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Need help with Heavy heavy indica strain 4 pain

Hey everybody, I've been browsing around for the right strains for me to plant this spring, Brief about me: Due to a massive amount of chronic physical ailments I decided to give old fashion pot a chance again and picked up a joint again after 14 years of not touching any at all and noticed I had, even though not sufficient yet, medical benefits from it. I was able to totally drop high dosages of heavy opiates, benzo's and several other heavy medication for several weeks. Eventually I had to switch back because I simply lacked the right strains for my broad range of bodily problems like heavy chest pain (all over my ribcage), esophagus spasms, shortness of breath, trouble swallowing and the panic attacks my body triggers when all of my ailments kick in together and just making things even worse then they are already. Which I pretty much cure by going into full tranquilizer mode with massive painkilling, lots of anti acids (I seriously have everything in my medicine closet) and then just wait until the episode is over again. To shortly sum up (for those who haven't read my intro :p) all/most of the conditions I've been bothered by for the last 8 years: Astma (and general breathing problems due to reflux reaching the lungs and throat), GERD, Hiatal Hernia, Esophagus Spasms, Costochondritis/form of Tietze Syndrome (which runs from my chest pretty much up to my throat), IBS, heavy back pains (upper and lower) and because all of these lovely conditions a form of Aspecific Hyperreactivity (as in, I'm not allergic to anything but I CAN react heavily to pretty much anything randomly), Tachycardia and those lovely panic attacks my body creates because it has no idea what to do about stuff happening in my body and pretty much hits the emergency button making things even worse and causing stress and that lovely lump in your throat (Globus) feeling when combined with acid hitting your vocalcords/throat in general. But hey, on the upside Big Pharma makes a ton off of me with no prospect of a cure and me popping pills like they're freakin M&M's all day long and I'm only 27 and can live with this until i'm 150 sooo yay lol. Anywho back to topic, so far for the back story, might help someone to suggest something. I did some research myself and I obviously need some very heavy 100% indica's/nearly 100% indica's WITHOUT or with very little high effect just a massive narcotic, couchlocked body stone that numbs pain (neuropathic, inflammitory, acute, whatever pain), works very sedative and muscle relaxing without any traces of paranoia/anxiety triggering. It's actually pretty hard to find something so specific since most of the things are hybrids and things like Blue Cheese or OG Kush or whatever have way too much of a head high and thus sativa effects mixed in with them for them to properly work for me and sometimes even make me become hyperalgesic (doubles the pain, especially behind chest area), hyper reactive (annoying/painful feeling in lungs and esophagus) and shortness of breath (trouble swallowing) out of a vaporizer. It seems to be less with higher indica dominant hybrids eventhough I haven't found my go to strain yet. I'm not allergic as far as I know I AM howerver aspecific hyperreactive in general (broad allergy test at doc shows 0 on any substanes but a big @ss bump on histamine in general). I'm already planting a few CBD strains (mostly 1:1, if I'm lucky I might be able to get a 20:1 (or 22:1 or 24:1 whatever) if I'm able to find some seeds that is so I can mix and match a little while medicating as well. I found a few strains that I think MIGHT be useful for me but I could really use some advice. They will be grown outside btw in The Netherlands so the weather is ok-ish, it really depends on the year, last year was perfect for people with late bloomers (Amnesia Haze, other Haze's etc.) because of the dry October, while August and September sucked which ruined a lot of early floweres. It's usually the other way around though. This is what I found so far. Barneys Farm - Critical Kush (2.1% CBD?) Barneys Farm -Violator Kush (1.5% CBD?) Barneys Farm Vanilla Kush (1.2% CBD?) Sensi Seeds - Afghani #1 (95%=100% Indica) Sensi Seeds - Black Domina (Indica, 100% methinks, looks interesting) Spliff seeds/White Label - Master Kush ******s - Herijuana (95% indica, looks pretty interesting) Pyramid Seeds - Anesthesia Suggestions are more then welcome, especially from users that use it for any of the above problems (pain, spasms, etc.). I'm sure there are better choices :) Thanks in advance :).
 

dogbite1

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I have been dealing with many of the same symptoms that you seem to be having, unluckily for me the doctors never help, I've been sick the for about the same amount of time too.

For me my go to strain is Bubba Kush , I'm in California so it pretty avaliable all the time. If you could find a good bubba S1 or cross, I think you would be very happy? It checks all the boxes you are looking for and can be very functional medicine once you have a bit of a tolerance.

Good luck on your hunt, I hope you start to get some relief from your symptoms. Bubba is exactly what your looking for...

DB
 

St. Phatty

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Hey everybody, I've been browsing around for the right strains for me to plant this spring, Brief about me: Due to a massive amount of chronic physical ailments I decided to give old fashion pot a chance again and picked up a joint again after 14 years of not touching any at all and noticed I had, even though not sufficient yet, medical benefits from it. I was able to totally drop high dosages of heavy opiates, benzo's and several other heavy medication for several weeks.

. This is what I found so far. Barneys Farm - Critical Kush (2.1% CBD?) Barneys Farm -Violator Kush (1.5% CBD?) Barneys Farm Vanilla Kush (1.2% CBD?) Sensi Seeds - Afghani #1 (95%=100% Indica) Sensi Seeds - Black Domina (Indica, 100% methinks, looks interesting) Spliff seeds/White Label - Master Kush ******s - Herijuana (95% indica, looks pretty interesting) Pyramid Seeds - Anesthesia Suggestions are more then welcome, especially from users that use it for any of the above problems (pain, spasms, etc.). I'm sure there are better choices :) Thanks in advance :).


I've been looking at CBD strains myself.
CBD Crew Sweet & Sour Widow (Regular seeds so you can have a CBD male if you want to make some CBD seeds)
Dinafem Shark CBD
Freedom of Seeds Doctor Kush

The Dinafem CBD is now at about 4 weeks, the others are just sprouted.


I think they're all about 5% CBD strains.

I like a full-spectrum high, the combination of physical relaxation and mental stimulation.

Among recent strains, Cali Connection Green Crack was extra good (for me).
 
Bog seeds has a lot of indica in his line up. Hope you find a strain that helps.

I'll have a look at Bog seeds as well then :) thanks. I mostly use Strainfinder.eu for info and cheapest seed prices so I usually see most breeders pass by :).
I have been dealing with many of the same symptoms that you seem to be having, unluckily for me the doctors never help, I've been sick the for about the same amount of time too.

For me my go to strain is Bubba Kush , I'm in California so it pretty avaliable all the time. If you could find a good bubba S1 or cross, I think you would be very happy? It checks all the boxes you are looking for and can be very functional medicine once you have a bit of a tolerance.

Good luck on your hunt, I hope you start to get some relief from your symptoms. Bubba is exactly what your looking for...

DB

This is pretty much all I can find if it comes to Bubba Kush with lineage from all breeders if you click on them http://en.**********.eu/search/results/?SW="Bubba%20Kush" Some say it has a heady high though? That's absolutely what I try to avoid lol. I know it's pretty much 100 people 50 different descriptions because they come from 50 different breeders but eh so hard to pick :p You'd expect that I'd be able to easily get any kind of weed in Amsterdam but you really really can't. You're stuck with the weed menu's of stuff that's popular which usually consists of hybrids alone and lots and lots of things that get you high as a kite of which I think the feeling is dreadful lol. Sometimes they have a cheap @ss indica laying somewhere rotting behind the counter, that comes closer to what I'm looking for then what they actually have on their main menu haha.
I've been looking at CBD strains myself.
CBD Crew Sweet & Sour Widow (Regular seeds so you can have a CBD male if you want to make some CBD seeds)
Dinafem Shark CBD
Freedom of Seeds Doctor Kush

The Dinafem CBD is now at about 4 weeks, the others are just sprouted.


I think they're all about 5% CBD strains.

I like a full-spectrum high, the combination of physical relaxation and mental stimulation.

Among recent strains, Cali Connection Green Crack was extra good (for me).

My list of "CBD strains that might go in the ground this spring" is as followed: Royal Queen Seeds Royal Highness Royal Queen Seeds Royal Medic Royal Queen Seeds Euphoria Royal Queen Seeds Medical Mass Royal Queen Seeds Painkiller XL Barneys Farms CBD Critical Cure (I unfortunately have seen people complain about lots of hermies from Barney's) Barneys Farm CBD Blue Shark CBD Crew CBD Nordle CBD Crew CBD SharkShock CBD Critical mass or their CBD outdoor mix but I found a lot of negative reactions about those along the road like "it doesn't do much, especially not for pain" etc. so I'm not sure... Dutch Passion - CBD Kush Dinafem = Shark Shock CBD Dinafem - Critical Mass CBD Alphakronik Genes - Stephen Hawking Kush (if I was able to get one seed from this (and actually be lucky to get the right seed since the strain is still fairly unstable with 3 feno's/geno's) or another 20:1 CBD/THC strain but it's extremely hard to find strains like this (~1% THC/ 10%+ CBD) and if you do they cost like 500 bucks for 5 seeds REGULAR seeds or something... I, unfortunately, know nobody with a motherplant of one of these kind of strains either to be honest so that's gonna be hard, even to get a clone. If you check the lineage of most of the ones in my list they're pretty much all indica dominant. CBD strains might work a bit more cerebral but if you go indica dominant (from what i've heard) they seem to work more on your body though. The head thing is more for anti-anxiety. That general effect usually actually makes me a bit anxious to be honest but I've never really smoked CBD rich (anything above maybe 2%) weed before so I can't give an honest opinion about it but, from what I read, you seem to be better off for pain with indica dominant CBD strains then with the Sativa dominants. Which would make sense since I react horribly to sativa's, even before I got sick I disliked the feeling and I hadn't the foggiest that there was a difference between them back then because my recreational smoking days started at age 12 and ended at age 15 haha, I just knew a few names so i knew what to order but that's about it. Now, and odd 12 years later I look back and can actually pick out the things I disliked. For instance, I rather had a Northern Lights then a White Widow or a Jack Herer, the latter 2 are both balanced (herer a bit more sativa dominant) while northern was mostly indica. So a little motivated feeling is fine for me, actually better then being K.O. all day long but it has to mainly work on my pain vs anxiety effects and such :). I'm hard to shop for lol. Thanks for the quick responses btw guys, any other suggestions or validations of choices are more then welcome. Bubba is added to the list at least. Just need to find the proper breeder.
 

dansbuds

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I'm gonna suggest Bog strains myself . i'm going through 4 different sour bubble crosses looking for a knock me out strain for insomnia as well as pain relief for my cousins back . i did 2 gorilla bubbles (GG4 x SB ) recently that came out beautiful & they're helping my cousin sleep at night ..... but not me , so i'm still looking .
 
I'm gonna suggest Bog strains myself . i'm going through 4 different sour bubble crosses looking for a knock me out strain for insomnia as well as pain relief for my cousins back . i did 2 gorilla bubbles (GG4 x SB ) recently that came out beautiful & they're helping my cousin sleep at night ..... but not me , so i'm still looking .

Yeah it sucks that medical strain application isn't an exact science yet. What works perfect for one can do absolutely nothing for the other or make it even worse. With both OG Kush anf Blue Cheese (from a respectable shop that has a name to uphold) I had near to no benefits. OG kush gave me a sativa high all the way through, Blue Cheese was a bit better,after an hour anf a half of tripping b@lls sativa style my body finally became sedated and that only lasted for about an hour and it was gone. Ok, I did fall asleep right after that so you could add those hours as "pain free hours" but I usually fon't :p. It's just really hard to look so I can use as much suggestions as possible. I have room for 5 plants outdoors right now (legal limit -_-" ) ao until I have an indoor setup it'll go a bit slower. Eventually I can play around with my own mixes (I have lots of genetics experience and botany experience) but that all takes time. Which is worth it but it also requires a LOT of patience haha. I'll have a look at bog for sure, I'm also really looking at the herijuana, anyone experience with that as pain users? Or just in gneral? Here's a link for those that want genetics en.**********.eu/strain-info/Herijuana/******s_Seeds/
 
en.seedf in der.eu/str ain-in fo/Herijuana/San ni es_Se eds/ obvviously without the spaces, idk why it blocks out the link, anti spam methinks. If it's not allowed, my bad.
 

Wendull C.

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bubba kush helps my mother a lot and she has access to most everything she wants and a lot of it.
Many of the same ailments you have. the so called doctors keeping her doped up all the time is a reason I decided to grow.
 
Pfft tell me about it, I'm on uhmm 26 (give or take a pill, just had new ones so think it's 27 actually) pills right now.
They maxed out dosages Proton Pump Inhibitors (highest acid reflux meds available) from all 3 branches, it gave me breathing problems so 2 inhalers plus a pill for "uncontrollable asthma", for the pain in the muscles and spasms from the muscles of my esophagus high dosages of Baclofen (usually for MS patients, it helps against addictions in high dosages as well though so that's useful for the other junk I get), esophagus spasmed my acid up to my lungs and my vocal cords so after telling me I had a "panic attack" in the hospital 15 times they pumped me full of Benzodiazipines because those help against spasms and, hey, if your body wants to panic, it can't because you're a zombie. Still had pain in my esophagus nerves, gave me Amytriptiline because a side effect of it numbs the nerves and so on and so forth. I'm kind of getting sick of the junk.
For the pain I started with Codeine, moved up to lower dosages of morphine, eventually my doc wanted me on a morphine drip and I laughed at him (a guy my age) and asked him if he was "!*&#* insane" lol.

I was able to kick everything cold turkey while smoking sativas (only thing my friends grow) which obviously only helped about 40% (tops, and tripping b@lls because of the head effect lol) or something so I HAD to switch back to meds because I just couldn't take the pain anymore, like I said before, right after the sativa trip wears off the pain pretty much goes away so that's how I survived and know that weed works but the hyperalgesic effect I got the first 1 1/2 was pure torture lol. The entire other side of the coin, however, was that I, for the first time in over 8 years or so, was able to go out and do something all day long even with the pain that came and went away! I can't do that on my normal meds, I just sit at home, watch 130 TV shows (literally) play video games and study all day long.

I know this is going to work when I find the right strains and it's well worth it even if it takes a few years and I have to bend the law to grow my own (we have medical pot here, it sucks big floppy donkey 8888 and it costs me about 900 euro's a year EXTRA so that ain't happening). I just need as much help as I can get to shorten the period of searching and eventually start messing around with my own crosses once I found strains that work well for specific things. It's not like I have anything else to do anyway lol.
 
Bumping this a bit, does anyone else have any suggestions?

Or maybe any experience with the strains I mentioned myself like Herijuana, Black Domna, Anesthesia or even just Afghani #1 (from sensi)?

I can seriously use any advice or experience. Bubba (most likely going Indoor instead of Outdoor though) is already on my list as well now so thanks for all the response so far
 

Sdotnoop

Member
dont buy anything from sensi - they have had their day and none of their strains are like they used to be. Im guessing they lost their original mothers/parent stock and never regained them.

anyway if u want a good afghan - try seedsman - great yield and real indica stone

sensi star also a good one from paradise

good luck bud
 

The Revolution

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Ive found the Purple Pakistani Chitral to do wonders for my back and neck pain. Years of severe traumas and daily stress on my back and my entire body have really taken its toll on me. For being still fairly young, my body feels like that of a 70 year old most days. I've been in several automobile accidents, the abuse of street skating in my teen years, combined with the everyday grind of laboring in a highly stressful work environment were and are the catalyst for the pain I deal with today. 5-6 years ago Tropical Seeds gifted me some Purple Paki seeds along with some others. I believe these were from their personal collection of ace/cannabiogen stock.

I was on a job site, laying block, when I puffed my first Purple Paki joint. I immediately felt the medicine going to work on my sore back, and aching knees and joints. All of my tight muscles loosened right up. This was one of the moments I realized how beneficial cannabis was as a medicine, and this strain in particularly for its pain relieving properties. I got immediate relief from this pure landrace indica. I would recommend getting these seeds directly from cannabiogen. My favorite plants were a deep purple with blaze orange hairs. They dont grow, or yeild a significantly large crop as they are triggered to flower at about 3 feet, before most plants in my growing region, but they're quite easy to grow. I can recommend many other varieties for pain relief, and will edit this post to do so later as they come to me.
I wish you luck in your search for pain relief. Living in constant pain can be incredibly difficult and frustrating, and also being enslaved to the pharmacy and their dope is equally aggravating, demoralizing, and not a quality way of living. Stay positive and don't let it get you down brother.
 
dont buy anything from sensi - they have had their day and none of their strains are like they used to be. Im guessing they lost their original mothers/parent stock and never regained them.<br />
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anyway if u want a good afghan - try seedsman - great yield and real indica stone<br />
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sensi star also a good one from paradise<br />
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good luck bud
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I think you might be right about sensi seeds. I was actually in their seedshop in Amsterdam this summer and was talking to one of the head sales persons for a couple of hours but I kind of noticed that they hadn't the foggiest about the actual effect6 the plants would have.
They could go as far as say "You need an indica then" but yeah No Sh1t Sherlock, I kinda figured that out myself :p.
And they even have a medical webpage now a days so they have to know something about it but it was more like listening to a guy trying to sell you a car with lines right out of a book not knowing what kind of engine was in it ya know?

It could be that they lost some mothers, that would make them utterly useless for medical stability until everything is up and running again. I'll scratch anything sensi for this round just to be sure.

I'll check out the ones you suggested though.

Ive found the Purple Pakistani Chitral to do wonders for my back and neck pain. Years of severe traumas and daily stress on my back and my entire body have really taken its toll on me. For being still fairly young, my body feels like that of a 70 year old most days. I've been in several automobile accidents, the abuse of street skating in my teen years, combined with the everyday grind of laboring in a highly stressful work environment were and are the catalyst for the pain I deal with today. 5-6 years ago Tropical Seeds gifted me some Purple Paki seeds along with some others. I believe these were from their personal collection of ace/cannabiogen stock. <br />
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I was on a job site, laying block, when I puffed my first Purple Paki joint. I immediately felt the medicine going to work on my sore back, and aching knees and joints. All of my tight muscles loosened right up. This was one of the moments I realized how beneficial cannabis was as a medicine, and this strain in particularly for its pain relieving properties. I got immediate relief from this pure landrace indica. I would recommend getting these seeds directly from cannabiogen. My favorite plants were a deep purple with blaze orange hairs. They dont grow, or yeild a significantly large crop as they are triggered to flower at about 3 feet, before most plants in my growing region, but they're quite easy to grow. I can recommend many other varieties for pain relief, and will edit this post to do so later as they come to me. <br />
I wish you luck in your search for pain relief. Living in constant pain can be incredibly difficult and frustrating, and also being enslaved to the pharmacy and their dope is equally aggravating, demoralizing, and not a quality way of living. Stay positive and don't let it get you down brother.
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I would be most grateful for a good list of heavy painkilling strains.
I really don't care about getting high you know, they can keep every bit of head high (ofcourse all highs come from your head, if you pop a xanax your brain takes care of that aswell but lol, you know what I mean. I'm more looking for the xanax+morphine effect then the happy bouncy feeling that turns me hyperalgesic and just gives me more problems) so as pure indica as it can get is what I'm after, and then especially those strains that work well on pain (muscle, inflammation, nerve, acute, whatever other pain there is lol), spasms etc.

The purple sounds fine indeed, I don't care it doesn't yield THAT much, I'll just treat it as sort of an autoflower and I'll grow it inside :).

where can one obtain a good purple paki these days friend?
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+1 on that. I did a quick search, only thing I could find was Riot Seeds - Russian Blue Aka: Oceanside Purple Paki which they describe as "Our Crimea Blue that was used as the mother is also known as Blue Babyshit among the people that grow her. An amazing hashplant with killer resin production, appearing snowy white with a very distinctive stinky....butt cheese? smell. I mean it's just a pungent aroma that can't be contained by any vac sealing or smell proof bags. Our Sandtorm male was a big purple balled monster. The Sandstorm is a Purple Pakistani Kush crossed with a morroccan male. Except some amazing purple phenotypes, mostly indica phenos all with tons of resin."

It's pretty much Russian Blue »»» Crimea Blue x Sandstorm.

That's the only thing I could find.
 
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jaded1

I have some similar ailments to you TMS(and a few that aren't),i'd recommend bodhi's tranquil elephantiser or dank sinatra
Not much puts me to sleep but both those worked a treat
 

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