North Carolina first to unveil North American Union ID

[dwtc]

STOP THE MADNESS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,VOTE RON PAUL

 

[Guest]

I must say this isn't a proud moment for my state! I just got a new licence and was wondering what in the hell that hologram was. This really pisses me off.

And voting for ron paul wont change anything. He wants to protect SOME civil liberties while getting rid of the rest. Sounds like same shit different person to me.

 

[HAPPYTREE]

And voting for ron paul wont change anything. He wants to protect SOME civil liberties while getting rid of the rest. Sounds like same shit different person to me.

He wants to do away with the free trade agreement try to create eqaulity across the border and (which will hopefully slow the demand to immmigrate to this country) and uphold the soverenty of our nation.

I am the furthest thing from a conservative republican, Try green,radical LIberal
But he does not except large corporate cotributions.,i do not agree withsome of the anti abortion laws and some other I deas he has broughten to the table.

ALL IN ALL I think hes just trying top keep this ship a float

HT.

dennis kucinich is another candidiate to look at but he dosnt even have the play that ron paul is getting.

 

[Guest]

He wants to do away with the free trade agreement try to create eqaulity across the border and (which will hopefully slow the demand to immmigrate to this country) and uphold the soverenty of our nation.

I’m aware and that’s great and all but I’m not going to endorse a guy who wants to save some civil liberties and trampling over the rest. The whole voting for a lesser evil thing has been done before and it doesn’t work. It just makes things worse or keeps them the same.

ALL IN ALL I think hes just trying top keep this ship a float

BOOOOO! I’ve had enough of reform I say its time we sink this damn ship!!!

dennis kucinich is another candidiate to look at but he dosnt even have the play that ron paul is getting.

Dennis Kucinich wants everything Ron Paul wants except he doesn’t want to protect some civil liberties while having a total disregard for everything else. Also what kind of play is Ron Paul getting out of anyone other than the cannabis community? He has like less than 1% of the republican vote

 

[D Rock]

Also what kind of play is Ron Paul getting out of anyone other than the cannabis community? He has like less than 1% of the republican vote

WHAT?????

I thought it was way more than that,

 

[ItsGrowTime]

Where Ron Paul ties in is that he is the only 2008 candidate that is not a member of the CFR. The SPP (spp.gov) is the action arm of the CFR (cfr.org) and is behind this move toward the NAU. It would stop dead in its tracks if Ron Paul were to be elected.
Dont be fooled by the bogus 1-3% "poll" numbers. That is just mainstream media protecting itself and trying to keep him as a 2nd tier candidate. Ron has placed high (or outright won) many straw polls across the country and his campaign is growing by leaps and bounds.

EDIT: Im not sure what liberties you think RP is going to trounce but his platform is based on restoring our Constitutional liberties. Do some research before you spout off about something you don't know. Btw, wasn't trying to turn this into another RP thread, just felt it necessary to correct misinformation.

 

[Kailua Kid]

I’m aware and that’s great and all but I’m not going to endorse a guy who wants to save some civil liberties and trampling over the rest. The whole voting for a lesser evil thing has been done before and it doesn’t work. It just makes things worse or keeps them the same.

Dennis Kucinich wants everything Ron Paul wants except he doesn’t want to protect some civil liberties while having a total disregard for everything else. Also what kind of play is Ron Paul getting out of anyone other than the cannabis community? He has like less than 1% of the republican vote

How about citing some of the civil liberties Ron Paul wants to trample all over.
And how about sourcing your 1% figure. Last I saw Ron Paul had more public support than all the other Republican candidates combined.

 

[Jack D Ripper]

Im pro-NAU, why is everyone so against it? I think the whole world would be a lot better off under one government, and this is a step in the right direction.

The article linking a globe hologram to an international conspiracy is total horse shit. CONSERVATIVE PROPAGANDA to the core, and you all lapped it up like you were supposed to.

I <3 UNITY

 

[Guest]

Dont be fooled by the bogus 1-3% "poll" numbers. That is just mainstream media protecting itself and trying to keep him as a 2nd tier candidate. Ron has placed high (or outright won) many straw polls across the country and his campaign is growing by leaps and bounds.

Don’t fool yourself by all the hype the cannabis community has been giving Ron Paul he has no chance to win and while his support might be slightly higher than 1% it still isn’t very high at all.

Also do you guys remember a guy named Howard Dean in '04? The guy was getting tons of hype like ron paul is from people on the internet and every where else. He had tons of money and donations. He was winning straw polls and then when it came down to it he choked. Samething's gunna happen here.

How about citing some of the civil liberties Ron Paul wants to trample all over.

You’ll have to excuse me the Gallup poll taken in July was a whopping 3% not 1% and in most polls he gets a 1-3% vote. Even in more recent polls. I’m not a big believer in polls either, but when you’re getting 1-3% it obviously shows something.

-First he wants to build a 700 mile fence between Mexico and United States. I think this is just disgusting.

-He is against abortion. Its not your body Ron Paul keep out and quit infringing on a women’s right! He’s tried to pass two bills that would allow states to ban abortion. Sorry but protecting a womens right to her body is more important to me than my right to smoke pot.

-He called “don’t ask don’t tell” a decent policy and is against gay marriage. I mean just who does Ron Paul think he is? If a gay couple wants to get married it’s their own damn business.

 

[NiteTiger]

In all fairness, the abortion thing is not a trampling of constitutional rights. It's, as said, a return of Constitutional rights, by placing the power back in the state's hands, where it belongs.

That doesn't make him anti-abortion, but pro state's rights, which would be a great transition, especially in MMJ states.

And why is the fence disgusting?

 

[Guest]

That doesn't make him anti-abortion, but pro state's rights, which would be a great transition, especially in MMJ states.

State laws/federal laws/etc. shouldn't be dictating what a women can and cannot do with her body and he is a well known pro-lifer so i don't know how it doesn't make him anti-abortion. have you even read the two bills he tried to pass concerning this?

And why is the fence disgusting?

I don't believe countries or states should be allowed to restrict the free movement of people. people should be allowed to move from place to place as they choose. i don't believe in citizenships and i certainly don't belive in imaginary lines called boarders. also, he's trying to restrict the movement of poor immigrants to the United States who are trying to flee horrendous situations many of us in the United States can't comprehend. it wont solve the problems of mass immigration. you think a fense is going to stop poor working folks from crossing?? bwhahahaha. spend the money else where and use it to help people dammit, give them what we have here. its possible, but i guess a fense is more important or something.

i'll be the first person to say we have to many people coming to the united states but ill be the last person we need more fenses.

 

[NiteTiger]

State laws/federal laws/etc. shouldn't be dictating what a women can and cannot do with her body

I agree, so it's our responsibility to make sure those laws aren't passed by voting, representing yourself at the poles, letting your voice be heard.

Are pro-lifer's beliefs less important than yours? I'm pro-life, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't respect the law of the land. I also, while being pro-life, still respect the sanctity of a woman's body, to a point - i.e. late term abortions.

have you even read the two bills he tried to pass concerning this?

Actually, no. Do you have a link? I was working from your opinion and response to them.

I don't believe countries or states should be allowed to restrict the free movement of people. people should be allowed to move from place to place as they choose. i don't believe in citizenships and i certainly don't belive in imaginary lines called boarders. also, he's trying to restrict the movement of poor immigrants to the United States who are trying to flee horrendous situations many of us in the United States can't comprehend.

We'll have to agree to disagree here, on many levels.

it wont solve the problems of mass immigration. you think a fense is going to stop poor working folks from crossing?? bwhahahaha. spend the money else where and use it to help people dammit,

Won't know until we try

give them what we have here.

No.

its possible, but i guess a fense is more important or something.

More important than what?

i'll be the first person to say we have to many people coming to the united states [/quote]

At least we agree on one thing

but ill be the last person we need more fenses.

I can see your point, but then there's always the other side of the coin - Good fences make good neighbors :wink:

 

[Guest]

I'm busy at work so I'll have to get a link for you on those bills later.

Are pro-lifer's beliefs less important than yours?

No I don't think that at all, in fact I'm glad there are people out there who disagree with me. I might be get a little agressive sometimes in the heat of a debate though and come off that way.

 

[dwtc]

he doesn,t believe in federal funded abortions, or federally funded anything. why should i have to pay for something i don't believe in, and why should you pay for something YOU don't believe in. let the states decide if they want to have them or not. i believe in individual rights, the same as the constitution. if a state is trying to pass a law that you don't like, get off your ass and do something about it. thats the whole problem now a days, we've become a lazy country letting the gov. think for us and controle us, when in fact WE THE PEOPLE should controle government.

I'M AGAINST AMNESTY,,,,,,,, therefore i'm for RON PAUL. i don't mind LEGAL IMAGRANTS, but why should i have to pay for somebody that is an illegal. I WORK DAMN HARD FOR MY MONEY and don't like having to give it to someone that doesn't want to work(wellfare), or somebody that doesn't go through the propper channels and become legal, the right way.

KUCINICH is a member of the CFR and so is all other REP. or DEM. canidate except RON PAUL. if they all have the same goal, how can they be different?

JACK DA RIPPER, are you serious? i for one will not give up my sovernty so that the ELITES of the world can rule me the way they see fit. if the NAU succeeds our constitution is out the window and so are our rights, only to have a new constitution written and you can believe you want have the rights you have now.


PLEASE TELL ME WHAT CIVAL LIBERTY'S WILL BE GIVEN UP BY ABIDING BY THE CONSTITUTION?


stay safe and free,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,dwtc

 

[Jack D Ripper]

Im completely serious. Were not getting rid of our constitution, were just opening borders and working together for economic leverage. I assure you the US will still be a sovereign nation

 

[HCSmyth]

Here is my warning to everyone:

Just as I feel George Bush is NOT the Anti-Christ I also believe Ron Paul is not world's newest Jesus Christ. They are just people! Ron Paul does have lots of fresh ideas that should be considered.

That said:

Very simply the state governments should make counterfeit proof IDs just like the federal government should print counterfeit proof money. But that is all they should do. We should do away with the creeper parts of the Patriot act and any domestic spying. Furthermore, laws should be made to prevent this from ever happening.

Secondly, US/Canada/Mexico needs strong economic ties in order to compete with the likes of European Union and emerging economies like China and India. But sovereignty must be still maintained.

Al-qaeda I do not believe is that interested in making new large scale traditional attacks inside the US. Rather I believe they are occupied in destabilizing the governments of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and most importantly Pakistan. I believe Al-qaeda would like to, sometime down the road, use a covert nuclear attack on the US or US interests.

 

[dwtc]

Im completely serious. Were not getting rid of our constitution, were just opening borders and working together for economic leverage. I assure you the US will still be a sovereign nation

thats what the people of europe thought. when some country's dissagreed with there NEW CONSTITUION and voted against it, they still passed that constitution. so yes a new constitution would have to be written, because the three different country's govern differently.

 

[Guest]

he doesn,t believe in federal funded abortions, or federally funded anything. why should i have to pay for something i don't believe in, and why should you pay for something YOU don't believe in.

I don’t disagree with you but I think you’re missing my point.

let the states decide if they want to have them or not.

Sorry but I don’t want the state or anyone else deciding what’s best for a women or anyone else. Mind your own damn business and stay out of our personal lives. Same thing applies to Ron Paul’s position on gay marriage.

Just because he wants to leave the decisions up to each individual state doesn’t mean he isn’t pro-life & against abortion either.

i believe in individual rights, the same as the constitution. if a state is trying to pass a law that you don't like, get off your ass and do something about it.

I hate statements like this, who in the hell says I am not already trying to do something about it and you can only do so much. If the state or federal government decided to ban abortion does that mean we’ve been sitting around on our asses or something? Get real. and even if a majority of the people in my state felt abortion was wrong, and wanted to outlaw it, its still none of their business.

and voting only changes so much. i personally think its a waste of time and i've never voted for an elected offical. quit giving the lesser evils power they're no different than abosulte evil.

thats the whole problem now a days, we've become a lazy country letting the gov. think for us and controle us, when in fact WE THE PEOPLE should controle government.

I don’t think anyone here lets the United States government think for them or else we all wouldn't be damn potheads. Quit making comments out of left field that have nothing to do with what we're talking about.

 

[dwtc]

hbl what point am i missing?


when i say let the states decide, i mean let the people of the states vote on it. some may agree some may not.

i for one believe it's thats persons god givin right to do whatever he, or she wants to do to there body, who am i to tell you how to live. who is the gov. to tell us how to live.

i never said he wasn't pro life, but he's not trying to push his beliefs down our throats, he lets US decide.


i never said you wasn't trying to do something. but if you don't vote you aint doin shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this will be the first time i've ever voted, and i have finally found something better than big corporate canidates that only care about themselves and power.

my dad always told me "if you don't vote, you can't complain" and i haven't untill now.


what you hate the statement that i believe in the constitution, and that if you want something done you gotta get off your ass to change it? the comment wasn't directed at you personaly, i never said "HEAVYBONGLOADS youve been sitting on your ass and now abortion has been banned" come on dude!

the federal government doesn't have the right to ban it, or fund it. THATS THE PIONT!



stay safe and free,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,DWTC

 

[Guest]

i never said he wasn't pro life, but he's not trying to push his beliefs down our throats, he lets US decide.

Except he wants to pass bills that allow the state of vote on these things. Again, I don’t want you or anyone else voting on what I can and cannot do with my own body. It’s not your property its mine.

Just like no one should be voting on who should be able marry and who shouldn't when its none of your damn bussiness in the first place.

i never said you wasn't trying to do something. but if you don't vote you aint doin shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this will be the first time i've ever voted, and i have finally found something better than big corporate canidates that only care about themselves and power.

That’s the biggest crock I have ever heard. If you don’t vote you aren’t doing shit? I hate when people say shit like that, and they are usually the kind of people who do nothing for 3 ½ years, and then when its election time they get semi interested for about half a year and then vote. It pisses me off, and then they try to tell me I don’t have a right to complain because I don’t’ vote. Sorry, but I got reasons not to vote and I am taking a stand no matter how little it is. It’s not like I’m not voting because I wanted to sleep in or something. Let’s not be so narrow-minded here.

I do more for my community in a day then anyone who goes and votes once every four years and then thinks they've done something... but 99.99% of the time they end up voting for some crook who hurts our communites even more. i know ron paul is supposed to be different and all, but i just don't see it. he's apart of the same river of shit.