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Need some opinions, unknown problems..

kardon

Member
Hey guys,

I started these about 5 weeks ago, they havent exacly had the best start as things were a bit rushed and thrown together at the last minute after initially thinking that the seeds werent any good.

There isnt any major problems, just some minor things spreadout through different plants that i cant seem to figure out.

1. Are you growing from seed or clones?
- Bagseed, unknown how old but atleast 1-2years.
2. How old are your plants?
-Some are actually a week older than others, but most are 5 weeks old.
3. How tall are your plants?
-I would say between 30cm-50cm approximately.
4. What size containers are they planted in?
-30 Litre pots but the soil isnt upto the top, probably 25L actual.
5. What is your soil mix?
-Its 30% perlite, 35% vroom potting mix & 35% pot & peat potting mix.
6. How often do you water and what type of water do you use?
-Usually every 3-4 days, used a brita water filter to water them till they were transplanted into big pots at about week 2, since then its been tap water.
7. What is the pH of your water?
-Im not sure.
8. What kind of fertilizer do you use and what is its NPK ratio?
-Im using canna rhizotonic every water and miracle grow soluble 15/13/12 usually every 2nd watering.
9. What kind of lights do you use and how many watts combined? (HPS, MH, fluorescent, halogen, incandescent "plant lights")
-Using GE Lucagrow 1000w HPS x 2.
10. How close are your lights to the plants?
-See photos, but ide say around 60-80cm depending where plant is.
11. What size is your grow space in square feet?
-Its 3m long by 2.4m wide.. So around 65-70 sq feet.
12. What is the temperature and humidity in your grow space?
-Daytime temps range from 28-31c, nightime 24-27c. Humidity is anywhere from 25%-65%
13. What is the pH of the soil?
-Im not sure.
14. Have you noticed any insect activity in your grow space?
-Yes, there is the occasional gnat fly but nowhere near enough to be a threat. And most waterings i get some springtails coming to the surface.
15. How much experience do you have growing?
-Ive done several grows in the past, but never on this scale and never in this room/setup.

From the beginning to about week 3 they were really good but recently over the last 2 weeks they have developed a number of different problems. Anything from yellowing leaves, to yellowing of most of the plant, to tips dying and curling up, to certian parts of leaves dying while the rest of the leaf is fine, to slowed growth and finally some odd spotting and bright 'lime' green colored top leaves.

From about week 2-3 they were watered almost every water with nutrients but at 1/4 to 1/3 of the full strength stated on the miracle grow box. Then when i started to notice yellowing etc i thought it must be some type of lockout/high ph so i gave them a week of just water, which seemed to do nothing. After that i gave them full strength miracle grow with filtered water this time and that seemed to be good, but they still look like they either need more or there is an imbalance.

Im thinking ive gotta water with straight water this time as i gave them full strength last time, but its confusing because some really look like the need more! One is even showing the symptoms of Zinc or magnesium deficiency which cant be possible considering its been watered the same as others and none of the others are showing it even though they are bigger plants.

I bought some sticky insect strips today and canna's cannazym (it breaks down dead root tissue into valuable sugars etc for the plant whilst also helping against root rot etc)
Also note - Im using portable AC, i havent made a cold air inlet anywhere because it sucks masses of air from under the door when closed.
Oh also, out of 20 i got 20 females!

I switched to 12/12 today.

Also note - There is a fair bit of redness on the stems.

-Note to self, grow all the same strain next time!!

Any ideas/help is greatly appreciated..

BTW- I noticed there isnt any calcium or magnesium in miracle grow?

Cheers

pics here > http://www.gardenscure.com/420/nursery/103131-need-some-opinions-20-plant-2kw.html
 
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Blackvelvet

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kardon said:
BTW- I noticed there isnt any calcium or magnesium in miracle grow?
Good observation. It also lacks sulfur.

Did you add dolomite lime to your soil mix to provide cal mag? One way to get the sulfur would be to add 3/4 teaspoon powdered gypsum per gallon of soil mix at planting. (3.75 ml per 4L soil mix) Did you add any gypsum?

If you did not add these at planting, you can do something about it now. But, you should know your soil ph first...

How to test soil ph: After watering and ferting well (runoff occurs), wait 30 minutes. Then apply a small amount of distilled water to the pot surface. You only want 1 or 2 ounces of runoff out the bottom. Catch this. Test ph. (If you don't have a ph meter, you can get some ph test strips with range maybe 4-7 at a petstore in the aquarium section or brew your own beer wine store.)

If soil ph is low, you can add dol. lime to the pot surface at about 1 1/5 to 2 teaspoons per gallon of soil mix. (6-10 ml per 4L soil mix). Water in. This will provide cal mag. This has no sulfur. You might add 1/4 teaspoon epsom salts per gallon of water (1.25 ml per 3.8L water) to provide S. I have not heard of adding gypsum to the pot surface before. :confused: Its not really too soluble so the epsom is better for s when added to water. Another excellent s source would be to use sulfuric acid as your ph down if needed. Battery acid from the auto parts store. Handle with extreme care. Add acid to water not water to acid. Wear sunglasses and gloves when pouring. It will need to be diluted like an ounce (30ml) in 1 gallon of water (3.8L) then use that as the ph down. "Velvet...Velvet... you can't use battery acid". Shutup. :asskick: LOL.

If soil ph is ok or high, you can't really add dol. lime. You don't want to raise ph even more. You should add the cal mag to the water. 1/4 teaspoon powdered gypsum and 1/4 teaspoon epsom salts per gallon of water (1.25ml of each in 3.8L) along with any other ferts like the miracle grow. Powdered gypsum you can get at garden centers or brew your own beer/wine stores. If you can't find it. 1/4 teaspoon calcium nitrate can be used. Calcium chloride is another ca source but requires net weight and % ca in the bottle to give you a rate. Calcium nitrate and calcium chloride are much more soluble than the gypsum so maybe look for those first when adding to water. Cal mag plus is a store bought cal mag suppliment. It lacks sulfur though. :( Use about 1 1/2 teaspoons per gallon (7.5 ml per 3.8L water)

Happy growing! :wave:


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kardon

Member
ok ill go grab a few things today including some sort of primative ph tester

i uploaded some new photos to the link above..

I hate soil for this reason, you never quite know whats going on :badday:

but its better than nothing, they arent that bad, just a little out of the optimal zone i guess.
 

Nikijad4210

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Before you do anything stupid (like taking BV's advice) you really need to know your PH before you start dickering around. You say you're going to get a PH meter---Good, but don't go cheapie cheap. Get something decent, like the kind of strips used for pool testing (AquaChem is a good company & available at Wal-Mart) if you don't want to dole out for a pricey meter.
I'm betting good odds & agreeing with VanGrow that you're PH is out of whack & the source of the problems you're having. They're probably overferted, too.

1.) Figure out your PH, and bring it to a normal level if needed. Fish tank PH Up & Down are useful & gentle enough to do the trick.
2.) Flush the soil, you might have over-fed them thinking they were deficient, making things worse. You need to get rid of the salts & nutes that have likely built up.
3.) If you were feeding them full nutes, halve the dose for 1 or 2 feedings. The PH adjustment & flush are going to be enough of a shock if they're as bad as you're implying, you don't want them to be even more stressed from the food.

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Stitch's Guide to Sick Plants:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11688
 
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kardon

Member
Ok thanks for the input guys.

I bought a cheap ph/moisture meter, it isnt that good but its saying the soil is around ph 7 or slightly over 7 ?

Ill have to get a more accurate tester.

I watered and foliar sprayed them with a weak mix of neem oil and triple boost (all natural seaweed -worm - fish etc) which contains silica, magnesium & calcium .. all things that arent in miracle grow!

They really seem to have picked up since that watering, i think the ph/fert probs originated because i put them in massive pots too early.
They went from small seed starting pots to 25 litre so it was hard to water them correctly.

This entire grow just came together at the last minute :bat:
 

Blackvelvet

Member
kardon said:
I bought a cheap ph/moisture meter, it isnt that good but its saying the soil is around ph 7 or slightly over 7 ?

If soil ph is ok or high, you can't really add dol. lime. You don't want to raise ph even more. You should add the cal mag to the water. 1/4 teaspoon powdered gypsum and 1/4 teaspoon epsom salts per gallon of water (1.25ml of each in 3.8L) along with any other ferts like the miracle grow. Powdered gypsum you can get at garden centers or brew your own beer/wine stores. If you can't find it. 1/4 teaspoon calcium nitrate can be used. Calcium chloride is another ca source but requires net weight and % ca in the bottle to give you a rate. Calcium nitrate and calcium chloride are much more soluble than the gypsum so maybe look for those first when adding to water. Cal mag plus is a store bought cal mag suppliment. It lacks sulfur though. :( Use about 1 1/2 teaspoons per gallon (7.5 ml per 3.8L water)

kardon said:
I watered and foliar sprayed them with a weak mix of neem oil and triple boost (all natural seaweed -worm - fish etc) which contains silica, magnesium & calcium .. all things that arent in miracle grow!
Is that 10-2-6 "Plant of Health" triple boost? If so, its really low in cal mag. You should try my suggestions.


kardon said:
This entire grow just came together at the last minute :bat:
If your happy, I'm happy. :D
 

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