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Need to move. Where?
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fuck florida. hell no.come to cali and toke freely
not california.
I hear florida is nice
Sounds like a Cali-hoarder to me!
Lotta people around here try to dissuade others from making the move...
In that spirit, "not Colorado" either!
(I only tease, the more the merrier!)
ugggg no mountains
FWIW, I'm seriously looking at Michigan. Gotta do something.
Happy 420 everyone!
Simon
If ya dont mind weather. Northern MI can be pretty beautiful.
Southern Ohio is also pretty awesome..more so if you like rural country living. Not medical but to my understanding they are pretty lenient on the small stuff. Still watch your back if your commercial though. Product still fetches 3-4k /lb wholesale.
apanihi
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Oh, and BTW... You're going to need a lab test to sell to the dispensary... They're only $40-50 and require 1g... Say you score 16%, you're looking at $160 an oz... Score 25% total cannabinoids, and you'll get $250...[/QUOTE
What's the deal with these tests, and are they really accurate?
How do they do it and can a sample be sent from anywhere, or is it strictly cash & carry?
Is there a home version?
What's the deal with these tests, and are they really accurate?
How do they do it and can a sample be sent from anywhere, or is it strictly cash & carry?
Is there a home version?
and what's to stop you from dusting a gram w/bubble and sending that in...[/QUOTE]
LOL I was thinking the same thing with kif.
MI Wouldn't be the worst place you could go, but where are their laws heading anyway? Will the future be favorable or negative to MI MMJ? Don't want to get there in hopes to grow legally to see the MMJ walls be washed away upon arrival, then what?
Also would like to hear more about why bobblehead's perspective (which seems to be of a seasoned MI MMJ worker) is that raids are so common? Unsettling.
As long as the ground is firm I say check it out. You'll want that auxiliary job too though, so think about if you can pry any possibilities out of the state.
Who knows, this site may one day become a place where many MMJ transplants network with each other on the business professional level, what fun!
I agree..
Not sure if I want to be the guy sticking my head out of the gofer hole only to have laws repealed after the growers have shown themselves.
Where ever you go just remember that your medical license is ONLY a means of defense should you get raided. A lot of LEO simply don't care if you are medical and are out to wreck your life regardless...which can easily result in a raid/theft of your property with your only recourse to battle it out in court..$$$. Even without a conviction the stress/time/money involved is enough to set ya back.
Being medical may provide a bit of piece of mind, but it isnt the end all be all.
Remaining in a non-med state can provide the same piece of mind provided you follow the rules and dont let people know of your hobbies..
Not sure if I want to be the guy sticking my head out of the gofer hole only to have laws repealed after the growers have shown themselves.
Where ever you go just remember that your medical license is ONLY a means of defense should you get raided. A lot of LEO simply don't care if you are medical and are out to wreck your life regardless...which can easily result in a raid/theft of your property with your only recourse to battle it out in court..$$$. Even without a conviction the stress/time/money involved is enough to set ya back.
Being medical may provide a bit of piece of mind, but it isnt the end all be all.
Remaining in a non-med state can provide the same piece of mind provided you follow the rules and dont let people know of your hobbies..
M
MrSterling
Jesus, op looks for simple moving advice and a bunch of y'all get tied up with your personal politics and belief in conspiracy theories about mmj programs? I didnt come in here saying "avoid X, it's full of libertarians", and it's offensive to come in here and read "Cali's full of *socialists*" like it's the damn plague and not just a political opinion(and the statement isn't even true! Ain't nowhere in America filled with socialists. It's being used as a stupid empty insult). Damn rude. Just damn rude.
Op, good luck in your hunt. If you want my advice, look into state laws and land values before you move any where. You don't want to land in a state with heavy heavy punishment for growing. I liked the Southern Maine idea someone pushed earlier. But it is mighty cold. Good luck and Godspeed.
- Mr. S
Op, good luck in your hunt. If you want my advice, look into state laws and land values before you move any where. You don't want to land in a state with heavy heavy punishment for growing. I liked the Southern Maine idea someone pushed earlier. But it is mighty cold. Good luck and Godspeed.
- Mr. S
As for lab tests... You just have to drop your sample off at a MI dispensary affiliated with either Cannalytics or Iron Labs along with the fee, and then they'll send it off and the test results get posted within 3 days normally on their website. You could send it in yourself if you're a registered patient in MI. Technically you have to be a registered patient in MI to join a dispensary... IDK how accurate the tests are, I just play the game. When I find a strain that tests well, I focus on it.
As for you guys talking about dusting the buds... be real. You would be able to see the kief in the macroscopic photos they post. They would make a note that the bud was dusted in kief. It's not even going to effect the test that much, b/c you can't get the kief inside the bud. The plant matter is soaked in a solvent to dissolve all of the cannabinoids, and then it's vaporized. They have a computer that measures when each cannabinoid vaporizes and how much was there by how long it took.
There are home test kits that are less accurate for your use at home. Cannalytics.com has them. www.micannalytics.com is the lab in Michigan.
Why do I feel the why I do about our program being broken? I think I mentioned a few points... Like I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS!!! I can forge paperwork just as well as the next guy. I don't need to pay a bunch of money and hand out free/discounted meds and generally put myself at risk when I'm not even being offered the protection the program is supposed to provide. The registry has been behind on issuing cards since the program was started. Their excuse? Not enough machines to print the cards. They've brought in several million dollars, but that money is being robbed and put into other programs. I'm totally cool with them redirecting some of the funds... but dammit they could at least hire more people to answer the phone, respond to mail, operate card printers... I received an approval letter with the wrong patient card... so I forwarded the card to the correct person, and kept my letter... I called, typed and mailed a letter, and sent an e-mail to find out what happened and where my card was. 1 year later they responded to my e-mail. No joke.
Look... I believe firmly in medical cannabis. There are people who truly need cannabis as medicine. If you can find those people, and keep them as patients, that's the ideal situation. The truth of the matter is there's a bunch of kids chasing legal pot... and while I believe everyone deserves the protection of the program, I don't want those people for my patients.
Let me tell you about how they take advantage of the program... You meet your patient, you interview them and they seem ok... So you fill out the paperwork, send it off, and 21 days later you're allowed to start growing for them as long as you've kept a copy of the paperwork and your check/money order was cashed. Gotta keep proof to have protection. What MY PATIENTS did was to turn around, and find another caregiver, and file with them as well... So they're getting a free oz a month from me, plus discounted prices... and I'm not even their caregiver anymore except I don't know that, b/c the registry never notified me of the change.
So... When you do get into some real trouble and the DEA is checking your caregiver paperwork with the registry... which they don't have immediate access to so it could take time... Anyway, they check it and it's not valid... What then? I didn't know it wasn't valid. Do you think they'll care? I doubt it...
This isn't just my personal feelings... This is the reality of the situation. If you're dead set on growing cannabis to make a living, and you want a quasi-legal environment that's more like the wild west where you do what you want until someone tells you otherwise... Michigan is for you. Personally I'm not a career grower. I'm making my cash grab and getting out. If I ever find those truly sick people I would love to caregive for them indefinitely. So far that just hasn't been my experience with the 130,000+ registered patients... Except for the few guys I know growing for themselves, sticking within their limits... That's not me either.
As for you guys talking about dusting the buds... be real. You would be able to see the kief in the macroscopic photos they post. They would make a note that the bud was dusted in kief. It's not even going to effect the test that much, b/c you can't get the kief inside the bud. The plant matter is soaked in a solvent to dissolve all of the cannabinoids, and then it's vaporized. They have a computer that measures when each cannabinoid vaporizes and how much was there by how long it took.
There are home test kits that are less accurate for your use at home. Cannalytics.com has them. www.micannalytics.com is the lab in Michigan.
Why do I feel the why I do about our program being broken? I think I mentioned a few points... Like I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS!!! I can forge paperwork just as well as the next guy. I don't need to pay a bunch of money and hand out free/discounted meds and generally put myself at risk when I'm not even being offered the protection the program is supposed to provide. The registry has been behind on issuing cards since the program was started. Their excuse? Not enough machines to print the cards. They've brought in several million dollars, but that money is being robbed and put into other programs. I'm totally cool with them redirecting some of the funds... but dammit they could at least hire more people to answer the phone, respond to mail, operate card printers... I received an approval letter with the wrong patient card... so I forwarded the card to the correct person, and kept my letter... I called, typed and mailed a letter, and sent an e-mail to find out what happened and where my card was. 1 year later they responded to my e-mail. No joke.
Look... I believe firmly in medical cannabis. There are people who truly need cannabis as medicine. If you can find those people, and keep them as patients, that's the ideal situation. The truth of the matter is there's a bunch of kids chasing legal pot... and while I believe everyone deserves the protection of the program, I don't want those people for my patients.
Let me tell you about how they take advantage of the program... You meet your patient, you interview them and they seem ok... So you fill out the paperwork, send it off, and 21 days later you're allowed to start growing for them as long as you've kept a copy of the paperwork and your check/money order was cashed. Gotta keep proof to have protection. What MY PATIENTS did was to turn around, and find another caregiver, and file with them as well... So they're getting a free oz a month from me, plus discounted prices... and I'm not even their caregiver anymore except I don't know that, b/c the registry never notified me of the change.
So... When you do get into some real trouble and the DEA is checking your caregiver paperwork with the registry... which they don't have immediate access to so it could take time... Anyway, they check it and it's not valid... What then? I didn't know it wasn't valid. Do you think they'll care? I doubt it...
This isn't just my personal feelings... This is the reality of the situation. If you're dead set on growing cannabis to make a living, and you want a quasi-legal environment that's more like the wild west where you do what you want until someone tells you otherwise... Michigan is for you. Personally I'm not a career grower. I'm making my cash grab and getting out. If I ever find those truly sick people I would love to caregive for them indefinitely. So far that just hasn't been my experience with the 130,000+ registered patients... Except for the few guys I know growing for themselves, sticking within their limits... That's not me either.
I'd like to thank you again for contributing to this discussion. It's precisely the sort of input I was hoping for.
If you don't mind, I'd like to run a tentative plan by you and see where the pitfalls lie. FWIW, I debated taking this to PMs, as some of the discussion may not please some, as seen earlier in the thread. The thing is, I'm sure there are many others in a similar position and something like this can help folks define their goals. Anyway....
Here's what I'm thinking: Get to Michigan sometime July/August, rent a place and establish residence, wait for the med card to arrive. Meanwhile, I'm still running the op in my current location. Once I can enter dispensaries and offer my product - don't mind testing - do some business and gather a bit more capital, I can look into the viability of moving my entire household sometime in the future, possibly the following summer.
I'm kinda thinking that I'll make the rounds in the areas with the most outlets for distribution, and introduce myself and my product. Law of large number all all that. Then, hopefully, establish a business partnership with a dispensary or three of four, and do business. Does that sound reasonable, or naive, or just plain dumb?
Simon
Simon, if you're just looking to establish residence and get your paperwork so you can go into the dispensaries, that will work... I only have enough documentation to get me in the door. They don't care to see all of your paperwork, 1 certification will do... You don't have to register your grow location... Just don't get caught breaking the rules. I think it's a much better idea for you to come check out the scene first, and then consider bringing your family along... The thing is, these laws could change or be repealed at any given time. What will you do then? Keep on truckin I guess... I would work on an exit strategy personally. I'm buying a house rent-to-own for the sole purpose of growing my ass off. Gonna pay off the house and my student loans, and i'm peacin' out! This shit isn't for me in the long run.
Don't know where on the east coast your at but elbows around the MA/RI/Conn area of dank should fetch you anywhere from 32-36 all day long depending on the quality. I know med states arent going to fetch you those kinda prices unless you have some real out of this world stuff.
