No Identification?

[medgrowr02]

My friend, lets say his name is George for security reasons, has no ID what-so-ever. Like, the kid has no birth certificate, no social security card, nothing at all. I met him at a friends party and after a few bowls, we started talking family. I don't know why, but we did. I noticed he started to get quiet, timid and had a faint tear in his eye.

So, being the nice guy I am. I'm like, "dude what's wrong?" he said that he doesn't know his parents and actually just lost his adopted mother last year. Now I feel like a real piece of shit, bringing up family. So I ask, don't you have any paperwork from your adopted mother? He said no, and that all she told him his whole life that his name was xxxx Rossi, and he's not even sure if thats his real last name.

The kid is trying to get into college, pay taxes and get a good job. You know, he wants to live the American dream, but with no ID and no paperwork, he can't seem to get anything at all. He did tell me one piece of valuable information, his adopted mother said his biological father moved to Europe when he found out his girlfriend was pregnant with George and never came back. His mom left him with his adopted mother, with no official paperwork.

I'm just wondering, how can I help him out? What can he do to get a birth certificate with nothing at all? He knows his date of birth, and the location. His adopted "mother" told him before she passed.

Please, if you have any idea of how to help him out, let me know. Either through PM or just post here on the forum. I normally wouldn't do this, but I feel obliged, he's got no family and hardly any friends. People shouldn't have to live like this, I want to help him.

What can we do?


*edit*
We've been on the web hunting for his real mother, with absolutely no luck. She could be anywhere. He just wants to move on with life legitimately.

 

[HCSmyth]

As cold and callus as this may sound, tell him there are many adults that would love to switch places with him.

 

[medgrowr02]

Bearfootlove, how in the hell is he supposed to pay for a lawyer, he can hardly afford to eat. He works at the local chinese palace and he's not even chinese, haha. He's not calling maury or opera and embarrassing himself on national television, especially as other people watch his humiliation. Thanks for a response though.

HCSmyth, haha. How ironic, I told him yesterday, I'd love to be in your shoes. He's like not even alive, legally. But that's besides the point, he needs an education, a good job and whatnot.

Anything else?

 

[Orangecrush]

If he knows his place of birth, like hospital and such, he can get a birth certificate from them. After that I believe he can take that to get a driver's license or proper identification. And you said that he is working for a restaurant, well unless they are paying him cash under the table, he has to have a social security number to pay taxes. His social could be on a pay-check or atleast part of it. I'm not exactly sure how one would go about finding your SS number, but I am sure you can.

And if he is trying to locate his father, I'm pretty sure there are non-profit organizations who are dedicated to reuniting children with lost parents. He could definitely try to get them to locate his father and more than likely have him help out financially or face legal reprimands.

Hope all goes well!

Edit: I just realized like 5 seconds after this post that his adoption agency should have all of this information on record. Unless his mother just kind of left him there, I'm sure they had to have kept something on record. Again, hope any of this stuff helps.

 

[medgrowr02]

Orangecrush, thats exactly what happened to him. His mother basically left him with a woman she knew and trusted. To make things even weirder, he DOES get paid cash under the table and fears that he might get into trouble with the IRS for not paying taxes last year.

He knows what town he was born in, just not the hospital. He claims to have called the local hospitals in hopes of finding out any information possible, and all of his return results were negative. It's like he doesn't even exist.

Can't he just file for a delayed birth certificate through the state he was born in, and tell the officials in charge that he has no other information? How can they say, "Sorry, no can do... looks like you'll be nobody forever." it just doesn't seem right.

The poor fucking kid doesn't even know his mother/father's real name, let alone who delivered him as an infant.

The more I get into helping him, the more I wish I was him. Haha. If only we could switch places. You've gotta imagine though, he can't drive, file taxes, board a plane, dude... he can't legally do shit. It's awful, and I'm determined to help him out.

Not to mention, the kid is like brilliant. He was home-schooled by his "adopted" mother and was never officially enrolled into any school. Which, as smart as he is, is hard to believe.

 

[NOKUY]

dude... he can't legally do shit. It's awful, and I'm determined to help him out.

....just remember "no good deed goes unpunished"

also many illegal immigrants can help aquire these documents.

 

[Orangecrush]

Well if they are paying him under the table, I don't see it being that big of a deal. I'm really not too sure where he could go from there. The only other real solution I can think of is to try contacting one of those non-profit organizations. See if you can find one on google or something.

Also, by no means I do not want you to take this the wrong way, but please watch out for yourself. I know that you want to help this guy out because of his dire situation, but in times of desperation, people do desperate things. I would hate to see you go a mile and a half to help this guy out and have him just con you. Again, I don't want it to seem like I am saying this guy is a fraud, but you should always go on the side of caution, especially since you just met this guy.

I admire your drive to help this guy out when he really seems to have no one else, but it just seems so weird. I mean, to have absolutely NO TRACE of oneself just seems so odd. His adopted mother was a friend of his real mother, he couldn't tell her his real mother's name etc? That might be a very strong lead in finding out how he can obtain all that information. Stay safe man and good luck.

 

[geminibud]

sometimes I wish I could start over but my family is already gone so...I'm a little bitter anyways.
Goodluck and peace to your friend

 

[FRANKENBLUNT420]

As cold and callus as this may sound, tell him there are many adults that would love to switch places with him.

its not cold or callous at all my friend, i would definitely want to switch places with him./ start over, no records, finger prints or anything and become a contract killer or something. to live and be off the books?!?!?! hell in america thats a dream come true, shit i know its the ultimate hustlers dream.

 

[.♠.]

Did he never attend school? You need records of some sort to get into public school.

I am going to throw this idea out there, don't get angry, I just feel as though it should be considered.

He could be lying and looking for someone to take advantage of. Just a thought. It is sounding a little fishy to me personally. I mean, how old is he, gotta be at least in his late teens if he is hanging out smoking bowls. Has he never had to go to the doctor or dentist, doesn't have any school records to go off of, even as far back as kindergarden? His Adopted mother had to have filled out paper work for adoption or to claim him on her taxes all those years.

Are you at your own home when you are cruising the internet with him? Watch him and make sure he is not casing the place.

Here's to the best

Peace

I know I don't know the situation, but I think it's a little strange.

 

[Frogger]

•Spade• i'm with u on this one

 

[RED145]

Did he never attend school? You need records of some sort to get into public school.

I am going to throw this idea out there, don't get angry, I just feel as though it should be considered.

He could be lying and looking for someone to take advantage of. Just a thought. It is sounding a little fishy to me personally. I mean, how old is he, gotta be at least in his late teens if he is hanging out smoking bowls. Has he never had to go to the doctor or dentist, doesn't have any school records to go off of, even as far back as kindergarden? His Adopted mother had to have filled out paper work for adoption or to claim him on her taxes all those years.

Are you at your own home when you are cruising the internet with him? Watch him and make sure he is not casing the place.

Here's to the best

Peace

I know I don't know the situation, but I think it's a little strange.

BINGO!!!The whole thing sounds fishy!!You dont grow into a young adult in the USA and have absolutely no paperwork,it just doesnt happen.There is something unsaid that we are not privy to.If he went to school there are records,never been to a doctor?never got jasmmed up with the law??
Ya want an easy way to ID him,go to the police station and let em print him.

 

[Stoner4Life]

Did he never attend school? You need records of some sort to get into public school.

I am going to throw this idea out there, don't get angry, I just feel as though it should be considered.

He could be lying and looking for someone to take advantage of. Just a thought. It is sounding a little fishy to me personally. I mean, how old is he, gotta be at least in his late teens if he is hanging out smoking bowls. Has he never had to go to the doctor or dentist, doesn't have any school records to go off of, even as far back as kindergarden? His Adopted mother had to have filled out paper work for adoption or to claim him on her taxes all those years.

Are you at your own home when you are cruising the internet with him? Watch him and make sure he is not casing the place.

Here's to the best

Peace

I know I don't know the situation, but I think it's a little strange.

yeah, I got done reading the first few posts and was thinking the same thing as Spade. This kid didn't drop out of the sky parentless even if there was a shady adoption....... He went to school somewhere and for that there's got to be some sort of birth certificate and/or transcripts that'd provide some answers. As to whether or not he's waiting to fleece you is another issue. But it does sound a bit fishy to me.

It also very much sounds like a story that yummybud would tell to get folks here @ ICMag to feel sorry for him, are you sure that you're not actually sitting at the comp right there beside the one & only yummybud???????

medgrowr02 to his mom....... "Hey mom, this yummybud followed me home! Can we keep him?"

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

There are people in this world that are off the radar so to speak.......it can happen although in this day and age it is quite a rarity.....

When I was about 9 years old my Mum was a child-minder (Foster-Mother) and she was visited by this fella from Ghana who claimed to be some tribal chieftan, he was dressed in these fine African robes and all......

A friend of my Mothers had referred this fella to my Mum who wanted 2 of his children looked after on a semi-permanent basis while he was travelling about, so my Mother agreed and was paid a month in advance to look after these 2 kids who were only about 2 and 4 years old.....

Well the African fella never showed up again but my Mother carried on looking after these kids for well over a year without payment untill the social services became curious as to who these kids were and ended up paying my Mum to look after them for quite some time (years) afterwards till eventually they were taken into care by the local social services, grew up to be adults and now occasionally contact us since they look at my Mother as theirs and the rest of my Mum's children as their brothers and sisters.....lol!

No one ever knew their real surnames, they apparently were born in Ghana and don't have any birth certificates or documentation of their birth and being so young when they left that country for the UK they have no memories of either of their natural parents......

 

[Storm Crow]

He can get a copy of the names of the kids born on his birth date in the right city. Tell him to look for "Search Angels" on line- wonderful folks who help adoptees find their birth parents and vice versa. I got hold of one in my search for my adopted-out half sister. She got the list for me and it narrowed down the millions of possibilities to about 50 names. (I did find my half sister, but she doesn't want anything to do with me- her loss.) If you guys are in California, I can look up a few names that might help. - Granny