Need help QUICK or my girl is gonna be dead!!

[sniffs]

Hey guys! I'm in REALLY BAD need of help right now! My one Willy's Wonder has yellowed/browned up so bad that she has 2 top leaves left that are untouched (green) the rest have yellowed/crinkled/browned/rusted up and fallen off. I also have another WW that has some minor problems(shes a female I want her to be GREEN as can be hehe!!) and a gonzo that is quickly getting TONS of "rust spots" ALL over ALL her leaves(even the tops) and shes a female too! Heres some pics guys PLEASE let me know what def. you think these are so I can get them FIXED asap!

First are some quick specs: In FFOF soil w/ perlite. Their in veg still on 24/0 and I've been using 2 tsp of Grow Big/2tbl Big Bloom/ 1/2tsp of Liquid Karma every OTHER feeding. run off PH is about usually 6.7-7.0 and PH before I water(with nutes) is usually anywhere from 6.5-6.8. I also use all distilled water for my watering. Also they are all in 1 gal growbags(and no they aren't root bound at all ) Now heres the pics:

Bad Willy's Wonder:




Heres the "rusted up" Gonzo#2:




Heres the other Willy's Wonder:





Thanks in advance to anybody who throws out their opinion on my girls it's MUCH appreciated! I really hope I can figure out whats going on because I think my bad WW only has a lil left before she's totally gone !

Sniffs

 

[Weedninja]

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=102193
RO water and distilled water are basically the same thing. Your plants are showing Calcium and Magnesium deficiencies.

 

[sniffs]

Thanks WeedNinja! !

I read that other thread and I guess I'm gonna have to get some Cal-Mag. Is it usually only sold in the local shops or is it also in the big ones like Home Depot ect. ? Also do you know if I would use it every watering or only when I feed?

 

[Weedninja]

I haven't seen it anywhere but hydro shops. Something that may be easier to find is HORTICULTURAL Epsom salt. Regular Epsom salt doesn't have Calcium, just Magnesium and Sulfur. You will have to use whatever you buy every time you water.

 

[1984]

I'd be careful with the calmag. I don't know what product you're buying there , whether chemical or organic, but the calmag I got also came with nitrogen and some trace elements. I had been watering with only DW (big mistake - as someone else said DW is just wetness, there's no nutrients at all, which is why you can't drink it yourself. If you're buying 'pure' calcium and magnesium, no trace elements, you might make matters worse. I didn't need the extra nitrogen. You might be better off with tap water (left out for minimum 24 hours to get rid of the chlorine). My local tap water contains high amounts of calcium so I just mix it down with distilled, in my case 3/4 DW and 1/4 TW. Tap water also comes with many other essential trace elements, including magnesium, zinc, etc. Don't go full strength with whatever you choose to do but take it easy and wait to see results before you water again (with nutes or without - they look like they'd need to recover a while b4 you give them hard nuting again. Make sure you leave them to dry between waterings. Personally, I'd give them a weak TW/DW mix with a hint of calmag perhaps...

Next watering depends on how they react but I'd still be cautious. Others might think differently and I'm new at this and don't know much.

 

[sniffs]

Hey 1984,WeedNinja !

Thanks again for the input and info you've given me it's much appreciated ;D! The local hydro shop doesn't open until tomorrow so i'll have to wait to get the cal-mag. Thanks 1984 I'll be sure to check it for N and other stuff so I don't over do it. Any others that have any ideas what this might be PLEASE let me know!! My girls are getting eatin up FAST!!! Any others who have used Cal-Mag please let me know because I want to know more on it/how to use it ect.! Thanks guys hope to hear from more soon!

sniffs over and out =P

 

[apollo13]

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flush with water and use some revive from advanced nutrients this will take care of your problem

 

[sniffs]

Hey thanks for your input apollo what exact is in this "revive" from Advanced Nutes? Do you know by any chance? Prolly gonna flush the 3 tonight and tomorrow the local shop will be open so I can go and grab some cal-mag and ask the people there their opinions..

 

[sniffs]

Quick question guys....how do I find out whats in my tap water/how much of it is in there? I want to know because I'm using Distilled now and I want to try and use half distilled/some tap and find my sweet spot if I can just find out whats in my tap water...

 

[Weedninja]

Quick question guys....how do I find out whats in my tap water/how much of it is in there? I want to know because I'm using Distilled now and I want to try and use half distilled/some tap and find my sweet spot if I can just find out whats in my tap water...

Ask the guy at the grow shop where you can get your water analyzed......or call your water company. No matter what you do in the long run, you still need to get your girls some Calcium and Magnesium quickly. I would suggest a foliar application of whatever you buy.

 

[wygram]

Cities usually produce an annual water quality report... google your city's water authority or check here http://www.epa.gov/safewater/dwinfo/index.html

 

[sniffs]

Hey guys!

Well I went and got some Cal-Mag(botanicare I think) and watered my 2 girls with the serious problems with it tonight at 1 tsp per gallon and sprayed the leaves of the one thats REALLY bad to test it before I use it on my good female gonzo. Anybody know about how long it takes to see them getting "better"? And I take it my gonzo with all the bad "rust spots"(are getting really worse quick) on it will have healthy NEW growth if the Cal-Mag works right? It wouldn't take any of the rust spots away from the leaves at all would it?(Hope that wasn't a stupid question !) Also I'm having troubles with getting my PH at the right spot in the beginning before I put food in it(besides PH up/or down) with distilled water. When I test the water straight from the jug it reads usually around 7.4-7.8(sometimes a lil lower) so then I usually have to put a TAD bit of PH Down in it to get it down to the 6.3-6.8 area, but everytime I put a lil' in it always goes down to about 5.8-5.5.3ish, and when I say I put a LIL' in I mean barely ANY! I just shake the bottle up open it take the cap of it and put it over the jug and tap whatever little drips are in there and thats it. I just don't understand how that little amount brings me down so much almost 2 full points sometimes anybody got any suggestions? Thanks for all the previous and future help you all give !

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[wygram]

don't pour pH down straight into the jug... use a teaspoon instead to measure a few drops... if that still is too much, dilute the pH down something like 10:1 with water and then add it to the nutrient mix

all the bad "rust spots"(are getting really worse quick) on it will have healthy NEW growth if the Cal-Mag works right? It wouldn't take any of the rust spots away from the leaves at all would it?

exactly... the cal-mag won't recover the damage you see on the leaves... maybe a tiny bit... it will prevent things from getting worse on newer growth... in a couple days if the new fan leaves aren't deteriorating you know you got your problem...

 

[sniffs]

Hey wygram thanks for the response! Yeah I usually just measure out a tiny drip or 2 from the cap of the PH bottle but from now on ill get a lil drop on a teaspon or somethin then add a lil water to it to dilute it! Thanks again wygram much appreciated bro !

Over and out,
Sniffs

 

[Weedninja]

don't pour pH down straight into the jug... use a teaspoon instead to measure a few drops... if that still is too much, dilute the pH down something like 10:1 with water and then add it to the nutrient mix


exactly... the cal-mag won't recover the damage you see on the leaves... maybe a tiny bit... it will prevent things from getting worse on newer growth... in a couple days if the new fan leaves aren't deteriorating you know you got your problem...

Well said! You're not going to cure the leaves that are already trashed, but you will hopefully stop the problem from progressing.

 

[johnyhash]

Could it be Ph is part of the problem? possibly to acidic locking out calcium and magnesium. I wouldnt add nutes until testing your run off, but I would go with a foliar application.

 

[SouthernSmoker]

Hey Sniffs you seem alittle hessitant on giving the girls what they need .
Dont be it will all turn out for ya man just breath !!!!!
you are feeding foxfarm grow big at 10mls or 2 tsp 1 oz of bigbloom and 2.5 mls LK add 5 mls calmag to it and give it to them !! Set your Ph to 6.0 to 6.3 mag and cal intake get slowed down in ph higher then 6.5 If you are not in flower you can drop the big bloom till mid flower (2oz to a gal of big bloom at 6.2 @ 40 days in you can allmost see them grow right before your eyes ) the lk will give them what they need in veg .

Oh yea ! if you have flushed them out with distilled water you have taken all food away from them and this can stunt there growth . So if you have not fed them you need to do so now !!
i know these are your girls and you love them and dont want them to be unhappy but you can not be scared to give them what they need either .

 

[sniffs]

Well hello everybody !

Unfortunately I'm back with more problems coming from my little girlies and I figured I would just post back on my original thread because the infirmary is already flooded with enough threads as it is! I really need all of these things taken care of immediately because I need to switch them to 12/12 but I don't want them to be stressed when they switch. Heres some current details about my hobby:

-Strains are still the same(DSD,Gonzo#2, Willys Wonder, BerryPurple,Blueberry,Original HazexSkunk#1,Euforia, and Kushberry)
-Vegging, some under a 8 lamp T5, some under 400w HPS-24/0(since start)
-In FFOF soil w/a good amount of perlite
-Fed FF Grow Big/Big Bloom, Cal-Mag,Liquid K, and right before the switch FF open Sesame, Feeding is different for 2 different groups-1 is full strength, 1 is 3/4
-Use Distilled water for waterings
-PH runoff is usually 6.1-6.8 and I've been having a little trouble with the PH BEFORE I mix anything(just the distilled water PH). I was told to get your PH set right from the start with the distilled water. My distilled water usually has a PH of 7.8-8.3, so I always put PH down in it(a little bit under the amount the bottle recommends per Gal., but I've also followed the bottles doses too and I get the same problem). For some reason the PH down is shooting my PH down ridiculously low. I've even gone as far as to only let 1 little tiny drop go in my gal jug, and that still brings it all the way down to about 5.2-5.4 when I do that. Does anybody know the problem or if I'm doing something wrong here?

My main problem I think is I have some type of insect/bug in my tents/room. I've seen small white bugs(only 2 ever) jumping in the runoff pan, and I've also seen moths/possibly other moth-like(looking) flying ones. I don't know for sure if it's bugs but some leaves have tiny little holes in them(not many) and the yellow spots on them are kinda weird and don't look to much like deficiencies. I also have a ton of weird yellowing on my freshly rooted clones. They are in rapid rooters and when they had a damn damn good amount of large nice white roots I put them in a keg kup of FFOF w/perlite. Some of them also have small holes in them. Enough of me blabbing Heres the pics:

Gonzo#2-These are some pics of the things I think are bugs






DSD-All have the same problems:




Clones:






And last my Euphoria-She all the sudden started getting REALLY light green all over/yellowing and then came down with tons of brown crispy spots all over I think almost starting at the top or middle, definatly didn't start from the bottom and move up.



Oh I also didn't mention these will be going under 2 1K HPS's as soon as I get these problems fixed and I KNOW for a FACT I have no bad bug problems!

Well guys I need your imput because I just dont know what the hell those holes in my leaves/the little yellow marks could be coming from, and I think my DSD's might have a N def. possibly? My main worry is the bugs/mites/insects(if there even is any)! Are there any products that are kinda almost all in one killers for say, all kinds of flying bugs? Hope to hear from you guys soon and thanks in advance for all the great responses !

Over and out
Sniffs

 

[sniffs]

bummppp need some help from the experts pleasee!

 

[sniffs]

Well guys I just checked out my girls and my 2 Gonzo#2's and all my BerryPurple clones are all getting worse and worse by the day. I took some more pics of them just now also. Something weird is going on in my Gonzo's I am seeing little tiny pieces of brownish things on the upper leaves(I have !pics) and usually see an ok amount of teeny tiny little white things. Their SUPER tiny, but I managed to get a pic of some. and the yellowing spots/things are just so weird, which is what is leading me to think it's some sort of bug doing all this because it doesnt look like a nute problem to me...So heres some more pics guys, I hope I get a response this time hehe

Gonzo#2's:
--Little white specs:




Now the little brown things in the leaves(I think they could be from some kind of bug crawling on them):




And now all the yellowing spots/holes in the leaves:








(that last one ^ looks like some sort of bug bite, but I just can't figure out what it could be making holes in patterns like that. Who knows it could be some kind of nute/lockout problem)

And heres some pics of my BerryPurple clones that have been in FFOF soil since 11/15:








Now the WEIRD thing is, is that the problems I'm having with both the Gonzo's AND the clones only effect THEM. My DSD/Willy's Wonder have NONE of the same problems that the gonzo and clones do, which is really boggling my mind ! If it IS some type of bug could it be that they don't like the other plants just my gonzo girls and clones? Also I was wondering do TERMITES eat plants?(I'm thinking no but I could be wrong), because the house I'm renting definitely has termites, but I'm not going to tell the landlords because then they will get it tented and I'd have to tear everything down and have no place to go ! Well once again I hope to hear from some of you guys I'm REALLY worried about my clones/Gonzo's(especially the Gonzo shes a beauty and I wanna say she's leaning more towards the Hindu Kush side), and I'm worried about all my other plants getting infected when I put all my vegging girls(DSD/WW/Gonzo/clones) into my flowering tent with my other girls. Take it easy guys stay safe and hope to talk to some of you soon

Sniffs