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[asadmeow]

i am using regular potting soil in a 10inch pot with about 150w of flourecent lighting for one plant. Its about a month into flowering and my plant started getting sick.

have NOT been using nutrients the whole grow and everything was fine, but now starting to show signs of deficincies so i bought some plant food for flowering plants. its been 3 days since the introduction of nutrients and it still looks pretty bad.

all of my big fan leaves look like to this (prior to adding nutes): (smaller upper leaves still looking good, just a little droopy)










(whole plant, white stuff is fungicide..still drying)

 

[bongasaurus]

well, how much fertilizer did you give that plant. better start flushing

 

[Guest]

you need to get an fungicide and spray down your plants.

 

[asadmeow]

i dont think its over-fertilized, i might have been unclear but these leaves were like this before i bought the nutrients.

about it being a fungus... i think that might be it, it gets really crispy and rough but only in the brown part. do they sell fungicide for plants at garden centers?

 

[bongasaurus]

oops my bad. i interpreted this as after you gave them the new ferts...

 

[asadmeow]

bought some organic fungicide... gonna see if that works!

 

[Farmer John]

Flush...flush..flush...

 

[asadmeow]

really think its nutrient burn? how do i tell? im 100% sure the leaves were like this before i added nutes

 

[packn2puff]

Peat based potting soil pH can really drop out on you if you don't watch it..kinda looks like..low pH damage..could be a fungus..
could be a micro nute def like iron..possible root rot too..
Need more info..what are your temps and pH...what brand of potting soil..was it enriched (have a NPK rating)..most potting soils do have some slow release fert in um these days..
How long have they been in the same pot..possible root-bound..
Hard to say without more info..but they look low pH from here..and/or precipitated salt build up..
Looks a lot like a P (Phosphorus Def) as well..
Hopefully you have something to read pH..but a good flush wouldn't hurt..
After a good flush and pH is good 6.5-7.0..give them a feed on the last one..chem ferts can burn easily..organics are more forgiving..
Check out MyNameStitch Sticky thread in this forum..
They can seem fine while young..but as they get older..problems begin to show their ugly head..
All for now..

 

[asadmeow]

thanks packn2puff.. i dont have anything to read PH, this is pretty much an experiment grow. im just looking to smoke some homegrown buds... its been in a 10 inch pot since it stared flowering.

my plan is to flush it, then feed it, keep at it with the fungicide, and hope for the best.

basically my question now is its got about another 4 weeks till harvest... if it doesnt get any worse, will i still be able to harvest some nice buds? as it is now they look delicious. i know the yeild wont be as high as if it was in perfect health, but i gotta work with what i can do, right?

 

[Guest]

OK, well here's my take on this:

First off, your plant looks a little like it's been overwatered.....that'll make it droop a bit......Actually, could be under watering also.....hard to tell from the pic.
Next, since you just recently started to feed for the first time, you may have developed a deficiency of some sort. A plant a month into flower is going to start to suck shit out of it's fan leaves as it's making flowers and preparing to die. Hence the deficiency.
What kind of ventilation does this girl have? Do you have a fan blowing around her?
So, if that was my plant I would not flush since you haven't been over ferting when the problem started. Instead, I'd give a dilute feeding of an organic fert that's more complete than MG about every 3rd watering for the next 2/3 weeks. Then plain water until harvest.......and watch it on how much you water.

Good luck.

Bh

 

[packn2puff]

You must have added that last pic while I was posting..I agree with Biped they do have that over water look..root rot..
I think she should be big enough to handle a flush and probably like it..I always have a good rebound after a flush..fresh O2'ed water..and clean up salts..
What exactly are you using for fert..Brand..NPK numbers on front..Hopefully it is low in N at his point
How far along is she..like biped said, as they come to an end she will naturally consume her fan leaves..usually oldest first..or "out-of-the-light" leaves..
I was thinking flush to get your pH in order and clean out salts..not for over-ferting reasons..ditto on using organics..much more forgiving..
The 1st pic I'm guessing is under an HPS light..from the pics they look like two different plants..
The 1st pics look like severe P, Mg, iron, etc. def..but the 3rd pic she doesn't look so bad..color-wise..and almost too many leaves

 

[packn2puff]

Forgot to say pH is important..and if the water you are using is high pH..and the acid acting peat has kept things in check so far..but with a big root system now..
water pH could be too high..a flush with that same water might not be a good idea after-all..
At least get some pH strips from the pet store..flushing wihout knowing the pH of the source water or soil..isn't the best idea..a crap shoot..

 

[Guest]

I think she should be big enough to handle a flush and probably like it..I always have a good rebound after a flush..fresh O2'ed water..and clean up salts..

Packn2puff,

I'm just curious....where do you figure asadmeow picked up the extra salts from that you think need to be flushed? I mean, if he's only ever ferted this plant once & it was after his leaves started turning................
His soil's probably already depleted somewhat. Look at all the growth he's gotten out of it with no ferts.

Bh

 

[asadmeow]

the plant is 4 weeks into flowering 12/12. the first pic isnt under an HPS, i have 150w of flourecent in a very small area. the first two pics were in the grow area up close, the 3rd just in my room which has bad lighting.

i flushed it some with spring water. i didnt get the water completely clear but i dont think it hurt to get some fresh H20 down there. ill pick up some PH strips soon

the fertilzer im using is for flowering plants, 'bloom burst', 10-52-10...it says a teaspoon/gal but ive been doing about half... should i increase it because it obviously is in dire need of some food?

 

[Guest 10952]

Have to becareful with that strong food man. 52 is really high. I would diffently flush and wait and see what if it helps. Good Luck man.

 

[Verite]

How long did it veg for? Theres two rules of thumb regarding pot size both work fine. 1. a gallon of soil for every month of expected life. 2. a gallon of soil for every expected foot in height.

Either way you end up with a 3-5 gallon pot size and Im not sure a 10" pot is enough.

The other advice is spot on too. Until you know what diff nutes do to the ph base of what you are feeding the plant the nutes can sit in the soil building up unused. Hanna makes a nice cheap ph meter for $25.

 

[packn2puff]

Biped..I don't know what soil asad used..but I'm guessing it was fortified with chem release pellets..I don't know if he has any salts left behind due to pH imbalance precipitation..
May not be any salt build up..just trying to help a guy that that doesn't have many resources on hand..
and a flush (two pot sizes of water) finished with a feeding..I just think a plant that size in that pot would benefit from a flush and feed..
If you can't pinpoint it and you got a large root system..then I say flush and get back to a more neutral position..
Might be completely wrong..who am I..just an opinion on this situation..

 

[Aldous]

It looks like sometime of fungus....but couldn´t be 100% sure. Remeber... when your plants are not used to nutriets, it´s not good to feed them too much. It´s like having nothing to eat for a day or two and then eating too much. The first thing I would do, would be to take those leaves away. If it is some kind of illness, you have more chances of it spreading if you leave the sick leaves. Hope they get better!

Best regards,

Aldous

 

[asadmeow]

update-
either the flushing + feeding is starting to work
or the fungicide is helping

either way my plant isnt getting worse. i removed most of the fan leaves that were in bad shape and the rest of them havent started to turn retarded. as long as the problems not getting worse im okay...for now!

another question... some of the hairs on the buds turn a pretty reddish color and some are just turning brown and shrivled. arent they suposed to turn red before they go brown, could it be bud rot?