OGKB, Ice Cream Cake, Whoa-Si-Whoa

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IL just passed recreational and I have my Med card now. So I am throwing my hat in the ring for indoor growing.

I have done some research and I am between these three OGKB, Ice Cream Cake, Whoa-Si-Whoa.

They all have a lot in common. Ice Cream Cake sounds like a nice heavy hitter with great taste but from what have read it's a little difficult to grow and has some mold issues if you don't watch it carefully.

Although I have 20 plus years of growing experience I'm a newbie to indoor growing so I wanted to get some feedback from my IC Mag familia.

Have you grown any of these cookie crosses and what did you think? Can a newbie handle these?

By the way I will be growing in what I know best soil.

 

[JetLife175]

That whoa-si is something I want to get into. Whatever cut top shelf cultivation out here in Cali is running is a head knocker for sure. I’m pulling up a seat for this one.

 

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Jet
Thanks for the reply and yes from what I have read she's a hard hitter. Have you had the chance to smoke this one? What was your experience?

 

[ESTERCHASER]

ice cream cake/wedding cake

ice cream cake/wedding cake

IL just passed recreational and I have my Med card now. So I am throwing my hat in the ring for indoor growing.

I have done some research and I am between these three OGKB, Ice Cream Cake, Whoa-Si-Whoa.

They all have a lot in common. Ice Cream Cake sounds like a nice heavy hitter with great taste but from what have read it's a little difficult to grow and has some mold issues if you don't watch it carefully.

Although I have 20 plus years of growing experience I'm a newbie to indoor growing so I wanted to get some feedback from my IC Mag familia.

Have you grown any of these cookie crosses and what did you think? Can a newbie handle these?

By the way I will be growing in what I know best soil.

Are wedding cake and ice cream cake similar? A buddy gave me a few grams of a cultivar called wedding cake, i really enjo y its profile but know nothing about it

 

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Ester
Thanks for the reply. They are both GSC crosses. I believe Wedding Cake is the more sought after but the cost for genetics is double the cost.

Wedding Cake=GSC X Cherry Pie
Ice Cream Cake=Gelato33 x Wedding Cake

I'm looking for growing experience of OGKB, Ice Cream Cake, Whoa-Si-Whoa. Outdoor experience would be a plus but not the goal.

 

[quiescent]

While there is a wedding cake of those genetics, ice cream cake has jbeezy's wedding cake as a parent. jbeezy's yields much better but has a different nose with an improved, more gassy flavor.

The GSC x Cherry Pie has a legit sweet vanilla/cherry smell in the bag. The flavor is more generic when smoked, does better vaped/as concentrate.

FWIW I enjoy both iterations of them for different reasons.

I've had ice cream cake flowers as well. Very good stuff but I prefer the jbeezy cut, the gelato adds a kind of generic sweetness and fuel backend to something that's unique enough to stand on its own. I'd say if you can determine the lineage that paying more for the wedding cake would probably be worth it whether its birthday cake's sister or the jbeezy.

I don't have firsthand experience with the OGKB clone but know that it would probably do the best outside in IL.

If you could sample the flowers it would definitely help you choose.

 

[madalasatori]

I have a cut that smells very meaty, I can’t remember if it’s ice cream cake or wedding cake

 

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While there is a wedding cake of those genetics, ice cream cake has jbeezy's wedding cake as a parent. jbeezy's yields much better but has a different nose with an improved, more gassy flavor.

The GSC x Cherry Pie has a legit sweet vanilla/cherry smell in the bag. The flavor is more generic when smoked, does better vaped/as concentrate.

FWIW I enjoy both iterations of them for different reasons.

I've had ice cream cake flowers as well. Very good stuff but I prefer the jbeezy cut, the gelato adds a kind of generic sweetness and fuel backend to something that's unique enough to stand on its own. I'd say if you can determine the lineage that paying more for the wedding cake would probably be worth it whether its birthday cake's sister or the jbeezy.

I don't have firsthand experience with the OGKB clone but know that it would probably do the best outside in IL.

If you could sample the flowers it would definitely help you choose.

Much appreciated especially about asking for samples. I haven't purchased weed in over 20yrs. and everything I grew was from seeds. It never occurred to me to ask for a sample hehehehe.

I did some research and thought OGKB would be the best for outdoors too. I really appreciate you taking the time to reply.

I am going to pick two of these strains and OGKB will be one. Its hard to stop thinking like a guerrilla after 23 years. I am leaning towards the ICC as the second. I have searched the web and cant find much about Whoa SI Whoa. I want some real world input.

IC mag really is the best place to get real informations from real growers.


This is the info I was able to find about Whoa Si Whoa:

Top Shelf Cultivation out of Long Beach California offers a menu full of stacked genetics. With over twenty years of growing experience, starting in the Emerald Triangle before moving south their experience shines through their cannabis. The Whoa-Si-Whoa strain won the 2019 Central Valley High Times Cannabis Cup. It took home the trophy for the Best Indica Flower.

This banger is a straight indica bred from The White and Dos-Si-Dos. This strain somehow tests above 30 percent THC regularly on test results. Top-Shelf Cultivation receives its genetics directly from breeders for a reason. They want to be selective about the genetics they bring into their farm because they only want the best.

The THC percentage listed on the jar had me a bit skeptical. I prefer terpenes and flavor to a high THC content, but the piney aroma leaking from the jar convinced me otherwise. I knew this was going to be packed full of flavor and cannabinoids.

The tightly packed nugs present with an almost white frost. I left the jar open on my table while the aroma filled my living room. It smelled just like Christmas, with a brightly lit pine tree resting festively in the corner. Each nug in the jar felt soft and squishy like a pillow. A dough flavor stood out with a strong piney aroma while I smoked. Immediately my eyelids felt heavy, my fingers started to slow down on my keyboard, and the munchies kicked in hard. The Whoa-Si-Whoa strain definitely lives up to expectations and the hype.

 

[quiescent]

Something about ice cream cake popped into my mind, definitely had a baby poop element to things. I think that was a kind of polarizing thing for me. I'd assume we're talking about the same clone here. I like my cookies based stuff to be more cookies if that makes sense. I even go through the trouble of avoiding feeding fish or animal processing byproducts with my sweet stuff.

I ran a pack of white animal cookies and it was some good stuff.

Just remember that the percentages on the jar are just numbers on the side of a jar, its the contents and how they effect you that count. I assume that you'll be able to find at least some nugs you can see and smell, maybe not, I know the purchasing in most states is fucky.

I've sampled most of the big things floating around pure and crossed and can say once you get to a certain level of quality its really just personal preference on what checkmarks you're looking for, plants and smoke. There's really nothing that's going to blow your mind effects wise vs another unless it really meshes well with your body chemistry, set and setting.

A lot of stuff seems really generic out there on the cookie cross front, especially in effect. I love me some cookies but for the most part they're like riding a roller coaster at the state fair while ECSD or the like are taking you on a trip to six flags or disney land. If you're only doing 2 varieties outdoors I'd suggest a cookie cross and something else just for varieties sake unless you've got some supplemental indoors or whatever.

I'm sure at the end of it you'll be smoking on some kill and you get to try new flavors you grew so I think that you'd be happy with any of them.

I'll also put it out there that you can get cannarado's birthday cake crosses/s1, a sister of forum x cherry pie wedding cake for a steal of a deal if you buy a couple packs somewhere. There's even jbeezy's wedding cake x birthday cake. I have a gang of these crosses to sift through.

 

[art.spliff]

Your three choices are like three orange crayons to draw or three varieties of red beets to make sugar, in other words the same thing or close to it. I will say commercial indoor strains in addition to other descriptions. Not my cup of tea, at a glance, and I have not grown or smoked for the better part of 20 years either. There is such a thing as novice and also simply a different preference, as far as I can tell all of these are the same thing kissing cousins Maltese or Lhasa Apso etc. copying a name brand is the definition of unoriginal commercial, the more seed packs and brands there are based on growing some kind of cookie variety only results in my wanting to grow them less, which I had no intention of looking for as a personal grower consumer connoisseur. If you like to smoke it go ahead I prefer something else. The number of places and people naming the same variety with only one or two letters switched around is unappealing at best. Who knows where if any there's a place for this kind of rant but I'll say it again if literally everyone is growing cake then it doesn't say very much altogether. You want to call it a double edged sword or paradox or balance or something like that idk, if brands use a cookie name or clone to gain attention of an audience, they are doing it for business. Variety is exciting in my opinion, the lowest common denominator is worth nada zero do not want, your thoughts views may vary.

 

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Your three choices are like three orange crayons to draw or three varieties of red beets to make sugar, in other words the same thing or close to it. I will say commercial indoor strains in addition to other descriptions. Not my cup of tea, at a glance, and I have not grown or smoked for the better part of 20 years either. There is such a thing as novice and also simply a different preference, as far as I can tell all of these are the same thing kissing cousins Maltese or Lhasa Apso etc. copying a name brand is the definition of unoriginal commercial, the more seed packs and brands there are based on growing some kind of cookie variety only results in my wanting to grow them less, which I had no intention of looking for as a personal grower consumer connoisseur. If you like to smoke it go ahead I prefer something else.

Thanks for the reply. I agree as I mentioned in the beginning of the thread they were all cookie derivatives. So I knew there would be similarities. There may be some miscommunication because what i meant is I have been guerrilla growing for the last 20+ years.

Everything I grew was from seeds . Nothing was done indoors 100% outdoors start to finish. Thats why I have never had any of the elite clone only strains or done any pheno hunting. Nothing , notta being grown indoors.

This is all brand new to me.

 

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Something about ice cream cake popped into my mind, definitely had a baby poop element to things. I think that was a kind of polarizing thing for me. I'd assume we're talking about the same clone here. I like my cookies based stuff to be more cookies if that makes sense. I even go through the trouble of avoiding feeding fish or animal processing byproducts with my sweet stuff.

I ran a pack of white animal cookies and it was some good stuff.

Just remember that the percentages on the jar are just numbers on the side of a jar, its the contents and how they effect you that count. I assume that you'll be able to find at least some nugs you can see and smell, maybe not, I know the purchasing in most states is fucky.

I've sampled most of the big things floating around pure and crossed and can say once you get to a certain level of quality its really just personal preference on what checkmarks you're looking for, plants and smoke. There's really nothing that's going to blow your mind effects wise vs another unless it really meshes well with your body chemistry, set and setting.

A lot of stuff seems really generic out there on the cookie cross front, especially in effect. I love me some cookies but for the most part they're like riding a roller coaster at the state fair while ECSD or the like are taking you on a trip to six flags or disney land. If you're only doing 2 varieties outdoors I'd suggest a cookie cross and something else just for varieties sake unless you've got some supplemental indoors or whatever.

I'm sure at the end of it you'll be smoking on some kill and you get to try new flavors you grew so I think that you'd be happy with any of them.

I'll also put it out there that you can get cannarado's birthday cake crosses/s1, a sister of forum x cherry pie wedding cake for a steal of a deal if you buy a couple packs somewhere. There's even jbeezy's wedding cake x birthday cake. I have a gang of these crosses to sift through.

Dude a lot of nuggets in there. Yeah I am really excited about this adventure. Everything you said about reaching a level of quality and after that is small nuances. That is gold!!! Its true of course but as a guerrilla I haven't climbed the hill yet. Everything is focused on finish time , pest and disease resistance. I looking forward to reaching that pinnacle.

I assume you are talking seeds vs clones on your recommendations. I am so new to this pheno hunting is out of my league. I really appreciate you jumping in and helping a brother out.

 

[quiescent]

Dude a lot of nuggets in there. I assume you are talking seeds vs clones. I am so new to this pheno hunting is out of my league.

I really appreciate you jumping in and helping a brother out.

Talking about the clones all the way except where I mention cannarado and the white animal cookies, in support of a possible whoa-si-whoa addition.

No problem at all. This is what I like doing on these forums, helping people grow plants and stuff is nice and all but I really just nerd out on the varietals. I do the same with heirloom tomatoes, I love the differences in things.

You can google and figure out how to grow on your own but someone with an open palette developed professionally via food/wine/whiskey, not ruined by cigarettes and nose candy that's grown hundreds (sampled thousands?) of varieties isn't too common so I focus there.

Pheno hunting isn't too crazy, hardest part is figuring out how you like to germ the seeds to maximize your opportunities. From there its just a showing up, keeping em green and not letting a rogue hermie go wild thing. Smoking, smelling and scrutinizing how they grow and whatnot vs each other is all fun. I see the allure of growing from clone only strains as well, I like the adventure of seeds.

 

[art.spliff]

Chunkypigs is the best source for OGKB. The second two sound like internet cowboys no pun no offense directly intended. If one has mendo purps, second or third hand or fourth or fifth hand mid west something or other maybe that is ok for Illinois. Not so much of a big deal really other than documented evidence and proof. I would buy a pack from Chunkypigs the others are less appealing in my opinion. There's no need for an actual super bowl for cannabis smoking competitions are held for that. Ponder one how one exists whoa si doesn't sound like something I have seen or heard of before I guess it might be really new? or seomthig and it also doesn't sound good I recommend citrus sativas more open pollinated varieties in my opinion.

 

[ESTERCHASER]

im enthused!

im enthused!

I cant wait to learn MORE!
I gotta try more GSC!

 

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Chunkypigs is the best source for OGKB. The second two sound like internet cowboys no pun no offense directly intended. If one has mendo purps, second or third hand or fourth or fifth hand mid west something or other maybe that is ok for Illinois. Not so much of a big deal really other than documented evidence and proof. I would buy a pack from Chunkypigs the others are less appealing in my opinion. There's no need for an actual super bowl for cannabis smoking competitions are held for that. Ponder one how one exists whoa si doesn't sound like something I have seen or heard of before I guess it might be really new? or seomthig and it also doesn't sound good I recommend citrus sativas more open pollinated varieties in my opinion.

Thanks for the reply. I appreciate you taking the time.

Have to be honest not really sure I learned much. A lot of strong opinions but nothing about I can use in my research.

I have read a lot about Chunkys OKGB 2.0 and would love to have a cut from the original mom.

In the future I hope to get better at pheno hunting but for now I am using my cannabis bible ,"IC mag" to help me in my research.