oldtimers esb and crosses

[chizzleonetime]

just did a search and couldnt really find anything on esb here wanted to know if anyone here had grown it and also if anyone knows where i can buy crosses of it, from sounds like some super potent green!

 

[zoolander]

is oldtimer a strain i have old timer esb was used in crosses by memy i think with calio african strain

 

[A.N.Other]

Oldtimer is a gardener. A damn fine one.

This is from the BCGA archive and then some more random tidbits from my OT1 archive:

ESB

This isn't really a BCGA strain. It is a hybrid that a friend donated to help raise some cash for the legal problems of another friend. He is a UK grower who likes his sativas, and crossed one of his best (ES) with a blueberry male. ES was made about 24 years ago between some Nigerian brought back from Africa and an early version of skunk No. 1 sent from California. Es is the strongest thing he has and says "often causing a complete white out, its like a roller coaster ride". He grew out the ESB and romberry side by side, here was his comments to me " If and when you grow out some es blue, early ones finish in about 50 to 55 days strength similar to the better Romberry's (5.5/10) I grew but more up. I have had the odd early ESB go hermy as a warning. The later ones take 65 to 70 days and are much much stronger (8/10) but with a very happy stone" They all taste nice the late ones have a lot more up reminiscent of the Nigerian in its past.

Yield the overall plant average was 43.25 g or 86.5 per sq ft @ 50w/ft
Availability: this is a one shot deal, no plans to restock.
Suggested Retail: $30 for 10 seeds

and this is from UK420:

I made two lots of esb the first in 97 and the second from reselected males in 98. I gave them away mainly to charity auctions but also friends. About 3000 in the first lot and 7000 in the second lot. It was/has and still is being grown all over the world, several seed makers have somehow obtained stock, whether pure or hacks I don’t know, they have made crosses with it including in Holland.

Depending on what its crossed with will depend on what the cross is like, they won’t be esb even if this is what they call them, they will carry some of the blood line though, so may have some of its traits, who knows, they may even be better.

Finally, no I’m not going to remake esb even though I still have the original gene lines, ie I have been there and done it. If I ever did make seeds again it would be to support this site and they would something new not reworked old ground.

some were released to the UK420 store but they were a limited old batch.

if you have any or are gifted any make F2s (though they will be intensely variable) and make them available to people as it is like hens teeth! i would love to have it in my garden and it is easily in my top strains of all time list.#

the only hyb i know of (but i am way out of the scene so take my word with a shitload of salt) is esb x holyweed.

Hmm a bit of info, as far as I know only two people kept Holyweed going in its original form and the two strains were slightly different probably because A_1 grew them at high elevation. A_1 was busted in 96/97 and my friend Danbo who was popped a couple of years back. Holyweed was a locally acclimated pure breeding sat from California, Danbo and A_1 both said it would not do indoors under lights. It will be a shame if its now gone in its original form. Both offered me any amount of seed and I turned them down, another mistake on my part, I think it would have just about grown in southern Spain or Portugal as it just about got by in Oregon.

Again apart from some of the older connoisseurs, the demand for sat bud round the bay area had almost gone supplanted by nondescript Dutch indica dominant vars of today that have so called bag appeal. Holyweed did not have that, it had a smell that some said was unpleasant others said was peppery, as in black pepper. It also was not a sweet smoke, but it was a brain ripper for some edging on trippy. I miss Dan not being around, an old school man and an extraordinarily exceptional all round dirt gardener.

Thanks for the pics u.

esb grew 15 to 18 ft in columner form under the big halide outdoors in So Cal yielding 2 to 5 lbs per plant. In Fl the other side it went more christmas tree shaped, more leaf, wide and shorter only 10 or 12 ft tall but still yeilded about 3 lb a plant, strange the changes a more humide wetter climate can make.

Hmm Dan told me holyweed was a pure sat line bred and selected for years in so cal, its interesting in how people like to say what is in things. If he made the cross, I would go for the esb x holyweed as a bet on a nice chance of a good combination for potent sat psychoactivity. It is likely to be better than either of the parents, only an old gits hunch.

You need real sun to maintain generations of sats like holyweed it can’t be done indoors.

i believe some peopl are workin with his haze collection to bring some seed to market, how far along this project is and what it consists of I don't know.

 

[Limeygreen]

I believe that ACE Seeds is working with OT1's haze and more information is in the Haze thread at their forum.

 

[Guest]

Hmm Dan told me holyweed was a pure sat line bred and selected for years in so cal, its interesting in how people like to say what is in things. If he made the cross, I would go for the esb x holyweed as a bet on a nice chance of a good combination for potent sat psychoactivity. It is likely to be better than either of the parents, only an old gits hunch.

The ESB x Holyweed created by Danbo is a fine Sativa. A good guy and breeder, another member of the Oldgits, oops meant Oldschool, shared them out for the love and we where lucky enough to be given them. Amazing spread of phenotypes in the F2 generation from the F1 created by Danbo, giving many possible directions and useful plants for those breeding with them.

These two Sativas contain some of the best selections of the oldgits from the best of the landraces found in Sativa lines around the world. Not 100% sure what either of them contain, but there is central African and Southern American genes as well as south Asian in them. They are stunning herbs, some of my personal favourites, best blow you head off.

We have used plants from within that line which we inbred to f4 and f5 in two directions in hybrids with Haze and old Skunk lines. They produce very vigorous F1's and wonderful active Sativa highs. The line we use at present is to be honest nothing like the OT ESb. Which we have grown from F2's of the original lines OT shared. We have selected very heavily for the Holyweed traits in the breeding line from the ESb/HW.

This line has a very strong high, but the plants are fatter of leaf and the structure of the plants tighter than the ESb traits. ESb is very special but needs selections as OT has always said for keeper mothers, they are in there for sure, its trippy but tricky.

There is some photos of La Mano Negra growing the ESB/HW f4 x Haze in this thread:

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=51260

Nice to see interest in these lines.

Peace, hhf

 

[chizzleonetime]

whoah went away for two days wasnt expectin this much info thanks guys guess ill just have to wait for f2's !!

 

[Haps]

Talk about timing, I just rolled up some of the ESB x Holyweed a bit ago, burned one, and here is this thread! I like the smoke, and the one I had was all ESB, no holyweed effect I can see, other than stretch. Nice blue flavor, hard nuggets, good sativa stone. Thanks HH.
H

 

[chizzleonetime]

just noticed the esb x holyweed x colombian seed's never grown landrace seeds before may have buy a pack n stick 1 or 2 in my tent with a couple of indicas so i got something to smoke well im waiting

 

[Guest]

Hola Haps,

Glad you liked her bro, real pleased. Yep, the line you have is the more ESb side of the hybrid in selections. Nice smoke i think..

Take care amigo.

Peace, hhf