need help with synthetic urine temp

[spacecadet]

hey got i need some help trying to find a way to keep synthetic piss warm my company has been doing pre hires and post accidents since i been working for them well today they called in 3 workers from my dept and some other from a another dept for random testing today no one knew they was starting random lucky i was not on e of them cause i work out doors and soon after they called them for testing i check the temp on my bottle and it was 90 i got to find a way to get it up soon. there will be no time to place a hand warmer or no way to heat it up. time they call me i got 5 mins before they hand me the cup. what i been doing was i got a peace of a sock pinned to my under ware and try to keep in close to my nads and it has work well during the summer but now i cant get it no higher than 90 you guys got any idea on keeping it body temp only thing i see at this point is putting a hand warmer in it every day. but thats only good for about 7 hours and i work 10 to 12 hours a day 4 days a week. i can get it hot before i go to work but thats be good what a hour or two before it cools or may be there a way to insulate it so it keep the heat but seems like that would work for a wile till it finely cooled and with the insulation no way your body temp could warm it back up. got to be a way to keep it warm all the time. now if its a post accident test thats not so bad cause i will have time for a hand warmer to kick in i should have an hour time frame cause time they put me in the company truck and drive me 35 miles to the hospital for testing, the hand warmer would have gotten the temp where it needs to be. any one have any idea on this

 

[kmk420kali]

Get one of those disposible back things...that heats up when you activate it....wear it low, and keep your bottle in there--

 

[FiveLeggedGoat]

Put it in your butt...that'll keep it warm. LOL

kmk's idea sounds better though.....

 

[konstantgrdnr]

Well here's my stab at your problem. I have to say I got it from a friend of mine. What you should do is go to your Doctor, Please make sure that it is your personal doctor and make sure you have a good relationship with him. Most doctors are cool and pretty much listen to their patients and respect their opinions, if yours doesn't get another one!.

Ask your doctor for a prescription for the drug MARINOL
Make sure you look over the qualifications for a prescription so that you can convince your DOC about why you need this prescription. He should be able to prescribe it off label which means for a list of different symptoms than what the drug was intended for.

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/marinol.html, Ha Ha who would of thought old uncle sam would be on your side.

Marinol is a synthetic THC, which as the Big Brother link above states has been approved for legal use in the U.S. With this prescription (make sure you fill it, kind of expensive but worth the Insurance) Your Piss test can go forward. you will come up Dirty and will give your work documentation that you were prescribed Marinol which has the active ingredient of THC in it. You DO NOT HAVE TO TELL THEM WHY YOU WERE PRESCRIBED THIS MEDICATION, only that it is within the confines of the law and prescribed by a legal physician.

They will rant and try to call BUllSHIT, FUCK THEM! , the law is on your side. Remember they will call foul, but there is nothing they can do without opening themselves up to a lawsuit. If you have any hesitation call norml and ask for their opinion, don't indicate your trying to game the system just ask about your right to legally be prescribed marinol.

I hoped this helped, you are not a criminal, the true criminals are these people who make these laws that persecute hard working Americans just like yourself.

The enemy has bought the system
It is our job to turn it inside out!

Stay high, stay free, Overgrow this Kaos and plant some Trees.
Peace\
KONSTANTGRDNR AKA DJTUMBLEWEED

 

[spacecadet]

konstantgrdnr ur idea sounds good but there no way in hell a doctor here would even think of doing that and i dont think the government would buy it either since i work for a government contractor and even if i couild find a doc to do that my company still let me go cause they would not let me drive wile i was on the drug cause of safety reasons and with thats they fire me, my best bet is find a way to keep it warm other than sticking it up my ass like FiveLeggedGoat suggested lol but hey i did think of that all so but in my line of work thats would not be a good thing may be using 2 pairs of underwear wold keep the heat in

 

[Doctor Who]

Urine Luck additive if it is a GC-MS Drug Test. Not recommended for "screens" Google for more info, if needed. Good luck on whatever you decide on!

 

[accessndx]

I could swear someone was talking about some brand of synthetic urine that comes with a "warmer". I don't remember who or what thread...maybe it was in chat. I distinctly remember that a warmer was used. I know for a fact they sell "coffee" warmers at places like "Linens and Things" or "Bed Bath and Beyond".....or anyplace that sells coffee machines & appliances....possibly even a Radio Shack.

The item I'm thinking about looks like a melon baller that can be plugged into an electrical outlet. It's an ideal item for someone going to camp, so maybe a camp supply store. You should be able to plug that baby in and get fluids up to an appropriate temperature.

One other thing you might want to consider is some sort of stealth "thermos" that's insulated....if it'll keep soup, hot cocoa and coffee warm...it should keep your synthetic urine nice and toasty.

Good luck bro.

 

[Deviant420]

Well here's my stab at your problem. I have to say I got it from a friend of mine. What you should do is go to your Doctor, Please make sure that it is your personal doctor and make sure you have a good relationship with him. Most doctors are cool and pretty much listen to their patients and respect their opinions, if yours doesn't get another one!.

Ask your doctor for a prescription for the drug MARINOL
Make sure you look over the qualifications for a prescription so that you can convince your DOC about why you need this prescription. He should be able to prescribe it off label which means for a list of different symptoms than what the drug was intended for.

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/ongoing/marinol.html, Ha Ha who would of thought old uncle sam would be on your side.

Marinol is a synthetic THC, which as the Big Brother link above states has been approved for legal use in the U.S. With this prescription (make sure you fill it, kind of expensive but worth the Insurance) Your Piss test can go forward. you will come up Dirty and will give your work documentation that you were prescribed Marinol which has the active ingredient of THC in it. You DO NOT HAVE TO TELL THEM WHY YOU WERE PRESCRIBED THIS MEDICATION, only that it is within the confines of the law and prescribed by a legal physician.

They will rant and try to call BUllSHIT, FUCK THEM! , the law is on your side. Remember they will call foul, but there is nothing they can do without opening themselves up to a lawsuit. If you have any hesitation call norml and ask for their opinion, don't indicate your trying to game the system just ask about your right to legally be prescribed marinol.

I hoped this helped, you are not a criminal, the true criminals are these people who make these laws that persecute hard working Americans just like yourself.

The enemy has bought the system
It is our job to turn it inside out!

Stay high, stay free, Overgrow this Kaos and plant some Trees.
Peace\
KONSTANTGRDNR AKA DJTUMBLEWEED

Marinol and Marijuana Use Can Be Distinguished!!!

Labs have been able to distinguish between marijuana use and marinol use since late 1999. In short, it is done by detecting thcv-cooh, a metabolite of marijuana use only. Marinol does not give this off because it contains no cannibinoids. I'm on DOT testing so I have read up on this quite a bit : /. We can only pray HR5842 gets looked at seriously soon.

Unfortunately, as in the regulations you posted, they only accept Marinol as reason to test positive for THC. The issue came up in a 1999 court case:

April 24, 1999

FEDERAL MAGISTRATE RULES THERE IS NO WAY TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN PRESCRIPTION DRUG MARINOL® AND MARIJUANA IN DRUG TESTS

LOS ANGELES. Federal Magistrate Judge James McMahon ruled on Friday (April 23, 1999) that the test used to distinguish between the prescription drug Marinol® and the pernicious drug marijuana in urine is invalid. There is, therefore, no way in which to distinguish between Marinol® and marijuana in drug tests.

The federal government had been using an experimental procedure to distinguish between THC, found in both Marinol® and marijuana, and THC-V, which is found only in marijuana. Using this test, the government was attempting to revoke medical marijuana patient Todd McCormick’s $500,000 bail and place McCormick in custody until his trial, not scheduled to begin until September 7, 1999.

See
September 7th Trial Date Set For McCormick and McWilliams;
McCormick Bail Revocation Hearing Set For March 17.
and
Government Claims Todd McCormick Failed "Drug" Test;
Moves To Revoke Bail And Seize Woody Harrelson’s Half Million
and links

After two days of exhaustive expert medical and scientific testimony, Judge McMahon ruled that the test was invalid.

.

The solution to the problem is in the first link and was discovered in 2004.

However, this test would only be used in a court case or achallange to apositve test- the labs DO NOT use the marinol distiguishing test as part of routine drug screening. It ouwld be something run if you challanged the results and in that case, the use of marijuana would be able to be proved

 

[kmk420kali]

I could swear someone was talking about some brand of synthetic urine that comes with a "warmer". I don't remember who or what thread...maybe it was in chat. I distinctly remember that a warmer was used. I know for a fact they sell "coffee" warmers at places like "Linens and Things" or "Bed Bath and Beyond".....or anyplace that sells coffee machines & appliances....possibly even a Radio Shack.

The item I'm thinking about looks like a melon baller that can be plugged into an electrical outlet. It's an ideal item for someone going to camp, so maybe a camp supply store. You should be able to plug that baby in and get fluids up to an appropriate temperature.

One other thing you might want to consider is some sort of stealth "thermos" that's insulated....if it'll keep soup, hot cocoa and coffee warm...it should keep your synthetic urine nice and toasty.

Good luck bro.

I have seen them too-- It is the same sort of thing I was talking about...a small pouch like the back warmer thingies...chemically induced heat--

 

[kmk420kali]

Marinol and Marijuana Use Can Be Distinguished!!!

Labs have been able to distinguish between marijuana use and marinol use since late 1999. In short, it is done by detecting thcv-cooh, a metabolite of marijuana use only. Marinol does not give this off because it contains no cannibinoids. I'm on DOT testing so I have read up on this quite a bit : /. We can only pray HR5842 gets looked at seriously soon.

Unfortunately, as in the regulations you posted, they only accept Marinol as reason to test positive for THC. The issue came up in a 1999 court case:

.

The solution to the problem is in the first link and was discovered in 2004.

I respect your research, but most places that drug test, don't go into extensive testing...just a simple dip-- My friends have been getting away with the Marinol thing on Felony Probation...but it is very expensive!!

 

[konstantgrdnr]

Thanks for the info Deviant, Glad you cleared it up. Living on the left Coast has it's benifits .Space Cadet Your looking for a Product Called the URINATOR.
http://www.urinator.com/

If your looking for a product review, I must say that I'm an owner, yes ordered online arrived looks like a quality product. yes your overpaying, but it does work. Will it work for this situation, I would say it's probably the best shot you have right now. runs off batteries look into investing in a good charger. Now I don't know how long the you can keep a sample perpetually warm without degradation that would ruin the sample. That you have to talk to a chemist or the people on the website. If your a handy man and want to be pointed in the DIY direction here you go MC Master Carr catalog Heat Tape, Strips & Sheets page- 499 the link http://www.mcmaster.com/
you maybe want to use a pad and a thermometer wired together 10-12 watt pad and thermometer sensor. Hoped this helped.

 

[Deviant420]

I respect your research, but most places that drug test, don't go into extensive testing...just a simple dip-- My friends have been getting away with the Marinol thing on Felony Probation...but it is very expensive!!

Ooops! I forgot to mention that I hadn't really come up with any hard evidence that Testing Consortiums (read: DOT Random Testing Consortiums.... Make sure all DOT-regulated companies test 25% of their workforce per year [Regulated Minimum]) were using this differentiation technology yet. I meant to emphasize the fact that this testing is still not accepted in the court of law as far as I could tell. It seems the creators of this method still cannot satisfy the mandate of Daubert v. Merrel Dow Pharmaceuticals. Here's the abstract to the orginal testing procedure. Apparently, the primary author, Mahmoud el Sohly, began offering that testing service at $17,000 per test after the case in 1999. I have to assume that this testing is still vary expensive with 1 ng/mL tolerances and has "been around" for 9 years.

THCV Wikipedia

It does appear there are some differing opinions on the use of GC/MS to differentiate between the two, the recent ones saying it can now be done "easily" on the GC/MS:
marijuana.com forum posts... for what it's worth

Ultimately, if you are on DOT-testing and still want to toke, you need to sub. You will only get an monitored/observed test under a handful of conditions, so why not? There have even been reports submitted to DOT about how ineffective their own standards are and they pretty much go, "Meh, we know." Outside of whats written in regulation there is a lot of room for a company to say, "No, that is too expensive to test for [in relation to THCV vs THC, above]". On MJ.com's urine testing forum, I was able to find solid reports on Quick Fix (up to Revision 4.2 and 4.4?) and Yellow River Synthetic, which is what comes with the whizzinator. Cool little thing that you could enough comfortable enough with to use on a observed tests. I've also heard of powdered human urine that is supposedly used to calibrate the testing equipment and "has never failed in the history of the product". (test clear) I just might start doing 3oz travel-sized containers with powdered human urine.

Also found another product that is powdered human urine that comes in a complete transport kit with a 4oz!!! capacity. Basic kit here (no transport pouch)


On a related note, THCV is what Canadian company GW is working with right now in a special plant strain which contains 85% THCV and 15% THC saying:

You want a drug that takes the edge off, not one that hits you like a ton of bricks

It's a mouth-spray called SativeX that's in clinical trials right now in Canada (Maybe US?) It doesn't seem like many people are talking about it.

Quoting an Alternet Article

Sativex is to marijuana as a cup of coffee is to coffee beans. If Sativex is safe and effective, marijuana is safe and effective. And Sativex is safe and effective. Studies have shown significant effect against pain and other symptoms caused by multiple sclerosis and other debilitating conditions. Over 600 patient-years of research have established a remarkable record of safety.

Sativex should certainly be approved in the U.S., but the process may take years -- if it is allowed to happen at all. Sadly, our government's reflexive hostility to the medical use of marijuana shows no sign of abating.

 

[spacecadet]

well as of now i have 2 chouises one is tio stop smoking or have to use a handwarmer every day i still dont know all about the test yet as i have not been able to speak to the ones who got called in but i did find out why there doing it it was cause one kid who worked with us got caught bringing weed on a US military base we do hire a lot of young dumb asses. still not sure how often they will test but i did hear they got some one in the bath room with you. but way it looks theses stupid kids we hire are going to fuck this up as well and get caught with fake pee and no telling what company they will do when they find out we are cheating. but i am wounding how long it take me to test clean i only smoke may be a 1/4 a j a nite but its some ass kicking shit it will not kill me to clean up for a few months i dont even know what kind of test there doing or any thing i just know they send it off to a lab some where i think they all so are checking for heath issues as well. i took one test when i was hired on a year and a half a go but i was clean but failed the test cuse of high keytons and some other heath issue i had to go see a doc and get a good to go to work paper. but any ways i whent to work to day and the air temp was a lot hotter than yesterday and i wore 2 pairs of under wear and got the bottle right next to my nads and check it again this afternoon well 90 degrees again no way i could pass a piss today either only other way i see as of now is i will have to put a hand warmer in with it every day i work and i didn't want to do that bottom line is i got to have the temp close to 98 degree all the time as there will be no way to heat it when they call me and i will have supervisors around me the whole time till i go to the bathroom then they will have a nurse in there with me i dont even know if they search you or stand there and wach you i just know when i took my preemployment test i had to undress and put on a gown and all so take a physical wich i didn't know they was going to do so be a lil funny if i had a wizzanator on me lol been hard to expline that one to there doctor

 

[chuckyoufarley]

go to wal mart and buy a handwarmer thats what the kit comes with when ya buy it ,i work in a headshop part time used to do it ful tim e but anywho back to that like i said they come with 1 but if you dont have 1 buy 1 ,nuke for 3 seconds at a time look at the temp gauge get it to 98 and put hand warmed around it with rubberband hang in front of your pants on the inside of course with a string tied to the button on your pants taht way when you open your fly the bottles rite there no looking like your looking for your junk ,know what i mean

 

[turdcat]

Random testing is hideous.. I feel for you spacecadet.
I haven't done this yet, but may, just to be prepared. It would be a lot of work, but worth it, in a random testing environment.
Here's the plan-
You would have to do a lot of underwear shopping. Find the perfect pair for you and buy a bunch. This underwear would be the place to hide your bag of synthetic urine.
Make sure it's a good quality heavy duty med bag with tubing and a strong tube clip etc.. The urine bag should be rectangular and medium large, like the gonumber1.com medical bag. A rectangular shape is less bulky, so less bulge, and more give.
The idea is to sew a concealment pocket into your underwear to house the medical bag(with tubing) and a hand warmer. Maybe put a hole in the underwear for the tubing to always stick out of, so there's no kinking when it's being used, and less fiddling with the device... It might be difficult to be sure of the temp isn't too cold or too hot without looking at the temp strip, with someone watching you....
The urine will hopefully be pretty warm being next to your body for hours. The hand warmer is to use if you are pulled for a random test. I haven't thought of the perfect way to activate the hand warmer without looking "weird" yet.

It's a good idea to buy time by saying that you can't pee. So follow them into the bathroom and pretend to try. It will show you what their procedure is. I doubt that they'll be looking at your "gentles" but you never know. That's the ultimate invasion of privacy, and hopefully only reserved for prisoners/criminals etc. Of course we're guilty until proven innocent already.

***edit - I wonder if an extra large capacity med bag would be better. You could fill it with 2oz or more and try to take the air out of it. Then you'd wouldn't have to worry as much about kneeling down to pick something up, or to tie your shoes, and forcing a leak in the weakest section of the set up.

 

[spacecadet]

I DID HEAR THAT ONE GUY COULD NOT PEE AND THEY MADE HIM DRINK WATER TOOK HIM AN HGOUR BEFORE HE COULD PEE BUT LIKE I SAID I HAVE NOT TALK TO ANY OF THE ONE WHO WHERE TESTED JUST HEARD TRU THE GRAPE VINE THATS A NURCE WAS IN THE BATH ROOM WITH THEM AND WAS TALKING TO THEM WILE THEY PEEDED I DONT KNOW IF THERE WAS A STALL IN THERE OR NOT AS I HAVE NEVER USED THE OFFICE BATH ROOM BEFORE I DID STOP SMOKING LAST NITE GOING TO TRY AND CLEAN UP FOR A BIT AND TRY ED TO GET AT LEST ONE CLEAN TESTED SO I CAN SEE IF I CAN BEAT IT I HEARD IT WAS RADON BUT IT SURE DONT SOUND RADOM TO ME WE HAVE LIKE 150 PEPOLE WHO WORK FOR THIS SHIT COMPANY AND HAVE LIKE 6 DEPT BUT 3 OUT OF MY DEPT AND 3 OUT OF A NOUTER WAS CALLED FOR TESTING DONT SOUND RANDOM AND ALL SO HEARD THATS THERE TRYING TO BUST SOME ONE WICH MAY BE ME NOT SURE WHY THEY BE AFTER ME I ONLY USE IT WHEN I AM NOT WORKING BUT THE KIDS HERE SAY ALL KINDS OF SHIT ABOUT ME O KNOW THE FROUNT OFFICE HAS HEARD THATS EVERY ONE CALLS ME STONER ( MYNAME HERE) O QUESS TILL I GET MY SYSTEM CLEAN OUT I JUST HAVE TO USE 2 HAND WARMER DAYS TILL I CLEAN UP NOW WAY I CAN USE A BAG IN MY LINE OF WORK AND ALL SO THEY SPY ON US ALL DAY LONG EVEN IF I HAD A 5 MINS HEADS UP ON THE TEST STILL BE NO WAY I COULD GET A HAND WARMER AND PLACE IT IN WITH THE BOTTLE I CARRY ONE ME ONLY WAY FOR IT TO WORK WOULD BE TO PLACE IT IN WITH THE BOTTLE BEFORE I GO TO WORK AND HOPE THEY DO A EARLY MORN TEST WICH THEY DID THIS TIME WE START AT 6 AM AND THE TEST WAS DONE AT 8:30 IF THEY DO A late afternoon test i couild be busted cuse the hand warmer not going to work that long but tommoro morn i am going to pertend i am going to work and use the hand warmer and see how long it works and find a way ican slip on in with out any the narc kids seeing me use the dam thing

 

[Snagglepuss]

They're is a few sites that sell the kit,dried synthetic urine you add water to,wich stays in a pouch you wear under your clothes,comes with heatpack for perfect temperature.Just do the search engine ,there's also the Whizzinator ,but cheaper ones can be found.

 

[spacecadet]

well i did a test run today and worked out side in the yard all day and so far it still over a 100 degrees at 6 am i open a new hand wamer place inside a tip of a sock and pinned it to my briefs placed under 90 degrees quike fix 4.2 in side the sock and went about my business, recheck at 8:30 am bottle was over a 100 degrees nows its 4.48 pm and bottle is still; over a 100 so one hand warmer will keep it close to body temp all day long so looks like it will do just fine now next quesstion i smoke a 1/4 of a small joint a day every day does any one know how long it will stay in my system before i can test clean?

 

[turdcat]

Everyone's different. So it might be a week or more than a month. That's what I've picked up from searching all over the web. Basically no one can tell for sure because of all the variable from person to person. Some rare people seem to clear out the metabolites even faster.

 

[Deviant420]

Everyone's different. So it might be a week or more than a month. That's what I've picked up from searching all over the web. Basically no one can tell for sure because of all the variable from person to person. Some rare people seem to clear out the metabolites even faster.

Exactly. An active person that is only an occasional smoker could have it out of their system over the weekend. A fat ass that doesn't do any physical activity could be looking of 30+ days.