North American genetics of the '80's

[Tripco]

O.K., i know the story 'bout Sacred Seeds and strains till 82., but what hapened in North Anerican genetics later? I certainly know there was a lot of new breeders and new strains, but most of the stories i found about '80's are connected with Holland.
So, who knows a whole story (or, at least, some parts of it).

 

[ndnguy]

Skunk ! was added to everything, The End.

 

[Tripco]

Cann't be only like that? There mus' be some new genetics?

 

[Neptune]

The Cannabible makes it clear, sorta.

 

[dankbudz]

yeah in the eighties the dutch got a skunk#1 and crossed it to everything they could and they still cross it to the majority of the strains. which in my opinon makees some strains lack in potency. it like smoking the same over and over and over and over again. so i think its high time the dutch found a new strain and not the cheese either

 

[Tripco]

And what's about Trainwreck, Matanuska Thundra (is the story about alaskan biker grower true?), Mighty Mite, Original Bleuberry (O.K., that's late
seventies, but...), Texada Timewarp, Williams Wonder...they're all North American strains of the '80's, but i cann't see Skunk influence.

 

[dankbudz]

dont forget the most important and most contraversial strain g-13

 

[mexicanmafia]

northern lights?

 

[Tripco]

Yeah, that's great genetics, but it's seventies and it belongs to Sacred Seeds legacy. For NL, that's for sure (UW branch of Sacred Seeds is responsible), but G-13...hm, a lot of controversy. Here's the story 'bout it from an CW thread by Nom de Fleur, but i've read some other stories as well.

Hi, all
I thought I could add some history to help back hempy's point.
The G-13 clone was discovered by a guy named Sandy Wienstien. A founding member of Sacred Seeds, Breeder of Early Girl, He also discovered the Bay Area Durban Poison clone (the same clone All dutch DP is based on). During the mid
70's Sandy W and members of the Bay Area (SK#1) group were working in cooperation on some of their afgans. A couple of the plants intro'd early into
both programs brought a near fatal vunerabilty to grey mold. Both programs had
to backtrack while new afgans were found to replace the culled plants, as well as beginig an extensive tourure testing program for the remaning stock.
Sandy had a group of friends, growers who lived in his area (S.Ark-N Miss)
One of these friends was a grower, and first year botany student who had,
by shear accident, landed a job working with Carlton Turner , who ran the US gov. pot program @ U of Miss. Sandy's friends job? using the early,rather primitive tests they had at the time to test Afganica plants for THC level!
As Sandy's Early Girl program in the MW and the Skunk#1 people in Cali were on
a desperate search for Afganicas. Sandy enlisted his friend to send him anything
"interesting". Sandy's friend sent him 23 plants in all, and to differetiate these from his regular Afgani stock, which he labeled A1, A2 etc., Sandy designated his
"government" plants G1-23. None of these were used in any Sacred Seeds breeding program. Sandy saved only a very few of these G clones, among these was G-13. He was to busy and never had a chance to do anything with it, so it stayed on the shelf. But he saved it knowing it was a special plant, a "sport".
In its pure form it was apparently not very pleasant smoke, tasting like lawn
clippings, soaked in a mixture of urine and feces (fecal flavors are common in pure afganicas) with a lovelly aftertaste of burning tires. The shear power could not be
denied however and that's what made the strain's rep. As I sayed, G-13 was a breeders plant, (see MJ Botony p70) for a description of a sport but basically it's
a plant that shows benificial mutations which can be passed down to the next gen. In the case of G-13 it was a scraglly plant with lowish yields, but it had the
desirable trait of massive resin production. So much so, that if you let it go to long
it could supposedly choke itself. Some sativas can do this, what Shanti calls the "Widow" sport is an example, but it's very rare in an indica.
It was during Nevil's 83/84 collection trips to the US that he aquired, from Sandy W the only G-13 cuttings to ever leave Sandy's garden. Nevil returned to Holland
and made three crosses with G-13 @ the Seed Bank.
G-13x Haze (in catolog only 1 yr, discontinued, no extent P1's)
G-13x Hashplant (discontinued, currently Sensi Seeds: mr nice)
G-13x Skunk#1 (last and, according to Nevil, the best of the G crosses.
Nev gave Shanti the last of this stock. Shanti, after
suffering alarmingly low germ rates initially from the
20 year old seeds, put them though a number of
breeding cycles and you all lucky bastarts are beta
testing the results.)
Sandy Wienstein passed away in 1987. If you have the '88 edition of Mel's
Indoor Guide, then you have Mel's wonderfull euligy to his friend.(Mel was
part of the upstate NY group, which was a sattelitte of Sandy's midwest group.
Mel and Co. were not breeders but the ran beta grows for Sandy's Early Girl
proj. Just look pic's captioned Durban poison x Afgani in upstate NY from any
of mel's books.)
For those who don't have this vintage edition, just turn your copy of Mel's
Deluxe MJ grow guide to the back cover. The guy in the red pendelton shirt
and the long hair and shades, Thats Sandy. You owe him more than you know

 

[JimmyEatWorld]

All the stories posted by Nom De Fleur are fake.

Sam the Skunkman has said several times that Nom De Fleur's stories are fake...

 

[ndnguy]

And what's about Trainwreck, Matanuska Thundra (is the story about alaskan biker grower true?), Mighty Mite, Original Bleuberry (O.K., that's late
seventies, but...), Texada Timewarp, Williams Wonder...they're all North American strains of the '80's, but i cann't see Skunk influence.

I thought you were talking about when the Dutch got ahold of some. Of course there are great genetics out there that stayed home and still flourish today. The Triangle in Cali has so many geat strains as in other States, alot of grat strains were hybrids to ,mixing the Golds and Reds and the Asians . mmmmm That brought some gear that we will never forget. Its all out there to get just some harder than others . Some might be diluted like the true Thai's and the Panama Red but alot of great stuff out there that is still in the same place it started just have to PRY AND PRY and a lil luck you might have something fall into your lap instead of all this sugar candy coated tasting shit of today. Yeah I said it. Flame away .