesnt communicate with me and never told me it got that big!! all the while that he was supposed to be taking clones, he was just letting it go; but he also explains that he wanted to see what a plant that size would yield. so its one cluster fuck after another and NOW this blackjack thing is kinda puttin me over the top with this shit, BUT before i jump ship i want to know what to expect from this most recent cluster fuck of his.

if i tell him to do one thing, i call later and find out hes done something else; when im thinking that one thing is happening i come to find out later that something else is happening instead; i even explain to him in detail WHY certain tasks NEED to be done right away, he takes his sweet time to do them. he thinks that because he followed a hydro grow, that he knows something and come to find out, he really doesnt know too much, doesnt want to pick up a book for shit. . . . . come to think of it, hes kinda like the newbs that come on here and talk like they know shit when they really dont, ya know?

stitch followed my last/ first SSH grow so i may just stitch up and see what i/we come up with.

ive got moms that i have to replant, and once i do ill have clones out the ass, ive still got my ORANGE BUD clone so im two strains strong, there are 9x ORANGE BUD and 14 (?)x SSH clones ready to be flowered, so either way im good!! if i didnt have anything going for me, i'd be on here cussin up a storm, but there really is no need for me to. once i go HE's going to be the one on stuck, check the sig/link below, my shit it kosher son! i'll be able to pitch most of it off and then have more than enough for myself, i dont even need whats at the other spot with my partner (partner for now).

so if theres something to reap them hell, im gonna reap it!! if not then the hell with it, ill take my gear back and keep it movin no prob.

oh and BTW the pic of the plant in the first post is what it looked like a couple weeks ago when i told him to take as many clones as he could and he didnt do it!! went and bought the supplies for this putz and everything man!! the plant looks nothing like that now!! that infestation was/is so bad it would make the most seasoned of growers cringe!! id love to smoke my screw ups but not if they may have good chance of making me impotent or some shit !!!

ill keep this thread updated and hope for more responses about the whole blackjack thing

EDIT: oh damn!! i just realized stitch showed up!!! thank you ganja gods!!! ok ill get to readin' and replyin'. ..

 

[FRANKENBLUNT420]

thank you thank you thank you!!!

thank you thank you thank you!!!

You know what to be safe, it wil act ass a pesticide to the plant, were the leaves wilted like that before he sprayed the plant?

You ever heard of that vegi wash stuff you use to wash your fruits and veggies with?

Mix some of that in a spray bottle and coat your whole plant down with it to remove residue off it. May take more than one spray down to remove it depending on how bad he sprayed the plants.......

I am not sure what damage it would do to the plants though it all depends

You can get any vegi wash product from grocery stores, that will help deplete some of the toxic stuff off the plant, good thing it does not have buds or you will have a HELL of a time, cause if he sprayed that shit on the buds, you might as well chop it and get rid of it. Would not even remotely take a chance smoking buds with that stuff sprayed on it.

Like rocky said, those strips work wonders and it's always good to have more than one thing to use when fighting mites since sometimes one way does not always kill them.
Using strips with something else on your plants like neem/safer soap, tobacco juice stuff like that.
I would make absolutely sure you rid your plants of that stuff before using anything else on your plants though.

ok the wash ive heard of, and i guess ill be the one going to look for it. i tried to beat it into this dudes head that these things (like blackjack andother insect sprays)DO leave some sort of residue and that spraying it with at least some regular tap water is in order.

mites are so damned small i didnt even think of strips but il get some up or tel him to get some up asap considering ROCKYMOUNTAINHI may have a point about the affects of the blackjack and mites.

oh stitch, you just dont understand how i layed into this cat about that whole spraying buds thing, he is very clear about that and understands that if that EVER happens again , its a true deal breaker. i dont care at what stage hes in, im taking my gear and im OUT!! so, on the real, hes damned lucky the plant was still in veg.

as far as what he did, he said he sprayed the entire plant, so (and i know hes not) but im thinking of him watering and that shit actually seeping into the soil, then what?!

 

[FRANKENBLUNT420]

looks like a small space - get a "No Pest Strip" - leave it in there for 2 to 4 weeks then pull the strip out.

the extra time is to make sure you get all the adults, then all the eggs as they hatch - usually about a 14 day life cycle

Good luck
as to the partners split - now you understand my reluctance. Looking back, be a friend and when your ready - do your own thing too.

Keep your friends close,,,,,

ps - I've done a lil reading about mites and the spray you mentioned has never come up as an effective control method for mites - so don't take it wrong if I'm betting on the mites.

yeah i know what you mean, i was reluctant as well , ESPECIALLY considering he doesnt smoke. smoke cigars but thats it. and to think this guy was supposed to be a co-chair in my faction!! lmao

its ok though, there are others just as eager.

 

[dontstepongrass]

did u switch handles in the middle of a thread? either that or im smoking too much of this shit... weird

 

[FRANKENBLUNT420]

did u switch handles in the middle of a thread? either that or im smoking too much of this shit... weird

roflmao! nah man, the handle you see here is my work handle, cant have too much gettin back to me ya know? but hey im honest about it as i am sure we all here understand the need to security via anonymity.

i realized i needed two when things got hairy or i was blazed and needed to get some shit off my chest, either in the den or the growers section. .. . or to blast a newb or two

 

[MynameStitch]

Either there is 2 things you can do to avoid getting run off into the soil when you wash them down.

Get some suran wrap and wrap the bottom up real good or after washing your plant you can flush out the soil real good


those are really the only 2 things you can do really..... besides by the time that plant gets done and near harvest with all the waterings your going to be doing by then most of it will be gone if any got into the soil

if he sprayed the soil then flush it out really good, I would flush the soil out after washing out the plants just to be safe, I would be paranoid knowing that shit was on my plants lol

 

[FRIENDinDEED]

Either there is 2 things you can do to avoid getting run off into the soil when you wash them down.

Get some suran wrap and wrap the bottom up real good or after washing your plant you can flush out the soil real good


those are really the only 2 things you can do really..... besides by the time that plant gets done and near harvest with all the waterings your going to be doing by then most of it will be gone if any got into the soil

if he sprayed the soil then flush it out really good, I would flush the soil out after washing out the plants just to be safe, I would be paranoid knowing that shit was on my plants lol

yeah thats what i was tellin this cat, but its hard for someone who doenst smoke, and really doenst have passion for cannabis to understand that.

its so funny when you think about the people you deal with (im thinking back to a statement he made about "people who tell you not to spray your plants with chemicals are just naturalists" which leads me to believe he MUST have forgotten that every aspect of what i do is organic), but i think that after this run with him im gonna just call it a day and leave it all alone. as things progress i am starting to see the forest for the trees and the more busy he gets the more the crop is gonna get neglected, which means more hasty actions on his part.

it was a cool idea in the beginning, but as the old saying goes " i can do bad all by myself"

ill get back to him about the saran wrap and make sure he gets it done. my crop will be in before that plant finishes so at least ill have something to compare it to. if hes seems funny compared to mine, then i just wont be able to smoke it on top of having to leave this venture alone.

stitch, rocky mountain- thanks for all the advice, not to say that this thread is over by a long shot, but at this point i think im gonna keep this as a testimonial as to why it may be a good idea to grow your own. . .literally!!!

i will keep things up to date as time goes on. . ..

 

[Luckygreenhand]

if you have the time... which i think you should be okay, just wrap the pot, etc if you did, rinse the plant out a few times (flush) a week for the next few and you should be okay.

 

[FRIENDinDEED]

if you have the time... which i think you should be okay, just wrap the pot, etc if you did, rinse the plant out a few times (flush) a week for the next few and you should be okay.

well so far, the cat says that everything is ok, but ill have to see what his idea of "OK" is when i finally make it up there.

ive realized that since its in veg it should be ok, nothing is being smoked, its a sativa so its gonna take a while to flower anyway, so a prob or two "should" clear up within a certain time.

i'll be bringin' my camera up there to take pics of everything so i can have an idea of the progress that the plants are making. from what hes told me i can gather that hes overwatering and doesnt think he is so wont admit he is. i already told him i only water either when the bags are light or after five days. i dont know.

i am asking questions of him, to really make a decision on whether to stick it out or not. but for the most part, i am leaning toward calling it a day after this run.