New house and setup first time aircooled

[moses224]

QUESTIONS EDITED BASED ON FEEDBACK GIVEN UP TO 2-19-09

I got a great new house ill be moving into April First (no lease agreement and super kewl with owner) (the end of my current harvest so all i have to move is veg) I currently run 3 thousands (magnetic) and one 600 electronic in flower room and in veg 1150w MH mixed 400 and 600 ballast MH and 150 HPS.

Anyway I was hoping you guys could give me some feedback. See my current grow is setup in 2 rooms one room veg and one room flower (seperated on other end of house from each other). There;s no central AC so I have to run wall unit at front of house and it cools flower room (no ac in flower room but i keep it 85 by running main unit at 60 24hours a day.

Now my new setup (ill have pictures wed) I will have 2 rooms (strictly grow( one veg and one flower and they are next to each other so i can cut thru wall and do what i need to do or go up threw attic). The house has central AC I am going to replace all my reflectors with air cooled, my first time running air cooled. I was going to run a 6" fan sucking from first light then exhausting outside. That said will central air work or do i need to buy an indoor air conditioner and exhaust outside (window unit isn't an option).

Second I am thinking of getting rid of my magnetic 1000s and buy Galaxy 600 watt 6 for flower room 12 x 10. This will allow me to save on power so im not noticed and Gallaxy claims they are within 5% output of 1000w????true???? Anyone running and verify? I grow in 3g pots so entire room will have waterproof over floor and I am still up in air as to how to treat walls (i don't need to worry about noise its block and empty lots on both sides of house and its on a water lake,pond ocean something you know( i want the best most reflective. Im thinking panda versus Mylar as Mylar gets dirty and just doesn't have a clean look. My goal is to have 60 3g super cropped in a clean ass room. I want it where you could eat of floor. The rooms have carpet but landlord said due what i want so I was thinking rip out carpe to concrete and paint with garage paint

Next to the rooms (which have full attic above them) is the laundry I will disconnect and run all my ventilation ( after being filtered out the dryer duct. I also have 3 phase so I can buy a 50 amp and turn it into 4-6 120v outlets and then into rooms.

Ok in recap BOLD STILL NEEDS INPUT
1. Do I do six 600 galaxy electronic or 4-5 1000w????
2. Ac with buying the new air cooled hoods and running a 6" line will i need a separate air unit? -FINAL AIR COOLED QUESTION STILL ON INTAKE / OUTTAKE
3. Walls what do you guyz recommend for walls (also if you have recommendation for floor id love to hear it (there's carpet in it now rip it out and paint or cover witj waterproof tarps or anything else you might recommend - FINAL CONCRETE WITH PAINT FLOR FLOORS. WALLS IN AIR MYLAR OR PANDA ALL WALLS?)
4. Climate control - anyone have experience with any atmospheric or other controller that might help me. Money isnt an option I want to do this right. It will pay for itself.

The beauty is I have (edit 2-22) 38 days to get all equipment. I can stsrt set up in 22 days and then full move april 1

Any and all questions or comments please send them as thats the only way ill nail this house down. Thanks to all my fellow ic members in advance.

CURRENT OR SOON TO BE OLD SETUP PARTIAL SHOT FLOWER ONLY

 

[moses224]

bump new 5000-6000 grow

 

[xcrispi]

I used white epoxy garage floor coating in my room and love it . Super bright and it cleans up sweet .

I also like flat white walls verses mylar , I had humid conditions once and had mold between the mylar and walls .

Good luck w/ the new spot man
Crispi

 

[moses224]

I definitely agree about flooring really unsure about venting i can use attic or dryer its a a frame house so i can use attic anyway i want and cutting walls ceiling is no issue i was thinking of moving ac vent from bathroom to flower room and maybe using its old vent in bathroom for intake as its so close to remainder of house or cut a 8"hole in living room and bring it into veg and threw wall to flower then out garage or dryer duct. Again this is the first time I have 2 rooms with no limitations as to what i can do (cut vents etc) so the parameters are endless just need advice as iv always run open house never had the luxury of attic, being able to rip out carpet and moive ac vents as well as cutting holes wherever i need. Lets come up with a jam up plan and i need you guys to help me. Thanks

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[moses224]

Alao was thinking of intake thru dryer with hepa then exhausting into attic anyone tryed this?

 

[itsjustaride]

does this house have a concrete foundation? cause under the house would be ideal, it may be better to exhaust through the dryer vent. and pull freash cool air from the master bedroom. a hot dryer vent is more common than roof or window vents. get some pics up and the ideas will flow.

 

[moses224]

yes full concrete all 2000 sf including garage.

 

[moses224]

OK hears new plan please rip it apart and tell me where im wrong. I am starting to purchase materials so I truly appreciate the help

 

[moses224]

What do you think about my attached drawing instead of dryer exhaust being intake make it exhaust and only use air from hoods (sealed line) put a carbon can 66 on end just to be safe, Then cut hole to attic and just exhaust straight to attic and then another hole to bathroom (old ac vent) for intake???

 

[Cozy Amnesia]

If I were you, I'd put the clone room in the veg room and get your intake from somewhere other than the master bedroom...I mean, that is if you're planning on sleeping at all.

 

[moses224]

Revised drawing to ref1lect your comment check it out

 

[moses224]

If i opt to use mylar on walls in lieu of panda have you guys seen it in ten foot rolls i only see 5 x 100 so id have to stack two rolls to do whole walls. If its not available im going panda white all the way What do you say

 

[moses224]

Alright all I went and looked at ducting yesterday they have an insulated ducting thats still in my price range. Has anyone worked with it? If so is it worth the extra hassle over regular ducting?
Also will it help eliminate flit from seeing heat when say leo flew over house?

I am thinking it the only thing I wont buy from grow shop.

Also what do you think about pulling from the dryer vent thru lights in lieu of pulling from end of light out vent, This will allow fresh air into room?

 

[moses224]

D Day One Fans, Ballast, Bulbs, 30amp w. timer, uv shields and Hoods

 

[sns_stealth]

here's a few pics of the room i built
view laying on the floor

view straight across floor

Bottom is a tarp, sides are connected to each other, and the bottom via velcro

all 6k ballasts....have one timer box that is 240v and 40 amp....runs 8k lights with one timer!!!!

454cfm fan pulling from TWO ac vents to blow across cool tubes

f.u.c.k.i.n 60lb 8in charcoal filter and fan

other side of cool tubes, 454cfm fan pulling on this side

there ya go....flowering room is up, less than 200 in materials. Less than a tent. Any questions?....lol
good vibes

hey moses, Doughboy here, dont know if you know me or not but WT can vouch for me. ive been working with him a while now and I am the tech guy for all the room and ventilation work. im very interested in helping you get a great room, however looking at your sketch and ive got a couple ?s.

1. the dryer vent is at the front of the house correct? street side? (i know you said you have no neighbors)

2. Is the electric meter near there or around house?

3. how is the current a/c set-up? (show supply and return locations with sizes) (is there a return in each room, or are you able to re-route in attic)(is that the main unit above the flower room, i hope so!)

4. if it has central a/c, why do you need an additional intake? youll be getting the same air in veg and extreme temp. fluctuation from the dryer vent sucking in to the flower room (depending on where you live of course).

as for your ?s

Ok in recap BOLD STILL NEEDS INPUT
1. Do I do six 600 galaxy electronic or 4-5 1000w????

6*600/120=30W/sq.ft. ; 5*1000/120= 42W/sq/ft
both are lower than the "usually" excepted standard of 50W/sq.ft. not sure which one you went with, but you may want to run a wall of panda across the room where the angle in the wall is. this is NOT essential but if you find that the girls are a bit "airy" you may want to reconsider


2. Ac with buying the new air cooled hoods and running a 6" line will i need a separate air unit? -FINAL AIR COOLED QUESTION STILL ON INTAKE / OUTTAKE

you should be good if you have more than one return. or can make more.

3. Walls what do you guyz recommend for walls (also if you have recommendation for floor id love to hear it (there's carpet in it now rip it out and paint or cover witj waterproof tarps or anything else you might recommend - FINAL CONCRETE WITH PAINT FLOR FLOORS. WALLS IN AIR MYLAR OR PANDA ALL WALLS?)

concrete floors can get very cold at times and is the last thing you want your tap root headed toward. either a tarp or bonded panda(the depot sells pvc sheet glue near the bath tub section) over the carpet would be best. walls- if not white paint then panda. plain and simple, mylar gets dirty QUICK and is not worth the hassle IMO. you said a clean design, so white paint with titanium(very common) would be my suggestion.

4. Climate control - anyone have experience with any atmospheric or other controller that might help me. Money isnt an option I want to do this right. It will pay for itself.

c.a.p. makes lots of good controllers. what all do you need on it? heater, co2, ventilation, light timer? (dirt or hydro, forgot to ask...lol)


Again, i want to see you have the best room possible. get back with me and we'll hash it out.....

ltr,
db

 

[moses224]

hey moses, Doughboy here, dont know if you know me or not but WT can vouch for me. ive been working with him a while now and I am the tech guy for all the room and ventilation work. im very interested in helping you get a great room, however looking at your sketch and ive got a couple ?s.

c.a.p. makes lots of good controllers. what all do you need on it? heater, co2, ventilation, light timer? (dirt or hydro, forgot to ask...lol)


Again, i want to see you have the best room possible. get back with me and we'll hash it out.....

ltr,
db

1. the dryer vent is at the front of the house correct? street side? (i know you said you have no neighbors) Yes however i am now considering ac vents so i wont have to drill all the additional holes. Either that or run a 8" thru roof and pull from that...

2. Is the electric meter near there or around house? Around side of house b

3. how is the current a/c set-up? (show supply and return locations with sizes) (is there a return in each room, or are you able to re-route in attic)(is that the main unit above the flower room, i hope so!)
y window of flower room (window will be sealed)
4. if it has central a/c, why do you need an additional intake? youll be getting the same air in veg and extreme temp. fluctuation from the dryer vent sucking in to the flower room (depending on where you live of course).

as for your ? agree eliminate

Ok in recap BOLD STILL NEEDS INPUT
1. Do I do six 600 galaxy electronic or 4-5 1000w????

6*600/120=30W/sq.ft. ; 5*1000/120= 42W/sq/ft
both are lower than the "usually" excepted standard of 50W/sq.ft. not sure which one you went with, but you may want to run a wall of panda across the room where the angle in the wall is. this is NOT essential but if you find that the girls are a bit "airy" you may want to reconsider
I BOUGHT 600's and ill have a thousand MH on 6.5' light mover in center of two rows of 600;s

2. Ac with buying the new air cooled hoods and running a 6" line will i need a separate air unit? -FINAL AIR COOLED QUESTION STILL ON INTAKE / OUTTAKE
AIR COOLED AS SHOWN IN PIC
you should be good if you have more than one return. or can make more.

3. Walls what do you guyz recommend for walls (also if you have recommendation for floor id love to hear it (there's carpet in it now rip it out and paint or cover witj waterproof tarps or anything else you might recommend - FINAL CONCRETE WITH PAINT FLOR FLOORS. WALLS IN AIR MYLAR OR PANDA ALL WALLS?)

concrete floors can get very cold at times and is the last thing you want your tap root headed toward. either a tarp or bonded panda(the depot sells pvc sheet glue near the bath tub section) over the carpet would be best. walls- if not white paint then panda. plain and simple, mylar gets dirty QUICK and is not worth the hassle IMO. you said a clean design, so white paint with titanium(very common) would be my suggestion. GOING PANDA STILL HAVE TO FIGURE FLOOR OUT

Thanks in advance for taking time to ask and answer

 

[sns_stealth]

no problem man.

most important ? i have: how many returns does your central a/c have and is there 1 in each in the room along with the supply vent.

 

[moses224]

Exactly. Im pulling the one from bathroom into flower room so two vents into flower room and dummy fan in bathroom (guest)

 

[sns_stealth]

right. those are supplys. there is also a vent, probably near the middle of the house, outside the bedrooms thats returning air back to the a/c system. the reason i ask is you can bring the supply from the bath room, thru a fan, split with a "Y"*, run through the tubes, reconnect with a "Y", thru second fan, then thru ceiling and into the return box in attic. this is a dramatic temp. diff. I ran a single 400W w/ cool tube and fan to attic at my last place and with 4 1000W running here it is much much cooler. i dont know many that can rest there hand on a 1000W tube usually, but its no problem here.

if you return all the light air AND the air from the charcoal filter to the return box then all the air in the house will be heavily filtered. and the tube will be dust free. also filling the attic with hot air from lights will over work your a/c alot more than shooting it into the return will. little more setup work, but VERY worth it.

*spliting the ducting allows it to evenly distribute to (and from) both rows of lights. if you run one tube past the other then blow out, i believe youll have temp problems with one side or the other.

ive done some other updating since those pics, ill try to get WT to shoot some more pics of it. in veg i ducted from the ceiling supply down to light level, looped it around/over the cool tubes then cut rectangles out for venting. I just cut the metallic outside, the insulation and the plastic wall of the inside tube while leaving the metal wire in place for structure. think ill do a D-I-Y on it soon.(oh yeah, i ramble sometimes.....)

db

 

[moses224]

SNS ...wt got with me i feel better.....yes dog please tear my design apart...i don't move in till April first so have time. I also have access in interim so im going to go this weekend and get some photos of attic and room to show you.....you answer above is EXACTLY what ive been looking for......good vibes and thanks ill post those pics tonight or morning as soon as i can safely get in house w/o current tenants knowing...they think someone from out of state is moving in a large family.....anyways ill catch ya in a few....props