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nitrozime or maxicrop kelp???
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plantsman
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I came to this thread hoping to see someones experience with nitrozime... but looks like you want the same thing.
I got some a few months ago cos I had a nitrogen deficiency. I use it now for foliar feeding cuttings, mothers and all vegging plants once a week. I definitely would NOT use it during flower. That'll encourage leafy buds, I would think. Also, any foliar feeding when you have flowers on the plant can encourage bud rot.
I use a half measure with some bio-heaven and bio-silicone, also at half measures.
I dont know which is having the most effect but I now have got the darkest, greenest and healthiest looking plants I have ever seen.
Its hard to say if its the nitrozime working or not cos I changed so many things at the same time (new soil mix, longer vegging period, more light etc). But I can certainly say it doesn't seem to be doing any damage.
Oh, I also use it as a drench twice during each plants 1 month veg cycle. Half measures again with some other stuff (superthrive, bio heaven, bio wetter and bio silicone).
LOL, I use a lot of potions now but my plants are really damn healthy... and if it aint broke then dont fix it, smoke a fat one instead.
Good luck with your grow dude
I got some a few months ago cos I had a nitrogen deficiency. I use it now for foliar feeding cuttings, mothers and all vegging plants once a week. I definitely would NOT use it during flower. That'll encourage leafy buds, I would think. Also, any foliar feeding when you have flowers on the plant can encourage bud rot.
I use a half measure with some bio-heaven and bio-silicone, also at half measures.
I dont know which is having the most effect but I now have got the darkest, greenest and healthiest looking plants I have ever seen.
Its hard to say if its the nitrozime working or not cos I changed so many things at the same time (new soil mix, longer vegging period, more light etc). But I can certainly say it doesn't seem to be doing any damage.
Oh, I also use it as a drench twice during each plants 1 month veg cycle. Half measures again with some other stuff (superthrive, bio heaven, bio wetter and bio silicone).
LOL, I use a lot of potions now but my plants are really damn healthy... and if it aint broke then dont fix it, smoke a fat one instead.
Good luck with your grow dude
$31.95 for a pint? $2.00 per oz. for concentrated seaweed extract?
LMAO - f*cking delusional.
Here's a professional-grade seaweed extract and is used in agriculture, health & beauty aids, etc. Acadian Seaplant Seaweed Extract and a full pound is $13.95 and 1 oz. makes 10 gallons or 160 gallons for $13.95
If you want a 'clear' seaweed extract which Nitrozyme appears to be, then the 2 major manufacturers of that are 'Kelpak' which is based in Union of South Africa or you might want to consider 'KelpGrow' which is manufactured in Japan. Both will cost you quite a bit because it's usually only sold to manufacturers, farmers, etc. But if you need 5-gallons of a highly-concentrated seaweed extract product, these 2 products will definitely give you some bragging rights I suppose.
The Acadian Seaweed Extract product is about 1/2 the price of the same amount of Maxicrop (their dried powder). Both products are made from the same species of kelp that Nitrozyme is made from. These clowns aren't even manufacturers - they're simply repackaging a wholesale product with a 'Stoner Joe' label, some 'techno' babble that they literally lifted from Kelpak's web site. Not much imagination.
Nitrozyme = Kelpak or KelpGrow. And it's probably diluted.
LMAO - f*cking delusional.
Here's a professional-grade seaweed extract and is used in agriculture, health & beauty aids, etc. Acadian Seaplant Seaweed Extract and a full pound is $13.95 and 1 oz. makes 10 gallons or 160 gallons for $13.95
If you want a 'clear' seaweed extract which Nitrozyme appears to be, then the 2 major manufacturers of that are 'Kelpak' which is based in Union of South Africa or you might want to consider 'KelpGrow' which is manufactured in Japan. Both will cost you quite a bit because it's usually only sold to manufacturers, farmers, etc. But if you need 5-gallons of a highly-concentrated seaweed extract product, these 2 products will definitely give you some bragging rights I suppose.
The Acadian Seaweed Extract product is about 1/2 the price of the same amount of Maxicrop (their dried powder). Both products are made from the same species of kelp that Nitrozyme is made from. These clowns aren't even manufacturers - they're simply repackaging a wholesale product with a 'Stoner Joe' label, some 'techno' babble that they literally lifted from Kelpak's web site. Not much imagination.
Nitrozyme = Kelpak or KelpGrow. And it's probably diluted.
Bionik Kronik
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Nitrozime contains highly concentrated hormones extracted from the North Atlantic sea plant Ascophylum Nodsoum. This plant lives in an environment of extreme stress which causes production of a phenomenal level of hormones. When added to the nutrient solution or used as a foliar spray, these extra hormone levels greatly increase cell division and elongation, producing greener, more lush plants that translate into higher yields during flower production.
Nitrozime contains powerful natural growth enhancers, micro nutrients and bio-stimulants that will stimulate the growth process of the plant. Use with Agri-2 to help penetrate waxy leaves.
More on Nitrozime HOW IS THE CYTOKININ HORMONE LEVEL CONTROLLED? Nitrozime is produced using the strictest quality control methods possible. The test used to determine hormonal activity is state-of-the-art and approved by government regulators.
FROM WHAT PLANT IS NITROZIME DERIVED? The plant from which it is extracted is Ascophyllum Nodosum and is found in the Northern Atlantic Ocean and the Norwegian Sea. This plant grows on rocks in sea water, which is as cold as -20oC in the winter and as warm as 32oC in the summer months.
HOW DOES NITROZIME WORK? Plants progress through a cycle of growth stages. Using the example of wheat, the plant starts out as a seed, germinates, goes through the seedling stage, through the three, five and seven leaf stages, and finally forming a head and producing new seed. When a plant is under stress at any given stage of growth, reduced levels of cytokinin growth hormones are produced.
If this reduction occurs at certain key stages of growth such as the tillering stage, yields can be affected. By making available extra hormone to the plant at these stages, you can influence the crops final yield. Timing of the application is essential. If you apply a hormone to a plant, the result will be stimulated growth of the type which the plant is currently undergoing. If the plant is forming roots, more root growth can occur. If tillering is underway, more tillers will be formed. If stem growth is in progress, that is what will occur. If flowering is in progress more flowering will occur.
WHAT ABOUT NITROZIME AS A SEED TREATMENT? Nitrozime is very effective as a seed treatment. Many gardeners and researchers have been experimenting with Growth Plus as a seed treatment because it contains certain hormones which can help promote early seedling vigor, and up to 40% increase in root mass. More root mass leads to a healthier and a more vigorous plant.
WHY USE NITROZIME? Crops under normal growing conditions achieve only 30-40% of their genetic potential. Growing conditions such as low or high moisture levels, hot or cold temperature variations, soil imbalance and nutritional deficiencies contribute to plant stress and result in underperformance of the crop. Plants under stress are unable to produce sufficient cytokinins, the natural plant growth hormones which are necessary for plant growth, nutrient mobilization and distribution, germination, cell division, root development, flowering and seed formation. These naturally occurring hormones have a very pronounced effect on the growth of plant cells and regulate delicate physiological plant processes. After many years of research and field testing, the natural cytokinins in Nitrozime can be put to productive use on your plants. Natural cytokinins such as those found in
Nitrozime will help control and regulate: germination - root development - nutrition uptake - plant tissue composition - tillering - flowering -seed and fruit set. Nitrozime has been proven to effectively relieve stress, provide a more vigorous and healthy plant, which increases yields and profits.
Nitrozime contains powerful natural growth enhancers, micro nutrients and bio-stimulants that will stimulate the growth process of the plant. Use with Agri-2 to help penetrate waxy leaves.
More on Nitrozime HOW IS THE CYTOKININ HORMONE LEVEL CONTROLLED? Nitrozime is produced using the strictest quality control methods possible. The test used to determine hormonal activity is state-of-the-art and approved by government regulators.
FROM WHAT PLANT IS NITROZIME DERIVED? The plant from which it is extracted is Ascophyllum Nodosum and is found in the Northern Atlantic Ocean and the Norwegian Sea. This plant grows on rocks in sea water, which is as cold as -20oC in the winter and as warm as 32oC in the summer months.
HOW DOES NITROZIME WORK? Plants progress through a cycle of growth stages. Using the example of wheat, the plant starts out as a seed, germinates, goes through the seedling stage, through the three, five and seven leaf stages, and finally forming a head and producing new seed. When a plant is under stress at any given stage of growth, reduced levels of cytokinin growth hormones are produced.
If this reduction occurs at certain key stages of growth such as the tillering stage, yields can be affected. By making available extra hormone to the plant at these stages, you can influence the crops final yield. Timing of the application is essential. If you apply a hormone to a plant, the result will be stimulated growth of the type which the plant is currently undergoing. If the plant is forming roots, more root growth can occur. If tillering is underway, more tillers will be formed. If stem growth is in progress, that is what will occur. If flowering is in progress more flowering will occur.
WHAT ABOUT NITROZIME AS A SEED TREATMENT? Nitrozime is very effective as a seed treatment. Many gardeners and researchers have been experimenting with Growth Plus as a seed treatment because it contains certain hormones which can help promote early seedling vigor, and up to 40% increase in root mass. More root mass leads to a healthier and a more vigorous plant.
WHY USE NITROZIME? Crops under normal growing conditions achieve only 30-40% of their genetic potential. Growing conditions such as low or high moisture levels, hot or cold temperature variations, soil imbalance and nutritional deficiencies contribute to plant stress and result in underperformance of the crop. Plants under stress are unable to produce sufficient cytokinins, the natural plant growth hormones which are necessary for plant growth, nutrient mobilization and distribution, germination, cell division, root development, flowering and seed formation. These naturally occurring hormones have a very pronounced effect on the growth of plant cells and regulate delicate physiological plant processes. After many years of research and field testing, the natural cytokinins in Nitrozime can be put to productive use on your plants. Natural cytokinins such as those found in
Nitrozime will help control and regulate: germination - root development - nutrition uptake - plant tissue composition - tillering - flowering -seed and fruit set. Nitrozime has been proven to effectively relieve stress, provide a more vigorous and healthy plant, which increases yields and profits.
CC, I asked tod to ask the supplier what seaweed it was, and they did not tell him what seaweed it was. Do you know for certain it's acadian, as I would love to switch if it is. I have seen acadian's website and contacted them for a supplier but they never responded
here is a good price for maxicrop if you want maxicrop http://www.groworganic.com/item_F1360_Maxicrop_Kelp_Extract_Lb.html
here is a good price for maxicrop if you want maxicrop http://www.groworganic.com/item_F1360_Maxicrop_Kelp_Extract_Lb.html
reverev313
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nitrozime
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CMoon
iv used both and others of simular traits and best advise i can give is buy both and do a test
but the nitrozime is highly concentrated and a spot is more then enough
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Iron_Lion
I use Maxicrop in my teas, I dont know if it really makes a difference. I know it provides trace elements and vitamins which relieves stress and aides in healthy growth, whether or not that improves yeild, taste, smell etc.... I dont know.
quadracer
Active member
Alg-A-Min used to be the best stuff around, but it looks like they added a preservative and a colorant (wtf?) so it is not OMRI certified.
The issue with Nitrozyme, besides the high price, is that the extract relies on Lye and other chemicals. When looking for kelp extract, look for the stuff that is cold-pressed.
The issue with Nitrozyme, besides the high price, is that the extract relies on Lye and other chemicals. When looking for kelp extract, look for the stuff that is cold-pressed.
J
JackTheGrower
"it looks like they added a preservative and a colorant (wtf?)"
I just found out myself.. WTF is right.. I love it.
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I agree with these claims.. Hopefully we can get the colorant and preservative removed.
Jack
I'm not surprised. Acadian Seaplants (the company) is pretty restrictive about the distribution of their product.
I do 'know for certain' that the specific product sold by KIS is the Acadian Seaplant Seaweed Extract that I get from the organic farm store. They did get permission from Acadian Seaplants (the company) to break the wholesale packs into 3-lb. bags. The price as of this morning is $35.00 for their 3-lb. pack. The full pack, i.e. 22 kg. is $425.00 and these prices do not include shipping & handling.
If you want to be guaranteed beyond a shadow of a doubt then send me a private message and I'll give you the information. This is not a 'grow store' and they're pretty abrupt with people hemming & hawing about growing 'tomatoes' if you get the idea.
BTW - the overwhelming majority of kelp meal sold in North America is manufactured by Acadian Seaplants. It's widely used in agriculture (obviously) as well as a livestock feed additive.
The main advantage of Acadian Seaplants Seaweed Extract vs. Maxicrop is the difference in manufacturing. The 'clear' seaweed extracts are exactly that - extracts. A mechanical process is used to 'squeeze' the juice from the kelp. For lack of a better description.
Both companies, Kelpak and KelpGrow, talk about various manipulation(s) of specific auxins in their products. Eh.............it makes for an interesting read if nothing else.
What makes both products widely used in commercial agriculture is that it's perfect for using with fertilizer injectors (like the Dosatron) hooked up to their standard irrigation system.
And then of course there's the other market that some customers have found and that is by simply hiring graphic artists with limited skills and re-packaging the diluted original product and up-charging 2000%, you can make a lot of money!
Not a bad deal actually - if you're on the selling end of the process.
CC
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Hazyfontazy
nitrozyme is the tits ,creates perfect plants and is 100% organic,
C
CT Guy
CC,
I can't say where our seaweed comes from originally, except that we get it from Organic Approach in 44 lb. boxes and break it down for the small consumer (a little goes a long way!). I know it's cold processed ascophyllum nodosum, but beyond that our distributor is unwilling to give any more info. (they're very secretive about their Tera Vita Humates as well). Having worked with them for years, I can vouch for the quality of their products, but not their sourcing on materials.
On a side note, I just added some seaweed to my latest batch of biodynamic wheatgrass that I'm growing. I grew the last batch strictly on tonic from the manufacturer (seawater and himalayan salt). I'm curious to see if a dilute seaweed spray will help with germination. I'd really like to figure out what will increase the water content in the grass, so I can maximize the juice I'm getting out of it!
^ I notice with cannabis seeds, I have a fair amount that pop the surface without shells, but when I use seaweed to germinate I get almost 100% that pop the surface without shells. off track a little maybe, but seems seaweed is a little booster for germinating
good luck with the experiments
I love the tera vita humic acid as it dissolves in water so easy, beyond that I'm not sure I can vouch for the quality personally as I have been gardening such a short time, but we all know there reputation..
good luck with the experiments
I love the tera vita humic acid as it dissolves in water so easy, beyond that I'm not sure I can vouch for the quality personally as I have been gardening such a short time, but we all know there reputation..
CT GUY
As someone who has a long experience with BioAg.com's 'HumilSolve 100' product for several years (made in the EXACT SAME PROCESS as the TeraVita line of products), I can personally vouch for the line of products that you offer your customers.
RE: Seaweed Extract (specifically Acadian Seaplants)
When both private industry and the Canadian government set-up 'Acadian Seaplant' there was a business model developed that included agriculture/livestock (the smallest section of the company) as well as their 'HABA' (health and beauty aides) division which is their most profitable division as you would expect.
For their 'human food-grade' product it HAD to be COMPLETELY soluble, resulting in the SP-90 product vs. the SP-85 product which was originally developed for agriculture application in conjunction with fertilizer injectors like the Dosatron and similar products.
Bottom line is that people don't hit the lottery and win $200 million and then decide "Geez - I think I'll open up a seaweed extract operation and let's see how much I can make!" paradigm.
Take fish hydrolysate as an example. Up in Anacortes, WA is a fairly large fish hydrolysate processor who packs for at least 20 manufacturers. Reading arguments, online, about the variables between this or that 'fish hydrolysate' is fairly amusing - to say the least given that many of these products come out of the very same factory.
Same with 'kelp meal' - the largest producer in North America for 'kelp meal' is from Acadian Seaplants. One of their 'bragging rights' is that their kelp meal is sun-dried rather than processed immediately after harvest with lye and other chemicals.
One way to DEFINITELY tell if your specific 'seaweed extract' is from Acadian Seaplants, per se, is to simply smell it. This is the only specific product that actually smells like the ocean - it's weird. Canada (Acadian Seaplants) and Norway (Maxicrop, et al) and especially the 'clear' seaweed extracts (Kelpak & KelpGrow) all have specific aromas. Acadian Seaplants Seaweed Extract is the only one that smells like 'the ocean'
When I ordered your seaweed product (to compare with a 'known source' of Acadian Seaplant Seaweed Extract) I knew within 3 seconds that your source is the 'real deal' and at a very good price indeed. Best product that I know of and I've used them all.
Having said that - it's still my opinion and little else, that using 'kelp meal' in teas of all kinds is my preferred method of using seaweed products. That has more to do with 'tradition' than actual science, if you KWIM
Peace
CC
C
CT Guy
CC,
Like I said, I have no idea, you may very well be right. :smile:
Like I said, I have no idea, you may very well be right. :smile:
pedrodepaco
Member
I used to use maxi-crop but switched to algamin its made by the same people its just not a concentrate so you have to use twice as much but it is just ground up seeweed thats pretty much a natural product and it is way cheaper.
