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New York tax stamp— $3.50 per gram for marijuana

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What a joke!!!!!!

In Taxing Illegal Drugs, the Trouble Comes in Collecting

The Tennessee tax authorities slapped a young concertgoer with $11,506 in taxes and penalties when he was caught with marijuana-laced Rice Krispie Treats. North Carolina collected $11 million in taxes last year on illegal drugs and moonshine. And in Alabama, the rare drug user who chooses to pay state taxes on a stash is issued a sticker to place on the package that declares, “Say no to marijuana.”

Strange as it may seem to levy a tax on a commodity that no one is supposed to have, 29 states have passed laws that impose taxes on illegal drugs and controlled substances, and on Tuesday, Gov. Eliot Spitzer proposed that New York become the 30th.

The plan was part of a package of new or increased taxes and fees that the governor proposed in an effort to close an estimated budget deficit of $4.4 billion.

Across the country, a variety of drug tax laws have sparked legal disputes over issues like the constitutional protection against double jeopardy and the weight of spiked baked goods — as in the case of William Hoak, the Tennessee man who argued in court that he should have been taxed only for the weight of the marijuana in his Rice Krispie Treats, not for the cereal and marshmallows.

The laws have evolved over the past 20 years in response to court challenges. Some were struck down for violating the Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination; new laws then specified that taxes could be paid anonymously and that authorities could not report the taxpayers to the police.

North Carolina levied taxes so high that a federal appeals court ruled that the state unconstitutionally penalized drug dealers twice for the same crime: once with jail and once with the tax.

“It’s just a veiled attempt by the government to get these guys to come in and incriminate themselves for possessing drugs,” Jonathan A. Street, Mr. Hoak’s lawyer, said.

But officials say the taxes give states a new and easier way to seize drug money, handing law enforcement a tool to hobble the drug trade and replenishing state coffers along the way. Mr. Spitzer’s aides say the tax could bring in $17 million a year. That figure is extrapolated from the take in North Carolina, which revised its law in response to the federal court ruling and devotes an entire division of its Department of Revenue to enforcing it.

Paying the proposed New York tax — $3.50 per gram for marijuana and $200 per gram for other drugs — would not allow the taxpayer to keep illegal drugs, and the governor does not intend the tax to be a step toward drug legalization, said Robert Megna, who was confirmed as state tax commissioner on Tuesday.

But in order to make the laws constitutional, states must create at least the theoretical opportunity for drug users and dealers to pay the tax legally, said Verenda Smith, government affairs associate at the Federation of Tax Administrators in Washington.

For example, imagine that there is a drug dealer in North Carolina who wanted to do everything by the book. He would go to the authorities — anonymously, of course — and pay a tax based on the weight and the type of drugs he was holding. He would be given a tax stamp, not unlike the tax stickers on cigarette packs. The dealer could then place the stamp on his quarter-ounce bag of marijuana or kilo of cocaine to show that he had paid the tax.

Almost no dealers actually do this, nor does Mr. Spitzer expect them to. The vast majority of revenues from the tax are collected after law enforcement officials seize the drugs, said Kimberly Y. Brooks, a spokeswoman for the North Carolina Department of Revenue.

Officials look for the tax stamps on drugs, but not surprisingly, almost never find them, Ms. Brooks said.

Officials then can assess how much tax is owed, and the payment can be taken either from any cash found with the drugs or from the dealer’s other assets.

“It’s really about cutting the drug dealers off at the knees,” said Ms. Smith of the tax administrators group. “It kind of goes back to the Al Capone model.” Proving tax avoidance is much easier than proving a drug crime, she said, so the tax laws help the authorities keep seized drug money even when a suspect accused of dealing drugs goes free.

Since North Carolina’s law was passed in 1990, only a few dozen people have voluntarily bought the stamps. “They’re mostly stamp collectors,” Ms. Brooks said.

Ms. Smith said she had heard of only one drug dealer who paid the tax regularly, a young man in Oklahoma.

“For a drug dealer, apparently he was a very likable kid,” she said, adding that he decorated his bags of drugs with the tax stamp. “So when they caught him, they had to give him his money back. He had paid the tax.”

NY Times article
 
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newbieb

Will a New Yorker be able to buy stamps for plants that he's growing?
 
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Guest

I think this is just for dried cannabis but even if you buy the stamps it's still illegal and you will still be arrested, prosecuted, and lose your assets
 

DIGITALHIPPY

Active member
Veteran
nice article third....
now if they only legalized it...
theyd have money up to there eyeballs, theyd have the drug war money, to now spend on other things, AND theyd have tax money...
100million pounds of herb x 3.50 is alot of dosh....

~neat drug war statistic.
in 71 years usa has spent over 450 billion dollars, thats more then 1 million dollars per person to be bombarded with anti-drug propiganda for there entire life....
 

Stoner4Life

Medicinal Advocate
ICMag Donor
Veteran
$100 1/8th's in NYC & more if any dealers comply,
might be a badge of honor to have your smoke 'legit'
with the tax stamps in place & also might stop them
from seizing your car to pay taxes on the smoke. Now
that being said this law has been on the NY books since
the late 70's, just not enforced or somehow was struck
down, but it was there as I was very tempted to go
to the local post office in manhattan to buy some as a
souvenir of sorts.
 

greenhead

Active member
Veteran
Most of the states have pretty generic, boring looking drug stamps, but Nebraska definitely has the funniest one.

NE_taxstamp.jpg


:joint: :wave:
 

Awesomo

New member
I believe I heard somewhere that someone got charged for not having a tax stamp and he challenged the law. Might've been a High Times editor or something.

Anyway, he challenged the law based on the fact that it required self-incrimination, which is not allowed in the US. And he won.
 

Pops

Resident pissy old man
Veteran
The original Marihuana Tax Stamp Act of 1937 was challenged by Timothy Leary and was struck down by the Supremes(not the singing group) as unconstitutional. You had to have the MJ in hand before you could buy the tax stamp, and,if you did, it was illegal. Catch22 situation that even the courts had to say was unconstitutional. If a state issues a legal tax stamp on a substance, they are inherently saying that it is a legal product,since the tax is paid. Only the morons in politics and law enforcement cannot see that.
 

HuffAndPuff

Active member
Is anybody seeing the hilarity in these 'taxes'? DigitalHippy sounds like he is. NY has a budget deficit. There are 2 ways you can close that gap. 1) Increase revenues-through taxes, etc. and 2) Reduce expenditures. Obviously, the best plans will combine aspects of each. Outright legalization would easily accomplish both by eliminating the money/time being wasted on enforcing prohibition, and generating plenty of revenue.

The flaw in that plan is that it would essentially be an admission that the government fucked up, royally. Could they really say, "We were wrong. Our policies have caused more harm than good, and we have imprisoned thousands of people for something we would now like to profit from"?

Obviously, the 'powers that be' sat down and pondered the matter. The realized that legalization would not only require/imply those admissions and their associated problems, it would require a complete overhaul, or outright removal, of numerous state and federal agencies and programs. That's several large barrels of pork they'd have to forgo. Fortunately, the lobbyists talked some sense into 'the man'-and this is where the hilarity ensues.

"Who says you have to legalize it before you tax it?"

"Well, no one, we guess. We can kinda do whatever the hell we want around here, if you hadn't noticed."

"Oh, I have. You guys kinda have this whole 'bad boy' thing going on, and I'm loving it. Plus, the way you've rounded up the sheeple using all that fear mongering stuff... It's just great."

"ha, man ain't that racket a beaut? We got 'em so scared, we somehow managed to convince them that it would be 'safer' for them if they gave up their most basic constitutional rights!"

"So where do you guys see yourselves going in the next decade? Bigger, Badder?"

"Well, obviously we have a number of nefarious things planned that we could tell you [about]. But then we'd have to kill you! haha, an oldie but a goodie! Seriously though, what we can tell you is that within the next 5 years, we are hoping to eliminate the 'search' aspect of 'search and seizure' completely. We will be able to take whatever we want, from whoever we want, whenever we want. And, depending on the outcome of this whole Marc Emery thing, maybe even wherever we want."

"WOW! That'd be something..."

"Oh it will be, Mr. Yes Man with ulterior motives. But it seems to be costing us a lot of money to get there. This 'tax illegal drug things' you mentioned really sounds like it could be quite the stop-gap measure. We shall implement it as soon as possible.

"Well, I probably should have mentioned that there have been a number of challenges to the constitutionality of this practice, and they won about 50% of the time. Some have argued it is a violation of their 5th amendment rights against self-incrimination. When the tax has been levied following an arrest/discovery, it has been successfully argued that it is a punishment rather than a tax, thusly violating their rights against double-jeopardy."

"Well, that would be a problem. IF WE CARED. Plus, like we said, those amendment things are past their prime and on their way out, anyways. Thanks for the heads up, though!"


Only in America. Land of the free, right? I shall ignore the much more obvious and ironic argument, as it relates to this country being founded by people who feared persecution and hated unjust taxes.....Oh, and taxation without representation, too. I say, if they tax it, it is legal by default.

Stay Free,
HuffAndPuff

[EDIT: Pops, I am a slow typer so you beat me to it! Touche.]
 
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Pops

Resident pissy old man
Veteran
You wouldn't be so slow,Huff, if you put the bong down and typed with both hands!
 

HuffAndPuff

Active member
<looks over his shoulder startled> Um, pops, I don't see you, but apparently you can see me.... Creepy... I guess I should go put some pants on then, huh?
 

oaktree

Member
As a fellow NY'er i'd love to see legalization happen here but the governors a douche and has mad a lot of people upset in the NY legislature by doing things the wrong way. He's the former attorney general and he hasn't done many positive things in NY... and as thcbound pointed out... he wanted to give illegal immigrants Drivers licenses, on the plus side he wanted to pass a law that said you couldn't be arrested for not having a license on you (because of racial profiling by the police, they couldn't just pull over a guy who looked mexican to see if he had a license, and when he didn't have one they would just be able to arrest him) so if you did have weed on you all's you would have to do was make sure you left you license at home. Politics are great huh? Nice thread Third.

Peace
 
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