NepJam and Banghi Haze :-)

[early_bird]

I like to report my new grow here.
I have little experience with some dutch hybrids, but now i wanna grow some nice sativas.

Cabinet:
G-Tools Bonanza Mini with XL Extension. 60x60cm area, about. 2,36m high. Without space for pots and other stuff i have about 1,20 to max 1,35 cm height for the plants.
I installed some electric sockets and doubled the air inlet.

Ventilation:
S&P TD-350 mit Trafo and dimmed with thermostat. Sondec for exhaust air. On daytime on 150V, Nighttime @120V.
Very silent on daytime, not possible to hear anything at nighttime.

Light
dimmable Gravita 400W ballast



Plants
I have 10x Nepalese Jam and 5x Banghi Haze. I´m not sure about veg time and size of pots, some input whould be appreciated.

My plan is to veg 12 seedlings in 9,5x9,5x11 cm pots for about 14 days (depends on growing speed) and transplant them into 3,5 L pots after the roots are strong enough. After a few days (when plants have about 15cm) i switch them to 12/12 and remove males after they showed sex.
After selection of the female plants i transplant them to 6L pots, i aim for 7 plants in total, thats maximum amount that fits in my cabinet.

I use Bio Bizz Light Mix Soil and feed them with Bio Bizz Grow, Bloom and Top Max.

Thats my plan for now
But i´m not sure with pot size, i never tried with 6L pots, i had always 4x 11L pots, whould be happy to hear some opinions
Maybe someone has an idea if Banghi Haze and Nepal Jam are the same size and can be easy grown together ?

 

[dezman]

yes they are quite similar you shouldnt have any problems. you can still have some larher phenos.
i just finished a few nepal jams outdoors(late season). i just sprouted on september. on the middle of december cut the last one of them (jamaican pheno) delicious herb.
dubi and kaiki the best breeders around.
i just dont know how to put some photos...probably due to nep...

 

[early_bird]

Thanks dezman.
I´m also very exited about the ace strains.

After i read most of the NepJam Thread here on the ace forum, i´m quite sure this strain has the high i´m searching for. A mood enhancer without couchlook and an nice social up high without beeing racy.

So I decided to plant 12 Nepal Jam and do the Bangi Haze later. (is it possible to rename the thread?)

Maybe i veg them a little longer, Dubi suggest 30 days but i have to sort out the males and repot them to 6L pots bevore they get to big (30-40cm). I can´t easily remove plants from the cabinet when they are to big, because of the seperated doors (have to remove them from above which is hard when they get to much foliage).

Seeds are in soil now @27°C and 70% Humidy.

Waiting for plants showing up

 

[Tr0picThund3r]

A mood enhancer without couchlook and an nice social up high without beeing racy.

I couldn't have said it better myself. After just trying some of my NJ after about a month cure this is the exact effect I get. No ceiling either.

As far as vegging goes, mine vegged for 7 weeks before it flowered outdoors.

Post some pics when you get them going.

 

[early_bird]

Thanks Tr0picThund3r, sounds really good
How big did your plants get ?

Day 13
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All 12 seeds germinated, i have 12 plants now.
Too much, i have only space vor 9x 3,5 L pots. I plan to put 2 in some pots, so i don´t need to throw plants away.

Not sure when to transplant, i aim for the next few days, they growing fast and leafs between plants are touching each other already.

 

[dubi]

Hi early_bird,

Beautiful seedlings, looks like a good start!
The plan sounds good, i wouldn't delay the transplanting of the seedlings,
especially if you want a high female/male ratio. Let us know if you have any doubt.
Best wishes!

 

[Bleiweis]

How does the transplanting affect female/male ratio?

 

[early_bird]

How does the transplanting affect female/male ratio?

More stress for the plants resulting in more males.

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Hey Dubi, thanks for the tip, nice to see you here
I transplant them the next day, 12 x 3,5L Pots fitted in my little cabinet.

2 days later, on day 16 i started flowering. It´s Flowering day 8 today. Nepal Jam has very little stretch and stays quite short so far (max about 32cm), but size of each plant is a little different, few ones don´t have any stretch at all for now.
Because of the thick main stems, the plants are looking very strong

It´s getting crowded now, waiting for the females showing up, so i can transplant them to 6L pots and sort out the males.

Picture on Flowering Day 7 (yesterday)

 

[dubi]

How does the transplanting affect female/male ratio?

Hi Bleiweis,

To get a good female/male ratio from your regular seeds it's important to provide good conditions (enough root space, enough space between the plants, right temperatures slightly fresh, good feeding without too much N ...) when the plants are reaching their sexual maturity. In case of Bangi Haze and Nepal Jam around the 3rd week of life. Hope it helps.

 

[early_bird]

Flowering Day 33 of NepJam only grow
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6 nice females in small 3,5L pots left. (3 males, few stays to small, one hasn´t shown sex)
Was to crowded inside with 12 Plants. A few didn´t grow properly because of not enough light i guess. I had also little low nutrients so i start feeding with EC 0,6 now with EC 0,8 and plants are looking good.

Flowering was delayed a lot, gender shows very late, maybe because of low nutrients or not enough light ?
Someone has a idea?

But anyways, now flowering goes quick, i keep them in 3,5 L pots to see what can be done in such small pots. (and lazy to repot ) Not sure if i should raise EC a little, some single leafs on the bottom are very slowly dying.Maybe from the lack of nutrients in the past.

Plants are overall very healthy.

 

[Selecta]

Update ?

 

[early_bird]

Got me

I screwed the grow. Growing in such small pots and fertilizing with salts is different from growing in large 11L containers before.
I didn´t feed much, but had still a salt-buildup in the pots, plants didn´t liked it, water consumption was very low and buds stopped growing bigger.

In result i got about 30 gramms of fine NepalJam Buds at harvest day 55 in the end. I´m growing for little personal use so it was enought for me and left me happy in the end

In the last days the little white hairs in the buds turned color to red very fast. At harvest time (day 55), all hairs was red.

The high was great but more on the indica side than i expected. Had defi some couchlook, and feels a bit heavy.
Next time i will harvest early when they rarely changed color to red.

Here are 2 pictures from flowering day 53

 

[early_bird]

New Grow
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I repeated the grow, this time with Bangi Haze and NepJam.
6 seeds of each, had 10 seedlings.

Now i´m on flowering day 19 with 2 female Bangi Haze and 3 female NepJam´s in small 3,5 L pots

The NepJam grows much more columnar, the BH grows more busy with long side branches, but this seems pheno dependent.

Nepal Jam growed much faster and flowered earlier.

This time i fertilize very light and pay attention for a lot of drain, to avoid salt buildup.
Goal is this time again to learn how to grow in small pots and see what is possible with 3,5 Liter of soil.
I want smaller plants and more different strains in future.
I´m also very interested in the long flowering hazes from ACE where i need to work with small pots to keep them small.

2x Bangi Haze on the left, 3 NepJ on the right.
The NJ´s are much higher, i placed the BH on something so they are equal in size on the pic

 

[bwoyrude]

The soil in small pots will work if you make 30-40 percent of the drainage and irrigation system like in coco-grow,
you need give maximum air in substrate, In addition, the use of biofertilizers blocks access of air to the roots.
I do not see any reason to use soil in such a small volume.
Soil should work itself, and for that it should be a lot

 

[early_bird]

Thanks für the tip, i´m measure the EC of the drain now and it seems it´s very easy to have salt buildup. I will follow your advice and aim for 30% drain.

You are right, i had great success with 4X 11L pots at my little cabinet (60x60cm), this works really great. But i don´t need much bud, i grow for fun and want to have more different strains arround, and if i wanna have more plants i need smaller pots

My plan is to run the Purple Haze x Malawi next, guess small pots are an advantage here to keep plants smaller. I have a lot of vertical space, but i´m scared that theese long flowering beautys getting huge.

 

[early_bird]

Does this mean i should i feed the plants with every watering like in hydro ?
Or should i feed by need ?

 

[dubi]

Hi early_bird,

It depends on how rich is your soil, the quality of your water and how you use your fertilizers. Water the plants only when the soil is getting dry, the pot is light, when the plants ask for it .... Nepal Jam overall needs moderate strenght of fertilizers (EC around 1, or a bit more if the Nepal Jams are big), let her root properly and let her reach a decent size for the flowering and don't saturate her with lots of fertilizers, especially if plants are small.

If you are not familiarized with the medium and genetics you are growing is better to feed them when they slightly start to ask for it, and don't force them to accept nutrients that maybe they don't need at the moment.

 

[early_bird]

Thanks Dubi, i follow your advice, that helps a lot

Flowering Day 30
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The NepJam´s are doing fine. Buds growing bigger, plants are very vital and fit

The Bangi Haze make me worry. Flowers are really small and Bud development ist extremly slow. I found 2 yellow leaves low on the plant, N-deficiency and some have dead leaf on the upper part of the plant (pic below). Has someone any ideas ? Magnesium deficiency ?

EC of my drain water was low as 0,5 now i start feeding with EC of 0,9 and lowered PH a little bit to 6,44
Hope my Baby´s getting better soon.

Happy Nepal Jam


Bangi Haze with little buds

 

[dubi]

Hi early_bird,

Looks like they are having some nutrient deficiencies (probably Nitrogen and Potassium).

Bio Bizz Light Mix soil is good to start seeds, clones and for seedlings, but maybe is a bit too weak for the flowering, i have had great results using ALL Mix soil for the flowering cycle, it's much richer in nutrients.

Did the plants improve lately with the increase of EC ?

In case you are not used to grow yet in this soil, i would recommend you to start using coco fertilizers like Canna Coco, the plants will absorve much better and faster the coco nutrients than the organic Bio Bizz fertilizers.

 

[early_bird]

Hi dubi,
thanks for the reply.
I really wanna try coco in future

I´ve used AllMix but i found the drain worse. Soil was dry on the surface and wet on the buttom. With LightMix the soil in pot is drying very consistent.

I use LightMix few times and like to fertilize by myself to have more control. But i´m new to growing in small pots and use of salts als fertilizers (hakaphos), so i need more practise
Next grow i use bigger pots for sure, even if i plan PURPLE HAZE x MALAWI, not sure if i use 6 L or 11 L pots, has anyone suggestions on that ?
(I´ve 60x60cm and plant can get 1,35cm max height to have proper distance to light).

The Nepal Jam have some leaf yellowing and red stems, but buds are growing bigger, overall ok.
Because of flowering day 38 now i should not complain about some yellow leaf i guess.

The Bangi Haze have still very airy, little buds. Getting bigger but very slowly.
The brown leaf was from the heat of the lamp i guess, i corrected that.
I´ve also some leaf yellowing on the bottom, but not so bad, overall plants looking ok. Drain is about 1,0 EC now. Feeding is about 0,6 - 0,8 EC (once with 1,0), seems to be good range in my setup.