Nute Confusion? Experience required w/ Gravity,PBPB,LK,FFBB,& others!

[DRKN_MNKY420]

Ok so here is the deal. I have been reading on IC about the products I have been using all year. And I keep hearing all different things, so I guess I just want to dial in on the products I have been using.

First question, I am curious, one thread talked about using PBP, LK, and FFBB in there mix. Isn't Fox Farm Big Bloom the same thing as Pure Blend Pro Bloom???? Why would you use two bloom products or is Big Bloom an enhancer????

Next question, Humbolt Gravity. What is this exactly? Is this like a Sweetner? Is there other products that would essentially do the same thing as Gravity by different companies???

I have been using PBPB and LK as the instructions on the label say. 30ml bloom and 10ml of LK/gal. I have been using espoma granulated lime in my soil instead of cal/mag. Is this the reason I am getting some yellowing? O yes, Almost forgot to mention I am using Fox Farm OF blend w/ 30% perlite and the espoma lime.

Last question, I really would like to increase my yeild and make my buds fatter and thicker. Are there some products that would work w/ my current mix I am using?

I am trying to target the people w/ some experience on this one. Please help me out and try to answer my three questions. If I am going to add a new product to my brew, I would like to do it this weekend as Sunday will mark the end of week 3 of bloom.

THANK YOU!
DRKN_MNKY420

 

[Guest]

You are probably experiencing yellowing due to a nitrogen defeciency I you have been feeding them PBP bloom,you want to stay with a high N fert the frirst 2-3 weeks of 12/12.PBP bloom and big bloom are totally different,PBP being worth the money.Big bloom is overpriced liquified worp poop.I like their grow big and tiger bloom though.I also use PBP and LK exactly as directed.I've never heard of Humbolt gravity but anything with the word Humbolt in it is going to carry a hefty price tag I reckon.The only thing thats actually increased weight at harvest time is adding co2 enrichment during flower,this cant be done with fly by night techniques like dry ice,making wine or paintball cannisters,a generator or tank and regulator with controller is required.If you use loww wattage HID's flowering larger plants undert 1K HID's may up your yield a bit

 

[DRKN_MNKY420]

Thanks for the reply. It sounds like you are telling me to keep on doin what I'm doin.

I did try a sample this time around of Bushmaster during the first two weeks of bloom. I have currently stopped using it now that week two has ended. I got this from the local hydro shop.

You mention tiger bloom and grow big. Would you recommend I add these products to my brew? Will tiger bloom take care of my yellowing or increase flavor or tric production? They have this at the local hydro shop too.

And that Gravity stuff I have heard is the SHIT, but it cost 30 bucks for a very small amount at the local hydro shop. I just want to know what type of supplement it is and if other companies make similiar products that have good results.

FYI: I am a micro grower w/ cfl's. I also use Molasses for last week or so of bloom. Then one final flush.

First grow had four plants, flushed two and no flush on the other two. I noticed a little snap crackle pop in the one plant that I did not flush and very little crackle in the other non flushed plant. Flushed plants where great!

THANKS AGAIN!

 

[Pops]

I use molasses all the way through. It is not for the plants. It feeds the beasties in the soil.

 

[texasluv]

Gravity is to add weight and density - it is an additive and works pretty well. This will make your buds bigger and denser. It is very expensive, but you use very little so that bottle will go a long way. I use Purple Maxx Snow Storm, which is made by the same company and I love it, even though it costs $100/qt. I believe that Fox Farms beastie bloomz and cha-ching will give you similar results as the Gravity. I use all the Fox Farm 3-part (open sesame, beastie, cha-ching) along with Advanced Big Bud, CarboLoad, and Overdrive.

I use Big Bloom instead of PBP simply because I can't stand the way PBP makes my room smell- that stuff is nasty, or maybe my bottle is just fouled. Either way, I am a big fan of Big Bloom- it has greatly helped with the taste of my product.

As far as adding Grow Big or Tiger Bloom to your current feeding schedule, I can't help there as I don't have any background with the nutes you are using. There are plenty of IC members here that will be of more help.

 

[Mrpiston38]

there is also a company out of holland and its called House and garden. they offer a total fert plan the most people don't kno about. if someone can pm me and tell me how to upload photos to a message i can take a pick of them to show you what the are. but i have purple maxx snow and gravity and love them. what is Open sesame? i have and have never used it before?

 

[DRKN_MNKY420]

Thank you for all the replies.

I am sold on the Gravity stuff, but I wish I could get the same results w/ something a bit cheaper.

So now we got Cha ching, Open Sesame, Beasties & Tiger Bloom all by Fox Farm. Are these supplements different than PBPB, LK, Gravity and Molasses? I don't want to add something that is already their.

I am NOT changing my PBPB, LK, and Molasses(maybe use this more) use! So basically I need to figure out which of these products I can add to my brew to help my grow along w/out changing my current nutes.

I went to FOXFARMS website and read their feeding chart for soil, damn they got you putting a lot of different shit in your brew. I also read about those other three products mentioned above and they sound good, but are any of them similiar to LK?

POPS- you use it all the time?? do you use any products like Liquid Karma or other catalyst w/ it?

I feel we are getting somewhere, but just not exactly what I am looking for. So please consider what I am using and what I can add to it w/out taking anything away and w/out overlapping my current products!

THANKS,
DRKN_MNKY420

 

[DRKN_MNKY420]

Gravity is to add weight and density - it is an additive and works pretty well. This will make your buds bigger and denser. It is very expensive, but you use very little so that bottle will go a long way. I use Purple Maxx Snow Storm, which is made by the same company and I love it, even though it costs $100/qt. I believe that Fox Farms beastie bloomz and cha-ching will give you similar results as the Gravity. I use all the Fox Farm 3-part (open sesame, beastie, cha-ching) along with Advanced Big Bud, CarboLoad, and Overdrive.

Hey, Are you putting all these products in your mix using the instructions on the bottle???? Is your mix a little HOT? Gravity, Purple Max, Cha Ching, Beasties, Open Sesame, Advanced Big Bud, CarboLoad, and Overdrive, This Seems like a lot of shit to feed your plants. You mentioned that the Beasties and Cha Ching are similiar to Gravity, So are you using all three products together??

I am just a little confused as to what you are doing exactly that is why I am asking.

THANKS

 

[Pops]

DM, I use PBP and LK as well. I find that I have to add epsom salts as the PBP doesn't have enough magnesium. Yes, I use molasses all the way from veg to harvest. It is actually to feed the mychorrizae in the soil, to build the microherd.

 

[greenisgold]

KISS. In other words, don't give them to much love or you will F them up. I use FF, but have never used any of their cha ching or shit like that. Sure it works, but be very carefull with bud blasters the first time you use them. If you do not add them at the right time, then you can do more harm then good. I have used top max, koolbloom and a few others and have screwed up a few gals because of them. FF has a great feeding schedule. I do not follow it any more, but they used to say to add grow big at week 4 or 5 of 12/12 along with BB. I still do this if I see the plants start to yellow some. Think out of the box!
Some of my biggest plants (8 oz's dried indoors-one plant) came from using nothing but GB, BB and TB and that is it. Do not forget to adjust PH. TB drops ph like a rock.
Peace and check my gallery-all using FF products

 

[Mrpiston38]

well i use 2 different types of fert progams... one is

and the other I have yet to use but have heard great things about is

i have had greater succes with my first pics newts then anything but home and gardern out of holland is great stuff too.

 

[DRKN_MNKY420]

Thanks to all who responded!

I still have not decided exactly what to get, except I wish I had 30 bucks to spend on that Gravity shit.

Greenisgold- I think I agree with your theories on too much is not always good. That is why I want to get the right products the first time around and understand how to use them. Then stick with it. So I think my game plan might be to get the Gravity, get some of these fungi Pops is talkin about, and use my molasses and epsom salt more.

Pops- I have been researching those mychorrizae organisms your talking about and I was wondering if they are already in my soil from Fox Farms Ocean Forest Blend ??? If so, I better get feeding them, because I found experimental pictures of people use some of these products w/ the mychorrizae in them and wow they showed a major difference in plant growth.

And if NOT, I am definitely getting some. I found this stuff called Plant Success Granules, 2-2-2, for 24 applications it was 12 dollars, shipping included or they had it in Tablets, 40 tabs was 18 dollars w/ shipping. Is this good stuff??? You can add it to the soil mix, on the top of the soil, or That is not to pricey. I will stop in at the hydro store this weekend and see if they have any first. Thank YOU for the info pops.

One more thing Pops, How much epsom salt do you add and how often do you feed it epsom salt. I have some already. Every watering or only feedings???

MrP- Thanks for the photos and nute reports, but I am planning to use my nutes I have until they are gone, so it could be a while before I need some more. I appreciate the advice on the Humbolts products, I definitely want those! Glad to see you figured out how to use your photos.

I threw this update pic of my new NLxEP strain. Hopes ya like.
Peace,
DRKN_MNKY420

 

[Mrpiston38]

I kno that most hydro shops sell the micro newts and things u can add to ur soil. I think its a good idea to go the the shop before you order something thats wrong. and the ebsome salt is used for balancing ph w/ fert feedings.

Mr p

 

[Americangrower]

Gravity and bushmaster are not organic, purple max is..if you care.

I use BioBizz grow/bloom/top max/root stimulator..with L karma, hygrozyme, superthrive B, cal/mag,B'cuzz/atom pk13/14...

nothing beats organic....

 

[Pops]

DM, you will have some mychorrizae in your Fox Farm soil or any soil that has not been sterilized. You will also have it in the air around you. If you leave a bucket of water for several days, you will feel a slick film on top of the water after the second or 3rd day. That slick film is mychorrizae. The granules that you mentioned are fine, but be careful using them on new cuts or seedlings,as they also contain ferts and may burn new plants if you use too much. There is also a powder that they carry at hydro stores, but it is about $65 for 8 oz.

Epsom salts are not used,as one poster suggested,to balance PH. Dolomite and crushed oyster shell are used for that. Epsom salts are used to add Magnesium to your soil, as MJ is a mag hog, and PBP does not provide enough. I add 1 tsp per gallon when I feed. You should be able to look at your plants and tell if they need mag. In the cannibis infirmary, there is a thread by MY Name Stitch which has pictures of nute deficiency..

Sometimes,we get all caught up using every additive known to man. My biggest and best crop was using plain tap water and Peter's 20-20-20. I was too dumb back then to even PH the water, which I have since found out is 8.5 from the tap. Maybe it was beginners luck or the 26 gal. containers I used and 10 weeks of veg, but I got 9 lbs. from 18 plants.