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Blazing4204365

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Hello IC and fellow growers/smokers!

Been around this forum for some time now searching for info (and Grasscity as well, been more active at GC thou) and I thought it's about time to present myself to you guys here, since i've been gathering a lot of info from this site!

I'm a fairly new grower, just been goring for a little over a year (4 finished crops) indoor. But, due to some things in my personallife, I need to pause my passion for growing INDOOR atm.

This lead me to start planning on my first outdoor project.

Im thinking about 50-100 AF's - divided into two grow-spots (dont wanna put all eggs in the same basket).

I still do have the possibility to pre-veg the plants indoor for the first 2-3 wks.

My plan is to germinate at home, put under 250-500w MH until big enough for transplant at grow-location. (Maybe preveg under MH at home during mid april-mid may and then transpant, input?)


Now, is there anyone here that has pulled off succesfull grows at 60N? Any Swedes? Will all/any AF's do or should I go for a specific one?

I've never touched an AF before and never done outdoor growing, so I'm in need of some advice from you guys.

Thanks for a nice community, I'm looking forward to become a part of this community and share!

:tiphat:
 

ChaosCatalunya

5.2 club is now 8.1 club...
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Remember that the UV from the Sun will fry indoor plants that have not been accustomed to Outdoor life, read up on this here if You did not know about it, they need gently increased exposure over a week or two

Roots are everything with Autos, they do not like transplanting much

"dont wanna put all eggs in the same basket" ... always wise... I would recommend that you apply this to the genetics you use as well... Invest time in researching, be aware that every lying shitbag (almost) in this industry has quickly hacked up auto lines for sale, but that there are a few respected specialists who produce very good lines

Know your country... If you are from the city and unfamiliar with the land, there may well be many traps and pitfalls for you, acting funny in a strange area, unknown car, hunters, mushroomers, nature wardens, walkers, scientists doing studies, local kids also growing weed, poachers, fishermen... so take great care, again, knowledge is power is success
 

Blazing4204365

New member
ChaosCatalunya

Thanks a lot for your input. I did know about the UV light and having to make the plants accustomed, but had forgot about it so thank you very much for that reminder!

Will do some more searching and thinking on how I accustomize the plants for the sun after inital germination-phase.

However, about the transplant-issue with autos, i feel as if I have two ways to do this.

A. Go from seed to harvest at the outdoor grow-spot

B. Germinate and some prevegging at home before one and only transplant.

If I choose to go with option A, I would not have to risk any complications from a transplant, but I wouldn't have the same possibility as to secure the first growth.

Should I choose to go with option B, I secure inital growth and rooting and decrease vulnerability to animals in the first stage - but suffer the inevitable stunned growth that the transplant will cause.

Another reason I want to preveg att home and transplant, is beacuse I dont think it'll be warm enough to plant outside in my area until beginning of may. So thats why I was thinking that prevegging at home would fasten up the process since I then would be able to have my plants at 5-6 inches in may rather than "just germinated".

""dont wanna put all eggs in the same basket" ... always wise... I would recommend that you apply this to the genetics you use as well... Invest time in researching, be aware that every lying shitbag (almost) in this industry has quickly hacked up auto lines for sale, but that there are a few respected specialists who produce very good lines"

Is there any chance at all that you may know which any of these "good lines" are?


Again, thank you for all tips you pointed out, helpfull reminders. This is why I love MJ-communitys, especially the grow-forums!
 

Emmay_Dee

Member
Skunk and Kush. I live in a high altitude desert and nothing took these babys down. Stay away from hybrids because those resistant genomes will become dilute.

~Always~
 

green-genes77

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Are you totally set on auto-flowering plants for security purposes? If you can find a way to accommodate larger plants you are going to get a lot more quantity and quality for your efforts. I would suggest looking into building your efforts around photoperiod sensitive strains and augmenting it with some autoflowers as a stopgap in case of disastrous weather. If you can get to mid-September without a killing frost or a mold outbreak, that opens up a lot of doors. It looks like you are just north of Stockholm (though of course we don't know what your longitude is), so in the south part of the country. I would do some research and find out when your average first killing frost is. It may not be that early unless you are in an especially cold microclimate, but your distance from the sea and your altitude are important factors too. From there it is a matter of finding the ones that can handle whatever rain you get within that ripening period between mid-August and harvest time.

I just wanted to echo the suggestion of Hybrids from Hell. Many of their strains will come in very early in September and yield quite a bit more than most autoflowers. They tend to be of moderate potency but very resistant to pathogens.

Female Seeds has a few early finishers including Maroc, which generally finishes mid-September. It stays small (5 feet) and averages about 2 ounces per vertical foot. Plenty of info on that one and many other fast plants in the Outdoor Strain Guide.

Here is some Maroc that came down the second week of September at 43 N. Lat.

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The guy in this thread: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=121638&page=16
did not get to finish due to rippers but his Typhoon looked to be approaching ripeness at the end of August.

Good luck and happy growing.
 
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gorilla ganja

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That's good advice green-genes77. Only Thing I will add is a mid sept finish for you at 43 is a lot different at 60 North. The same strain would be at least a month later and probably closer to 6 weeks which would probably be to late.
It's the long daylight hrs in the North that will prevent most normal photoperiod strains from finishing properly.
So Blazing4204365 your plan to try auto's is a good one.
I start them indoors, but start them in small cups and transplant after about 2 weeks.
like others have said autos do not take stress well in their short life. Be gentle or you will have very small plants. Also better to plant a bit later to avoid cold weather.

Best of luck and may all your Buds be Huge

Peace GG
 

green-genes77

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That's good advice green-genes77. Only Thing I will add is a mid sept finish for you at 43 is a lot different at 60 North. The same strain would be at least a month later and probably closer to 6 weeks which would probably be to late.
It's the long daylight hrs in the North that will prevent most normal photoperiod strains from finishing properly.
So Blazing4204365 your plan to try auto's is a good one.
I start them indoors, but start them in small cups and transplant after about 2 weeks.
like others have said autos do not take stress well in their short life. Be gentle or you will have very small plants. Also better to plant a bit later to avoid cold weather.

Best of luck and may all your Buds be Huge

Peace GG

That is absolutely true for plants that we might simply call "photoperiod plants", which describes the vast majority of cultivars available. On the other end of the spectrum we have autoflowering plants.

I am suggesting that OP look specifically for plants that are neither, in that they don't necessarily have a threshold darkness period that triggers flowering but instead respond aggressively to decreasing daylength shortly after the solstice. HFH is definitely worth looking at in this regard. Maroc might be a bit of a stretch at 60 but I have seen multiple grow reports of it finishing up fine in the UK at 55 N. Lat. Based on the information that is out there, Maroc starts flowering around the same time at 43 and 53 N. Lat.

There are plenty of growers in the 55-60 range growing plants to full maturity that aren't auto-flowering. I can fully appreciate wanting to have a vast field of little autoflowering plants but it seems like an unnecessary risk regarding plant numbers when there are apparently other options available that would yield better herb and way more of it per plant. To each their own.
 
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ChaosCatalunya

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ChaosCatalunya

Thanks a lot for your input. I did know about the UV light and having to make the plants accustomed, but had forgot about it so thank you very much for that reminder!

Will do some more searching and thinking on how I accustomize the plants for the sun after inital germination-phase.

However, about the transplant-issue with autos, i feel as if I have two ways to do this.

A. Go from seed to harvest at the outdoor grow-spot

B. Germinate and some prevegging at home before one and only transplant.

If I choose to go with option A, I would not have to risk any complications from a transplant, but I wouldn't have the same possibility as to secure the first growth.

Should I choose to go with option B, I secure inital growth and rooting and decrease vulnerability to animals in the first stage - but suffer the inevitable stunned growth that the transplant will cause.

Another reason I want to preveg att home and transplant, is beacuse I dont think it'll be warm enough to plant outside in my area until beginning of may. So thats why I was thinking that prevegging at home would fasten up the process since I then would be able to have my plants at 5-6 inches in may rather than "just germinated".

""dont wanna put all eggs in the same basket" ... always wise... I would recommend that you apply this to the genetics you use as well... Invest time in researching, be aware that every lying shitbag (almost) in this industry has quickly hacked up auto lines for sale, but that there are a few respected specialists who produce very good lines"

Is there any chance at all that you may know which any of these "good lines" are?


Again, thank you for all tips you pointed out, helpfull reminders. This is why I love MJ-communitys, especially the grow-forums!

A hard call on transplanting, so why not stick to the eggs/basket theory and test a few ideas, later go with the best. Those fibre pots look like they might work well

Re Genes, I am no expert, but from what i know...

Short Stuff, Stitch is highly respected, makes giant "semi autos"

Mephisto, Mega expensive, but seems solid, popular, Elite type flavours

Sweet, does seem to be a serious breeder, a friend LOVED their trainwreck, said that outdoor it was as good as the (amazing) Greenhouse seed/clone we ran

Buena Herba does really good Auto Hazes, speak to Moppel on here about these

Dutch Passion Blueberry Auto, the Belgian guys loved this, IIRC ran it in a Greenhouse

Kannabia Maxi Auto Black Domina/ Jack Herer, really good, but 1m tall
 

Blazing4204365

New member
gorilla ganja; I'mma start my indoor and transplant after 2-3 weeks as you do, probably in fibre pots as ChaosCatalunya wrote, to minimize transplant-issues.

green-genes77; Im set on autos beacuse of the short summer we have up here. Though you made me consider throwing in a couple of semi-autos or whatever you wanna call them, but on another location then the two other spots i intend to have autos in. Im looking at HFH as VonBudí linked me.

ChaosCatalunya; Will definitly go with fibre pots! Thanks you for that idea!

Thanks for all the input! Again, i really appriciate how sharing and informative you are! Thank you for a nice welcoming to this site!

Bless
 

Golli

Active member
NIce with more swedish people here!! Also gonna grow basicly same lat as you :)

I hope you share what kind of genetic you choose?
 

Blazing4204365

New member
NIce with more swedish people here!! Also gonna grow basicly same lat as you :)

I hope you share what kind of genetic you choose?

Hello Golli! You're swedish aswell? :smoke:

Yeah, ofc ill share! The nice welcome ive gotten has made me think about turning this thread into a journal of the intended grows, but will definitly update when i've made final decisions on this set up.
 

Golli

Active member
Totaly agree with you! Journal is verry handy even for keeping notes for yourself aswell as getting into new contacts :woohoo:

Gonna make a outdoor thread 2017 here on IC mag aswell.
Normaly my home forum is unleashdagreen.net

Looking forroward to this session :tiphat:


Golli
 
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