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New grow room advice needed

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Tom 'Green' Thumb
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I am almost finished building a new grow room at a friends house and was wondering if some of you could give me some advice on the setup or anything else that I might be doing wrong. I have the room filled with plants already, but only with two 1000 watt HPS at the moment. There is enough plants here for four 1000 watters, but I plan on adding the extra two very soon. I will be using air cooled hoods that really are not needed yet, but since summer is just around the corner I want to be prepared. I have still yet to add the door and the air cooled hoods to have everything finished, but other than that everything is well on it's way. It's kind of weird to have plants in an unfinished room, but thats the way it worked out this time.

I started these plants at another location, so they got a little tall and lanky for my liking. Now I have the problem of growing height, but I will get to that later. I will explain my grow below to give you a better idea of what it's like and then hopefully I can get some good advice from some of you more experienced growers.

I have totally sealed the room with B&W plastic to contain the smell. The air being exhausted by the CAN100 cardon scrubber now creates a vacuum that is aparent when turned on. The whole rooms plastic can be seen being sucked inward, and when the door is open air rushes in. So in my mind I have succesfully created a room that will not let any air excape other than going through the carbon scrubber first. If there are any leaks the smell will not flow out, but be sucked into the room with fresh air from other parts of the house.

I am only using half the room, but unfortunately I had to plastic the whole room to maintain its air seal. I didn't want un-carbon scrubbed air entering the living areas of the home. All air now leaves the room carbon scrubbed, and clean air will be sucked in from another room adjacent to this one through a passive intake. Suction pulls in all the air the room needs.

Right now that passive intake vent doesn't exist and the air is being pulled in from a leak in the plastic door to the room. To my amazement even with the plastic door a vacuum is created. Eventually this plastic door will be replaced with a normal wooden door, and then the vent will be needed. I must make sure I make the vent hole not too large, or else air will start to leak from the room. It is important to keep the vacuum that the carbon scrubber and fan create at an optimal level.

I hung the carbon scrubber from the ceiling with chain and two hooks drilled into the houses floor support. The fan powering the carbon scrubber is an Elicent 200B. I think it should be powerful enough. Some pictures of the setup have been placed below.









The timer box is all being powered by the dryer plug that is located about 10 feet outside the grow room. I snaked it up through the floor boards and into the room. The top right plugs power the HPS at 220, and the lower plug will be used to power a fan, thermostate ect. at 110.

Also for safety, the power coming into the house has a main shut off situated even before the main breaker box to the house. This I was told by my electrician friend will make the operation much more safe. That I no nothing about, but seems logical to me.

The two ballasts being used now in the picture are on concrete blocks, but this is just temporary. Eventually I want to position the ballasts outside the room. I originally wanted to keep the ballasts inside the room, but after seeing how much heat 2 of them put off and knowing I need another 2, I decided to move them outside the room.









The room originally had a furnace return vent. Since this room will be cooled with the central air conditioner for the home, I needed to block this off. If not un-carbon scrubbed air would be circulated all over the house making the smell also distribute. I sealed it up with B&W plastic and relocated it to the next room where the carbon scrubber expells the clean air. This way the carbon scrubbed air can now be sucked into the return vent. This was easy to do as the air duct extended through the first room into the grow. All I had to do was cut a new vent hole in the other room, and with the old vent sealed it made the new vent operational.

The next picture is of the funace vent. This is the only one in the grow room and is closed at the moment. As soon as the weather gets warmer and the central air conditioner is turned on it will be opened. This is the only vent that will be cooling the room with air from the air conditioner. I hope this works in combination with the carbon scrubber and furnace return vent relocated outside the grow room. Since summer weather is not here yet, I have yet to see how this will work out. It seems logical that it should work, but in reality sometimes things work out differently. If any of you see a problem with the way this is set up I would be most interested to here from you.







This is the part of the room that I am most worried about. I hope with the central air, air cooled hoods and ballasts located outside the room that it will be enough cooling for the upcoming hot summer days. I know this should be enough, but with me relocating the return vent and with the suction created by the carbon scrubber and fan, it changes the way air is circulated throughout the home. Time will tell I guess.
 

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Tom 'Green' Thumb
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Below is a picture of the air cooled hoods I purchased. Each one was only $150.00 and seem of very good quality, unfortunately I can't remember the manufacturers name. The tempered glass is easily sealed to the hood and it seems that it will not leak any air. These hoods I plan on cooling with an Elicent 200B. I will have four of these eventually and I hope the Elicent 200B will have enough power to cool all four. Anyone have any suggestions please let me know.

The air from all four hoods will be expelled outside the home behind a bunch of garbage cans for stealth reasons. The air being circulated through them will come from a vent that will pull air from the next room. This room is also in the basement so it should be fairly cool, and with the central air on it should prove effective. I have yet to set this up but will be doing so in the next few days as I believe my plants are ready to switch to 12/12.



Next picture is of the dehumidifer that is being used to reduce the humidity. At first I was worried since this was a sealed room that it wouldn't remove enough of the humidity to an acceptable level. After using it for a week or so it keeps humidity down to 55% to 60%. This seems okay as long as it does not creep any higher. I believe it is a 6 litre dehumidifier, and it is full every day. I have yet to attach a hose to the drain, but will be doing this shortly. That way I won't have to empty it all the time and it can run when needed. Sometimes I am late empying it and I believe this is why my RH won't go lower than 55%. If ran all the time I'm sure it would go another 5 to 10% lower.



The last pictures are just random shots of the room and plants. The plants, as I stated earlier are much larger than I wanted and a little bit too lanky. This happened because I had the plants vegging somewhere else and room and lighing were tight. We ended up having to wait for the electrician to change the house from 60 amp to 100 amp much longer than we expected. This made transporting the plants a pain in the butt, not to mention now they are much taller than they should be.

My main problem is all the plants are very tall and I have not even triggered them yet. When the air cooled hoods are setup I am only going to have two feet give or take for them to stretch. I am wondering what I should do. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I thought of putting a net over them, cutting the tips or just bending and tieing them down. I know there are a few options, but I want to do what will be best for production.







So there you have it. Thats about as much as I can think of right now. If you have any questions on the setup, or like I stated earlier, any suggestions or advice please let me know. I think I have everything under control but I would love to here what some of you more experienced growers have to say. Thank in advance!

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Grownz

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Yea nice set up! Very informative. Seems you have put alot of effort into it. I personally would put a screen over them, but that's just me! lol

As for the cooling issues you mentioned, i have no idea. Never worked with air-cooled hood, AC or 1000w. Maybe someone with expenience with them will chime in. Either that or you will have to wait and see. I like the vents and using the house AC. Smart thinking. I have also had plants ready to go before the room was ready, it's a pain, but you gotta work with what you got aye!

Keep up the good work man.
 

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Tom 'Green' Thumb
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Thanks for the response guys! I am really worried how cool the room will be in the middle of summer and also the problem with plant height has me a little concerned as well. I did a 3 - 1000 watt grow before in a basement and didn't even use air cooled hoods in the middle of summer and the central air to the home made the room almost perfect growing temperature. I was thinking if the grow stays cool enough without the air cooled hoods being used I could use the lights without shrouds and do a vertical grow. That way I won't have to worry about plant height as all the plants will surround the lights and can grow to the ceiling if need be. There would be the perfect amount of plants for 4 -1000 watt vertical HPS bulbs. This would be ideal as it would increase light coverage, would correct my problem with plant height and increase yeild. The down fall would be heat build up.

I never really wanted to use the air cooled hoods to begin with as I knew it would decrease my yeild, but I thought there would be no way around it with so many lights. I will add the other two lights and see how hot the room gets and go from there. I probably would be okay for the first while, but when it gets more toward the middle of summer it will be hard to switch up, so this will make things complicated. If it doesn't work, oh well, I'll just hook up the hoods and fan and tie the hell out of most of the plants and thin the rest out.

I will be taking pictures tomorrow to show you how the room and plants are progressing. Things seem to be going well other than those two mile stones I need to cross. Any advice please feel free to speak up. After this grow I will have the new plants vegged to the perfect height, so this problem will not happen again.

Again, any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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Grownz

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I'd think that if you were going to do a vertical lighting setup you'd have to run cooltubes? Never done one tho so i'm not sure. Just dunno if you'd be able to keep it cool enough. If your temps are okay at the moment it might be possible. Either verticals or you'll have to do some serious training. All the strains i have grown would strech to the ceiling at the height they are now! That's a good thing LOL Gotta love trees.
You'd want to be able to drop that humidity another 10% for the end of flower as well. Around 40% is the optimal range for the last couple of weeks from experience and reading.
Awaiting your update!!
 

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Tom 'Green' Thumb
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Grownz, thanks for the cool tube idea! I now wish I purchased them instead of the air cooled hoods. I have never used hoods before and always on my larger grows used the vertical setup with plants situated around. I figured with this grow continuing on into summer I would need the air cooled hoods, but now that everything is setup I can see the way things are going and it would have been best to go with the cool tubes. I should have stuck to what I knew best and stayed vertical.

I think tomorrow I am going to see if they are available at my local hydroponic store here in town. If they are not in stock or don't carry them I will have to order them and they won't be here in sufficient time for this grow, so I will just end up using what I have. Like I stated earlier, if I can get away without using any type of cooling hoods or tubes this go around I would benefit greatly. The heat issue is my deciding factor.

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Tom 'Green' Thumb
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Well, it's been a while since the last time I posted and a lot has happened since. The door is finished and now I have three 1000 watt HPS hanging vertically. I had to loose the air cooled hoods as my foot print was way too small for the amount of plants, and with them being so large they wouldn't fit without bending and/or crowding. The plants have finished their stretch and I am happy they finally did as a few have made it to the ceiling!

I just starting giving bud formula a few days ago as I usually wait until the stretch is finished before switching. The plants are looking very healthy with the exception of a few burnt leaves from trying to reposition them. It has really proven to be a pain in the ass working with so many large plants. Moving them around without them touching the lights is next to impossible. I will have to keep them in their current position for the time being. Next crop they will be triggered at a much smaller size if no problems arise like this time around.

I believe yield should be very good as I have tried to utilize the lights as efficiently as possible. I have to water daily as the pots are smaller than I would like and the temps have gotten to the mid 80's lately with the weather we have been having. It is only going to get hotter so I will have to start up the central air conditioner soon. That brings me to my next mile stone.

I went to turn the air conditioner on the other day to test it. It was purchased with the house and is only a year old. The friggen thing doesn't work! The fan starts, but the air circulating through the home is not cold. I checked everything and from what I can see looks fine. It's as clean as can be and the wiring isn't corroded in the least. There is one black module in the wiring that looks like it has been burnt on one of its connections, but not badly. I don't know if this is the problem, but this will be our second try at a fix. The first was changing the thermostat to a new electronic one. That didn't do the trick, but it looks much nicer lol.

The grow room is now finished and very stealthy. No smell in the least and with the door closed you wouldn't know it was there. So basically were safe to have someone come in to fix it, but this is a last resort. I don't like the idea of someone coming into the home. Should be fine but still creeps me out. I need this air working very soon as it will start to get warmer as summer approaches. There can't be a grow without problems now can there? I keep trying to remind myself that these are only normal adaptation problems and are to be expected. The next crop should be problem free – I hope.

I will take some pictures tonight to let you all see how things are progressing. The plants actually have little buds forming. I am so exited!

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58FLH

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This is a nice looking set up but I did see what could be a safety issue. Hanging the lights by the power supply cord doesn't look very safe to me. This isn't critizing just a possible safety issue. Grow safe
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