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Google, Chevron Build Mirrors in Desert to Beat Coal With Solar

By Greg Chang
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May 23 (Bloomberg) -- Along a dusty two-lane highway in California's Mojave Desert, 550,000 mirrors point skyward to make steam for electricity. Google Inc., Chevron Corp. and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. are betting this energy will become cheaper than coal.

The 1,000-acre plant uses concentrated sunlight to generate power for as many as 112,500 homes in Southern California. Rising natural gas prices and emissions limits may make solar thermal the fastest-growing energy source in the next decade, say backers including Vinod Khosla, the founder of computer maker Sun Microsystems Inc.

Costs for the technology will fall below coal as soon as 2020, the U.S. government estimates. JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Wells Fargo & Co. invested last year in the biggest solar plant built in a generation; Chevron and Google are funding research; and Goldman Sachs is seeking land to lease as demand outpaces wind turbines and geothermal.

``Solar thermal can provide a substantial amount of our power, more than 50 percent,'' says Khosla, who along with the Menlo Park, California, venture capital firm Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers led a $40 million investment in solar power producer Ausra Inc. ``This is an industrial-strength solution.''

Developers need to overcome limited power lines and the need for energy storage systems, while lobbying for the extension of tax credits.

``They have to prove their technology,'' says Reese Tisdale, senior analyst at consulting firm Emerging Energy Research, which estimates solar thermal will lure more than $85 billion in investments by 2020. ``There need to be some significant technology jumps.''

Steam Turbines

The Ardour Solar Energy Index, covering all forms of solar power, climbed 55 percent in the 12 months through yesterday, outperforming an 8.5 percent decline in the Standard & Poor's 500 Index.

Unlike photovoltaic solar panels that convert sunlight to electricity, solar thermal focuses sunrays with mirrors to heat oil in glass pipes to about 700 degrees Fahrenheit (370 degrees Celsius). The oil turns water to steam, which spins an electric turbine.

Nine solar thermal plants built in the California desert from 1985 to 1991 still operate, with Juno Beach, Florida-based FPL Group Inc. running seven. They have combined capacity of 354 megawatts, enough to power 230,000 Southern California homes.

Development slowed when Congress eliminated tax credits for alternative energy in the early 1990s. Laws put in place in 2005 give solar investors a 30 percent tax credit.

Desert Sun

At FPL's solar thermal site in the Mojave, 90 miles northeast of Los Angeles, sunshine beats down 340 days a year. The parabolic reflectors have an efficiency of more than 90 percent, compared with 80 percent for a typical bathroom mirror. FPL uses 4,000-gallon (15,000-liter) trucks to spray water weekly to clean the surfaces, seven feet (two meters) off the ground.

``There's always been a solar resource here,'' says Harvey Stephens, a production manager and one of 100 workers at the plant. ``It's just that it hasn't been cost-effective enough.''

At noon on a typical workday, technicians in a two-story control room monitor a dozen screens showing the heat generated by each array of mirrors. As temperatures creep past 700 degrees, icons blink to red from green, indicating the center is ready to feed electricity to the California grid.

Clouds' Challenge

Temperatures and power production drop as clouds blow across the sky. Solar thermal companies are trying to develop backup heat storage using pressurized boiling water or molten salt that can be warmed to more than 1,000 degrees.

Solar power ``fits with our peak demand very well as long as the sun is cooperating,'' says Michael Yackira, chief executive of Sierra Pacific Resources, the company that owns utilities serving Las Vegas and other Nevada cities. ``When it's cloudy, when it's raining, when it's dark, it doesn't produce power.''

A solar thermal unit that begins operation in 2010 will produce power at 14.2 cents a kilowatt hour, almost triple the 4.8 cents for a plant using pulverized coal, the Energy Information Administration estimates.

Costs for solar thermal may fall as low as 3.5 cents a kilowatt hour by 2020, according to a report commissioned by the U.S. Energy Department. Meanwhile, coal expenses may rise. Congress is considering limits on carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions. The purchase of pollution permits may be required under a measure the Senate will begin debating next month.

`To Beat Coal'

Ausra's plants will produce electricity at 10 cents a kilowatt-hour starting in 2010, and the price will fall to 8 cents a few years later as it adopts systems with fewer parts that will be less costly when widely deployed, the company says.

``We are going to beat coal,'' says Bob Fishman, Ausra's chief executive officer. His company has a contract with PG&E Corp.'s Pacific Gas & Electric for a site in central California.

Chevron, Goldman Sachs, FPL, PG&E and other companies have filed more than 50 applications with the Bureau of Land Management to lease government-owned desert property for solar power systems. Chevron, which has invested in the solar thermal builder BrightSource Energy Inc. in Oakland, California, and Goldman, the biggest U.S. securities firm, declined to comment.

Google's philanthropic division put $10 million into eSolar, a start-up in Pasadena, California. Dan Reicher, a former Energy Department official who manages the unit's climate and energy initiatives, said there will be more such investments.

To contact the reporter on this story: Greg Chang in San Francisco at [email protected]
 
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The current leader in solar technology is First Solar. They are the only ones currently using the next generation wafer technology, that I'm aware of, using cadmium and tellurium and not silicon. There products are lighter, more efficient and more cost effective. Beyond that Ascent Solar will be the next biggie. They have developed a flexible panel that can be used to side houses and cover roofs. Unfortunately this technology is still in development but will be in production sooner rather than later.

As for how well solar stocks are doing...lol...just look at FSLR and especially CSIQ. They're in a correction right now but will shine through in the long run. There's a few other good ones too and some dogs as well. SOL is another good one.
 

Kalifornia

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Solar is awesome,..
I've had a small system for a few years just to tinker with,.
100 amps @12 volt and 3 large Gel cells with a 1200 watt inverter,. works great!
 
Whatever said:
The current leader in solar technology is First Solar. They are the only ones currently using the next generation wafer technology, that I'm aware of, using cadmium and tellurium and not silicon. There products are lighter, more efficient and more cost effective. Beyond that Ascent Solar will be the next biggie. They have developed a flexible panel that can be used to side houses and cover roofs. Unfortunately this technology is still in development but will be in production sooner rather than later.

As for how well solar stocks are doing...lol...just look at FSLR and especially CSIQ. They're in a correction right now but will shine through in the long run. There's a few other good ones too and some dogs as well. SOL is another good one.


According to what the OP posted, this technology is solar-thermal, meaning the sun is used to heat tubes filled with an oil, which subsequently turns liquid water into steam, generating electricity. Giant energy generating turbines, powered by the heat of the sun. Makes sense to me, and I almost wonder why this wasn't one of our first forms of power generation. It seems so simple.
 

FrankRizzo

Listen to me jerky
Aaronponic said:
Makes sense to me, and I almost wonder why this wasn't one of our first forms of power generation. It seems so simple.

Mainly because it only works where there is abundant sunlight. I agree that in a place like Cali or anywhere else there is lots of sun it should be a huge (main) source of power. I don't think it will work as well somewhere like Seattle. There have been some advancements in using the I.R. spectrum in solar panels. Which works much better in places that have less sun light. The tech is years away from what I understand, but once it is available then solar should be much cheaper and usable for more people.
 
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Aaronponic - I'm not saying it's not a promising technology. We'll see how it all works out but panels can be used on small and large installations, are easily scalable, user friendly and as time goes on costs will come down and they will become more efficient. The article is about industrial scale electrical generation. I'm sure it'll have a place down the road but it's not THE solution by a long shot.
 
FrankRizzo said:
Mainly because it only works where there is abundant sunlight. I agree that in a place like Cali or anywhere else there is lots of sun it should be a huge (main) source of power. I don't think it will work as well somewhere like Seattle. There have been some advancements in using the I.R. spectrum in solar panels. Which works much better in places that have less sun light. The tech is years away from what I understand, but once it is available then solar should be much cheaper and usable for more people.



Why couldn't Seattle receive its solar based energy from a plant in eastern WA? I understand what you are saying, but for massive applications, almost every state has some part of it where there is sunlight often enough to make solar applications viable.


I am more interested in the technologies which allow them to store the heat, so that the plant can still be generating energy when clouds are over head, or perhaps even at night.


Western WA needs less power than most places anyway because of all the hydro electric we have around here.
 

FrankRizzo

Listen to me jerky
From what I understand the longer your try to transmit power the more you loose in the process. It may work, but there may be a better alternative. Maybe those underwater turbines that use the tides to create power, something like that. If they can figure out how to tap into the IR spectrum better then you would be able to have power even on cloudy days.
 
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