NEW Colorado Growers Thread

[jidoka]

What state has tighter refs than CO?

What regs would you like to see?

 

[SoiledMyself]

Its not the regulations man, it's about getting people in the industry who don't manipulate the regulations in order to pass testing. People who actually care about getting clean cannabis to consumers as opposed to the crowd that is just there to tell people they work in the cannabis industry, hiring growers who know what they are doing as opposed to those without any horticultural experience but will run through a wall if you tell them to because they are dying to work in the "industry". And FYI as a member of the harvest team I was actually paid more than most of the "growers" where I worked , work ethic , job knowledge and professionalism being the reasons , grower/trimmer/budtender/harvester not much difference in clout now, you have a job you do it no more glory in one as opposed to the other.

 

[jidoka]

Ima take those run through a wall guys any day. Sorry

 

[SoiledMyself]

I know you will, because when you tell them to spray hours before the harvest comes down due to pm being extremely prevalent throughout the cycle they will do it no questions asked. When you tell them the last batch of Tahoe had pm they legit say "what is pm?" , when you tell them you don't spray anything on your cannabis in flowering they don't understand, the type to eat mcdonald's and not question anything. The type that wasn't growing prior to legality because they don't question what they're told. The type that processes batch after batch of product with pm, the type that alters and manipulates samples in order to pass testing. The type that will cheat when asked, the type to never question if the safety/health conditions of the workplace are adequate.

I am not that type, I am the type to question everything and figure out for myself what is right/wrong/ who is good/bad and use my mind and think for myself. A trait so necessary in these times yet rarely found now. Don't worry there are run through the wall types lined up all the way to Nebraska ready to spray pesticides every day and not question authority under any conditions.

 

[Avinash.miles]

I know you will, because when you tell them to spray hours before the harvest comes down due to pm being extremely prevalent throughout the cycle they will do it no questions asked. When you tell them the last batch of Tahoe had pm they legit say "what is pm?" , when you tell them you don't spray anything on your cannabis in flowering they don't understand, the type to eat mcdonald's and not question anything. The type that wasn't growing prior to legality because they don't question what they're told. The type that processes batch after batch of product with pm, the type that alters and manipulates samples in order to pass testing. The type that will cheat when asked, the type to never question if the safety/health conditions of the workplace are adequate.

I am not that type, I am the type to question everything and figure out for myself what is right/wrong/ who is good/bad and use my mind and think for myself. A trait so necessary in these times yet rarely found now. Don't worry there are run through the wall types lined up all the way to Nebraska ready to spray pesticides every day and not question authority under any conditions.

if you paid a lick of attention to WHO you are having a conversation with you would know that jidoka is not "that type" either, on the contrary he is working with industry types for preventative nutrition... hence making plants healthy enough to never need those late in the run sprays for bugs/fungus/pathogens.

the same "type" that will spray toxins at week 7 if told to do so will do the RIGHT thing if told to do that...

 

[Avinash.miles]

i would tell yall to keep the arguments civil, but i'd also like to see them be coherent... can't even follow the thought-train of the last few pages...

 

[Avinash.miles]

I was recently fired from a prominent Dispensary because I brought up a couple medical batches that had p.m.and that spraying our pesticides/fungicides the day before harvest is not right, after a few weeks of harassing me they tried to get me to sign an agreement that would have given them the right to legal action if I shared basically anything with anyone. I refused and was fired, I want nothing more than to shed light on the fact that these greed mongers have zero ethics regarding the safety of their product.

this is a very old story, basically happpened to me waaay back in the early med-only days of colorado warehouse days....
i was told to spray eagle on a room in week 7-8... just before harvest, i refused and was fired

pro-tip - if u want to keep your job & don't want to be fired just spray water and say it had the e20 in it....
that's the price of working for someone else; you don'tget to make all the decisions
want to make all the decisions? do it yourself not as an employee for someone else

 

[Avinash.miles]

Sure you would.

CO has the strongest protection in the USA. Sorry it ain’t enough for you. 10 yrs ago, were you smoking?

iirc in oregon you have to submit 10 lbs or something like that for testing, you submit a BATCH, not a sample of the batch
the lab tests from that batch...
imo that's a lil more strict than colorado

my problem is taht the restrictions in colorado often carry no teeth
like all those recalls for tainted cannabis from pesticides and fungicides carried hardly any (if any at all) fines for the perpetrators (those who sold tainted cannabis) - to my knowledge no body has lost a license solely over improper practices in their grow in colorado (could be wrong... pls leme know if i am!)

agree that colorado has pretty tight standards for safety but common practices in industry grows makes it obvious that those regulations are easy to bypass and in many cases carry no teeth....

seems like the state would rather bust a bunch of budtenders for selling 2-5 ounces in one day to a single customer than go after improper practices in industry grows.... just how it seems right now.


FINALLY - soiled myself: i wish i could have warned you.... i tell everyone that people running dispensaries don't want know it alls they want blank slates
best advice in a dispensary grow job is to follow orders and only speak up w advice when asked.... if you HAVE to speak up be like "do u mind if i point something out?" and be all "i'm not trying to step on anyones toes" no matter what you say & how u say it, it will probably be taken as toe-stepping by SOMEONE in the mix, and be prepared to be ignored
also, in many cases it's not about WHAT you know it's about WHO you know....
that's avi's advice for entry level work in the colorado industry, it's only about 8 years old now but i think much of it still is relevant in todays weed jobs world of colorado.....

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

How do you know you made progress. W/o data where is excess K stored? Where is excess Ca stored? How do you know

See? More misrepresentation. I have never posted a single line regarding any specific element or where it is stored(beyond 'new growth') No clue what you've been reading into my posts.

Progress is easy to measure against the significantly poor quality it's compared against. Where do you work again, so I can grab samples and show folks the difference?

 

[bsgospel]

my problem is taht the restrictions in colorado often carry no teeth
like all those recalls for tainted cannabis from pesticides and fungicides carried hardly any (if any at all) fines for the perpetrators (those who sold tainted cannabis) - to my knowledge no body has lost a license solely over improper practices in their grow in colorado (could be wrong... pls leme know if i am!)

The penalties do get pretty stiff. The fines can be anywhere from $10,000 to $100,000 and the license is flagged forever and you continue to pay operating costs without producing anything. Even if you sell the license to someone else, that license carries that history and the buyer buys that history (which makes it very unattractive and cumbersome. The license is now damaged goods.) Your reputation gets trashed. Most product on hand is destroyed. If rooms or hallways test for residual- all the product in the building is destroyed. That's where it adds up, too, even if you get new genetics. You probably shred at least another hundred grand or two because some grower in 2012 used E20 in veg and it got on the walls. And the testing for such a thing is nonsense. Bonafide gives you one number, RM3 gives you a drastically higher number. Agricorp won't do the environmental test at all because ethically and logistically no one can say for sure what the numbers are or how to obtain a legit sample.

And I gotta agree about having a strong stomach when working for dispensaries. If you're opinionated and experienced- GM's and hiring managers figured out over the last few years that you'll be trouble. We can spot ya from a mile away. If the head grower had 16 arms, they'd take care of it all themselves. Not to say that people can't come in and have a positive impact but your approach is everything.

 

[SoiledMyself]

Thanks for the input everyone, jidoka I obviously did my research and no disrespect was intended but if you attack me for just sharing information that I have no reason to lie about I am going to defend myself. Avinash I was warned many times and for 6 months I was early to work , yes sir no ma'am , received raises at 1/3/6 months, didn't talk about growing at all. Politely pointed out that a batch of weed had pm, watched it go on the medical shelf, few days later one of the run through the wall types sprayed right before a harvest, the rei time was broken compromising my health.I was not polite about how I brought that up, I was harassed for a few weeks then fired. For the better as I can't pretend to be a robot any longer than that, have to get in there and see what it's all about for yourself at some point. I never intended for this discussion to turn into a shit show, merely shared a story and got baited into an idiotic argument, check my post history never happened before and won't happen again.

 

[SoiledMyself]

if you paid a lick of attention to WHO you are having a conversation with you would know that jidoka is not "that type" either, on the contrary he is working with industry types for preventative nutrition... hence making plants healthy enough to never need those late in the run sprays for bugs/fungus/pathogens.

the same "type" that will spray toxins at week 7 if told to do so will do the RIGHT thing if told to do that...

I was not implying jidoka was that type friend, it was in reference to the type of employee wanted. Blasting a room an hour and a half before a harvest team comes in to chop down is never the right thing to do, that is what I meant by late in flowering.

 

[jidoka]

I mighta gone full dick mode last night. Most of these guys are not close to what the perception seems to be. I work for one guy that will give anyone a ride to the hospital customer or not

And yea, it ain’t uncommon to face all kinds of pest/disease when you walk in. You gotta use the allowed stuff at least til you get the stock plants changed out

Then it is nutrition. At least til someone that knows better decides not to follow sop. That is why I oppose “growers”

Anyways, got one place on zero ipm and another close. Still coco and salts so I ain’t claiming Avinash quality but neither are many others

 

[jidoka]

Evil commercial weed...cherry picked pics but still

 

[h.h.]

The penalties do get pretty stiff. The fines can be anywhere from $10,000 to $100,000 and the license is flagged forever and you continue to pay operating costs without producing anything. Even if you sell the license to someone else, that license carries that history and the buyer buys that history (which makes it very unattractive and cumbersome. The license is now damaged goods.) Your reputation gets trashed. Most product on hand is destroyed. If rooms or hallways test for residual- all the product in the building is destroyed. That's where it adds up, too, even if you get new genetics. You probably shred at least another hundred grand or two because some grower in 2012 used E20 in veg and it got on the walls. And the testing for such a thing is nonsense. Bonafide gives you one number, RM3 gives you a drastically higher number. Agricorp won't do the environmental test at all because ethically and logistically no one can say for sure what the numbers are or how to obtain a legit sample.

And I gotta agree about having a strong stomach when working for dispensaries. If you're opinionated and experienced- GM's and hiring managers figured out over the last few years that you'll be trouble. We can spot ya from a mile away. If the head grower had 16 arms, they'd take care of it all themselves. Not to say that people can't come in and have a positive impact but your approach is everything.

You have to have a strong stomach to work for anybody. A business is only as honest as those who run it. Some are, some aren't. A lot of new folks in the business trying to stay afloat with 3 more shops around the next corner. It is no longer a bro circuit.
If you really knew who you were dealing with, you got good weed. There were no regulations. No protections.
As unscrupulous as the money changers are, the shit ain't come up from Mexico carried in someone's spare gas tank. We still have a long ways to go and we will never get there as hard as we try.

I worked construction. Same shit. Newbies trying to run it their way while never been's try to cut corners to buy bigger houses. I was never one not to call OSHA or not to leave a detail sheet where the customer could "find" it.
You have to stick to your morals. You also have to be careful who you slam. Generalities don't cut it. That goes both ways really.

It takes good oversight. Most want to do the right thing but that big house on Mesa Road, it's really nice.

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

I mighta gone full dick mode last night. Most of these guys are not close to what the perception seems to be. I work for one guy that will give anyone a ride to the hospital customer or not

And yea, it ain’t uncommon to face all kinds of pest/disease when you walk in. You gotta use the allowed stuff at least til you get the stock plants changed out

Then it is nutrition. At least til someone that knows better decides not to follow sop. That is why I oppose “growers”

Anyways, got one place on zero ipm and another close. Still coco and salts so I ain’t claiming Avinash quality but neither are many others

My apologies. I read something I attributed to you and it was not. You're pursuing a goal I haven't the resources to chase and have to do a lot of work to keep things clean in my rooms.

Please feel free to shove my rantings at the growers you despise. Thanks, and keep up the awesome work.

 

[Avinash.miles]

from warren edson (lawyer/cannabis activist):

So Denver has spent over 100 man hours, according to the City Attorney, and utilized 11 Detectives, in order to charge a cannabis church with violation of the Colorado Clean Indoor Air Act as well as Complicity for Public Consumption of Cannabis. Maximum possible penalty..... $300. Tomorrow we start a 3 day Jury trial. Fabulous use of resources.

 

[meowmeowmeow]

Even out here the fuckery is still present.
I just try to stay lifted.

 

[h.h.]

I try to stay over 6,000 feet.

 

[Jhhnn]

from warren edson (lawyer/cannabis activist):

Gave me a chuckle. They may not get a conviction here in Denver. If they do, the Church may appeal it.

Imagine a Mega Church dedicated to the sacrament of Cannabis...