New to Coco: Runoff question

[LostTribe]

So I have done a lot of reading but clearly not enough. I got some canna bricks. Expanded them with RO and 3ml/gal calmag, 10ml/gal PBP Grow, 1ml/gal LK. Ec of 1.0 ph 6. I have been hand watering daily for a week.

I am seeing Mag deficiency, maybe due to trying to remove peat from the root ball from solo cups. Not all plants are showing it but a few are. I checked runoff today and it is also exactly 1.0ec and 6.0ph.

Should I use more Calmag? I am using RO water.

Is it normal for the runoff to be the same as the nutrient solution mix?

I hope to get a drip setup tomorrow and hope to begin watering multiple feeds daily with DTW.

Thank you guys!
LT

 

[DunHav`nFun]

So I have done a lot of reading but clearly not enough. I got some canna bricks. Expanded them with RO and 3ml/gal calmag, 10ml/gal PBP Grow, 1ml/gal LK. Ec of 1.0 ph 6. I have been hand watering daily for a week.

I am seeing Mag deficiency, maybe due to trying to remove peat from the root ball from solo cups. Not all plants are showing it but a few are. I checked runoff today and it is also exactly 1.0ec and 6.0ph.

Should I use more Calmag? I am using RO water.

Is it normal for the runoff to be the same as the nutrient solution mix?

I hope to get a drip setup tomorrow and hope to begin watering multiple feeds daily with DTW.

Thank you guys!
LT

Hey LT....Input the same as runoff just shows the medium`s not holding any residual salt buildup.....no biggie....and the size of your containers will determine how many feeds are needed to keep coco "moist" consistently between feeds with no drying out and no over feeds. to waste juice.....and get DripClean @ 1 ml per gal for next run and runoff and residual salt concerns will be a thing of the past...…

That`s where dialin in your drip setup comes in , and as far as Cal/Mag goes.....I hadta run 5ml per gal to keep up with clone only Chem D `s whore ass needs back in the day , but it was worth it in the long run.....now....

You seein yellowing between the veins of the fanleaves , then mix a tsp of Epsom salt to a gal of water and get the spray bottle out to foliar the affected plants and help em bounce back.....and yeah , could be from the up pot and peat as mentioned so again.....no biggie.....and.....longtime rule of thumb with coco is.... when in doubt......flush it out.....with 1/2 strength nutrients that is...…

Then reset with appropriate juice concentrations and carry on.....and.....Set your PH a lil lower in the mid-upper 5`s and let shit drift so micros and macros can be assimilated at the different preferred levels......anyways.....My 2 cents from all those yrs......Good luck and.....Holler if I can help.....

Peace.....DHF..... …….

 

[Guest]

I agree with dhf.
I've just started setting my rez to 5.8 today, looking to set there between 5.6-5.8 from the usual 6.0 and see any differences for myself.
I've never used cal/mag but Ive never run the D, if I get some leaf problems show up I dont sweat it they'll always grow through it, anytbing too alarming and I'll flush but haven't needed to in a long time. Don't get carried away with high EC or lots of inputs as that's when you'll get problems. House and Garden Coco a+b I find a pretty well balanced nute. Silica and a weekly dose of Harvest Organix which is kelp/fish/micros/cytokinins/auxins, mix that with aloe Vera and neem oil This is for the root bennies, pest prevention and plant health.

 

[f-e]

If you're feeding with a high enough concentration, the 30% runoff will be a higher EC than they are getting. Plants don't simply have what they are given, how they are given it. Instead, they are selective. So things build up in greater concentration. 20% higher is a reasonable expectation.

 

[art.spliff]

I am new to this too and it makes sense there may be some salts or particles or ppm that aren't taken up by the plant, say your nutrient juice has nitrogen and bloom but it has some little extra crud at the bottom for example not physically literally but in a plant nutrition sense. That part is the reason for changing your reservoir or going with drain to waste, so you don't hold on to the salts the plant doesn't use in the res.

 

[pongster]

Hey LT....Input the same as runoff just shows the medium`s not holding any residual salt buildup.....no biggie....and the size of your containers will determine how many feeds are needed to keep coco "moist" consistently between feeds with no drying out and no over feeds. to waste juice.....and get DripClean @ 1 ml per gal for next run and runoff and residual salt concerns will be a thing of the past...…

That`s where dialin in your drip setup comes in , and as far as Cal/Mag goes.....I hadta run 5ml per gal to keep up with clone only Chem D `s whore ass needs back in the day , but it was worth it in the long run.....now....

You seein yellowing between the veins of the fanleaves , then mix a tsp of Epsom salt to a gal of water and get the spray bottle out to foliar the affected plants and help em bounce back.....and yeah , could be from the up pot and peat as mentioned so again.....no biggie.....and.....longtime rule of thumb with coco is.... when in doubt......flush it out.....with 1/2 strength nutrients that is...…

Then reset with appropriate juice concentrations and carry on.....and.....Set your PH a lil lower in the mid-upper 5`s and let shit drift so micros and macros can be assimilated at the different preferred levels......anyways.....My 2 cents from all those yrs......Good luck and.....Holler if I can help.....

Peace.....DHF..... …….

word brother,
this is the real deal.
cheers

 

[S1N1STER]

X3 drip clean is a must with coco. Imo

 

[art.spliff]

just had a view and that drip clean product is a dilution of phosphoric acid or in other words battery acid with another chemical potassium oxide


selling for $45 per liter in liquid form

 

[art.spliff]

i tried to get into organic growing with coco but i'm not so sure how well that will work out


companies mix kelp and fish in the names with their products


but it really looks like a chemical company catalog which isn't ultimately going to work well in my own personal grows how it looks, maybe mix a little coco coir in with the organic soil after all is said and done


just speaking in plain terms here if we call things by their common names we have a basic recipe of: "oh yeah i run bleach, hydrogen peroxide, battery acid, works well with the ammonium nitrate and triple phosphate"

there is a lack of evidence here which itself is a bit of proof, have not seen any proper side by side comparison grow for bottled nutes ever


or


worm castings

 

[Guest]

I go without the drip clean boys, wanted to try it but haven't needed to. And I don't use drippers I use a telescopic wand.

Maybe it's because I only ever feed at 1.2EC that I don't get a build up. Years previous when I would push the EC most definitely made for chemmed out buds, they looked cool, dark green and purple frosted taco'd leaves pushed to their limits, but now Iooking back I'm ashamed of that and wouldn't present buds to anyone grown like that.
I flush for 2 weeks+ BUT I find just a weeks flush makes smooth smokable buds without detectable difference, and green flushed buds no different then faded out buds. Whatever floats your boat.

If you want to do some serious reading then check out medtek https://medteknutrients.com.au and click on 'Grow Info' he has pages and pages of scientific coco/hydroponic cannabis focused grow information covering it all, citing all the research. The most in-depth hydro/coco growing information I've ever come across on the net.
And I'm not a shill for his nutes I don't use them. I'm talking bout the info.

 

[Guest]

i tried to get into organic growing with coco but i'm not so sure how well that will work out


companies mix kelp and fish in the names with their products


but it really looks like a chemical company catalog which isn't ultimately going to work well in my own personal grows how it looks, maybe mix a little coco coir in with the organic soil after all is said and done


just speaking in plain terms here if we call things by their common names we have a basic recipe of: "oh yeah i run bleach, hydrogen peroxide, battery acid, works well with the ammonium nitrate and triple phosphate"

there is a lack of evidence here which itself is a bit of proof, have not seen any proper side by side comparison grow for bottled nutes ever


or


worm castings

Yo art wutup.
I hear what you're saying, I'm cropping so I need the reliability of balanced nutrient, I can't afford an imbalance in my grow media. In my heart of hearts I am an organic head, but I keep that for side gardens and veggies.
I'm of the opinion that using organic inputs with your synthetic nutrients can only benefit. The root microbiome exists whether synethetic ferts or not, so why not nurture it? To be the best it can be instead of just ignoring it. Because the root zone is the engine, no roots no froots (karma G) having healthiest fungal and bacteria in the rootzone will only ever help, and they will out compete the bad bacteria that we don't want fucking things up.
Everything is improved when you improve your roots.

 

[Guest]

https://medteknutrients.com.au/root-disease-prevention-and-management/2/

Check out this, it's 2nd page of a 2 pager take note.

 

[art.spliff]

thank you Dots. bookmarked