I do not know if you saw my edit. Guardian had a secret ingredient, Avid, which has been outlawed. That other stuff is made from Spinosad, and is safe, and Lowes are just about everywhere.
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I do not know if you saw my edit. Guardian had a secret ingredient, Avid, which has been outlawed. That other stuff is made from Spinosad, and is safe, and Lowes are just about everywhere.
MrGrowboto
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Heres some close-up shots I got earlier. I will get some better ones when I get home. Those flies don't really look like these. These have that very distinctive triangular shape on their backs and are lighter brown/tan in color, not black like those ones.
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Yeah, the critter squished in the tweezers has very different eyes. I don't think that's a fly. That head and the crossed wings do look like a true bug. You noted the resemblance to squash bugs. If so, then carefully viewed from the side, you should be able to see a long thin tubular piercing mouth structure folded back under the chin.
edit; Was just looking at Chinch Bugs, and False Chinch Bugs. They're not as skinny as yours, but have a good resemblance. There's a lot of crawlers in the bug group. Good chance they're not just hanging out, but are feeding on your plants by piercing and sucking.
edit; Was just looking at Chinch Bugs, and False Chinch Bugs. They're not as skinny as yours, but have a good resemblance. There's a lot of crawlers in the bug group. Good chance they're not just hanging out, but are feeding on your plants by piercing and sucking.
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I would say one of the true bug species looks pretty damn close. Some of the ones in google images look identical. Now to figure out how to get rid of them.
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Ratz- that might not actually be a bad idea. I agree, no sprays. I will absolutely not go there. When lights turn on, Im going to go through every single inch of everybsingle plant and pick off and squish as many as I can (they are slow and easy to catch), the. im going to hang sticky fly traps from the corners of my light, put yellow sticky cards in my soil, maybe take a vacuum like unmentioned to whatever is left and clean all the walls. Look for eggs and remove if need be, and then place a bug screen over the door to keep anything else from getting in. I will get these little bastards whatever it takes lol. Ive put too much love into my girls to let them get taken over by some damn bugs.
While you're searching, keep an eye out for eggs. Have you seen any of them paired up tail to tail? That's typical of squash and box elder bugs.
MrGrowboto
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I have seen a few tail to tail, yes. A few people on Rollitup suggested they are most likely "Leptoglossus occidentalis" or a coreidae family. Another suggested "Coriomeris Denticulatus." These all look similar.
They suggested to wash the plants with water then apply neem oil and check for eggs as well. Im assuming I would only do this to the leaves amd not the buds? Im also going to hang the fly sticky strips to catch strays.
What do you all think?
I see that the Coreidae don't all have flattened hind legs. Looks like a good match.
http://www.americaninsects.net/ht/coreidae.html
Some of them are predators, but if you have a swarm on your plants I'd expect them to be feeding on the plants. My neighbor had great success knocking down squash bugs with a petroleum based oil spray... so neem might be a good bet. If they're mating you'll have eggs for sure. I think hand picking and squishing will make a big difference. If you have small containers, maybe you could carry plants outside and blow the buggers off with an air nozzle?
Like squash bugs, I suspect that a big infestation means that these are the offspring of some earlier colonizers. So they've probably already been reproducing. Keep an eye out for much smaller ones with a shorter body form... like baby squash bugs that look like crabs.
How much longer do your plants need to go?
I don't think it's Leptoglossus occidentalis since the photos online show the classic "leaf footed bug" hind legs which are flattened out like an oar blade. Your photos don't show that. I think an identification to species would require a trip to a university library. But they're bugs, and they're feeding on your plants by piercing and sucking. And they'll lay eggs and overrun the place like squash bugs if left to their own devices. I think you're on the right track. You don't need to get every one. You need to make it to harvest. You'll need to make sure no adults hide in crevices in your room to come out and infest your next crop.
Smoking bud coated with neem oil is not a pleasant experience, so yeah, leaves and stems. Good thing these are slower than squash bugs. Those bastards are escape artists.
http://www.americaninsects.net/ht/coreidae.html
Some of them are predators, but if you have a swarm on your plants I'd expect them to be feeding on the plants. My neighbor had great success knocking down squash bugs with a petroleum based oil spray... so neem might be a good bet. If they're mating you'll have eggs for sure. I think hand picking and squishing will make a big difference. If you have small containers, maybe you could carry plants outside and blow the buggers off with an air nozzle?
Like squash bugs, I suspect that a big infestation means that these are the offspring of some earlier colonizers. So they've probably already been reproducing. Keep an eye out for much smaller ones with a shorter body form... like baby squash bugs that look like crabs.
How much longer do your plants need to go?
I don't think it's Leptoglossus occidentalis since the photos online show the classic "leaf footed bug" hind legs which are flattened out like an oar blade. Your photos don't show that. I think an identification to species would require a trip to a university library. But they're bugs, and they're feeding on your plants by piercing and sucking. And they'll lay eggs and overrun the place like squash bugs if left to their own devices. I think you're on the right track. You don't need to get every one. You need to make it to harvest. You'll need to make sure no adults hide in crevices in your room to come out and infest your next crop.
Smoking bud coated with neem oil is not a pleasant experience, so yeah, leaves and stems. Good thing these are slower than squash bugs. Those bastards are escape artists.
I think that the genus Alydus might be a good bet. Broad Head Bugs. Plug Alydus into google images and take a look.
MrGrowboto
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Crusader - Thanks for all the advice. I got some neem oil, a bug screen to hang in the door way, and some fly strips (maybe they might help?). I just got home from work, and its still pretty bad in there. I did some more plucking and squishing. They are also crawling on the pots, some on the floor, some in the soil, but not too bad. I also found that the outside of my shed is absolutely crawling with these things. I have never seen these before! They are everywhere though. The plants still appear perfectly healthy and happy, though I am most definitley not. Im going to post a link to the Rollitup forum where some other guys have also been helping me outbwoth this. Im exhausted and need some sleep and this forum takes way too much effort to post pictures right now. Im going to try and wake up a bit early and do the neem oil thos afternoon, although its going to be a few hours project and I don't know if Ill have the time today.
I am on day 36. So just about 3 weeks, maybe 4 for some. Just need to hold out until then!
http://www.rollitup.org/t/need-help-identifying-these-bugs-please.915976/#post-12804436
I am on day 36. So just about 3 weeks, maybe 4 for some. Just need to hold out until then!
http://www.rollitup.org/t/need-help-identifying-these-bugs-please.915976/#post-12804436
On the outside of the shed? I also live in the desert, and last year some buildings were swarmed with similar bugs. We always have box elder bugs (with a red x on the back and as an outline) swarming the maple trees, but these were smaller and slightly different. I think they showed a red patch on the upper abdomen when they spread their wings. But I doubt that they were swarming the local hardware store as a food source. So consider the possibility that your bugs aren't necessarily preying upon your plants. Your grow room might just be a comfortable place out of the heat. At least that's the hopeful best case scenario. Good luck with this!
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Yea, these things are EVERYWHERE!!!!! I even found spiderweb that was built sometime in the last 6 hours woth thousands of baby spiders eatimg these things. I left it for now cause its away from the plants. I domt know what to do. I really don't. This is a major major infestation.
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google =bugs in western us desert. not cicada's.?
You haven't shown what environment your plants are in, or what the lighting source is. Maybe you could enclose the plants somehow? A mosquito net tent? Put them in a big camping tent? The first step in control has to be finding a way to keep more of them from joining the party at your house. What good is it to spray if a couple hundred more bugs are waiting to take the place of those you sprayed?
When you squish them, are they full of green cannabis juice? Do they look like they're feeding or just socializing? I suggest that you place some in a jar and go visit the local nursery. Tell them that the bugs are swarming the plants in your yard and you're worried they'll destroy your landscaping. Other people around you must be experiencing the same problem, and it seems the local nursery people would have some info.
When you squish them, are they full of green cannabis juice? Do they look like they're feeding or just socializing? I suggest that you place some in a jar and go visit the local nursery. Tell them that the bugs are swarming the plants in your yard and you're worried they'll destroy your landscaping. Other people around you must be experiencing the same problem, and it seems the local nursery people would have some info.
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They are in a shed. There is a back room area that I use for the grow area. I can shut the door, but it gets waaaaay too hot if I do, so Inleave the in er door open. The door going into the shed needs to be replaced because they can definitely get in through the cracks. The light is a 315w cmh. I plan on taking all the plants outside in the morning, shaking them off, cleaning them all, using neem oil on the leaves, and getting off as many as possible. While I do that, my girlfriend will be in the grow room, cleaning from top to bottom with bleach/water and vacuuming up all the bugs. Im going to put either some DE in the vacuum container to kill them once they are in there, or spraying the inside with a pesticide so they dont escape.
After its all clean, and rid of bugs, I am going to seal every little crack with silicone, and I bought one of those "as seen on tv" door nets that has magnets down the middle to open up. This will go over the door leading into the main grow area to help keep any future bugs out. I also got some rid-x or whatever its called leaticide spray to spray the perimeter of the shed and all doorways. Its going to be quite a project, but hopefully once Im done it will be sealed up tight. My next project will be replacig the main door that goes into the shed with something solid and sealed when closed.
When I squish them, I dont really notice anything inside them, just regular bug squish juice, nothing green or sticky that I noticed. Ill have to check again though as Inwasn't really looking for this. Thats a great idea about collecting some to being to the nursery! My girlfriend actually recommended the same thing. Were going to save some tomorrow in a jar and bring them down there on Wednesday since were going that way anyways.
At least for my next grow, I now know how quickly a pest issue can happen, so I will take every precaution necessary to seal it up tight! Ill get these little bastards!
Heres some pictures of the actual grow area. For my next run, im going to use the smaller room where my plants are currently as a cloning/room. Then the room where I have the one plant under the fluorescent will be my new main grow space as it is 5x5 instead of the 3.5x4.5 of the smaller one. Im also getting a second 315 cmh light to use in here... Or maybe build a cob led... Still deciding which would be best.
After its all clean, and rid of bugs, I am going to seal every little crack with silicone, and I bought one of those "as seen on tv" door nets that has magnets down the middle to open up. This will go over the door leading into the main grow area to help keep any future bugs out. I also got some rid-x or whatever its called leaticide spray to spray the perimeter of the shed and all doorways. Its going to be quite a project, but hopefully once Im done it will be sealed up tight. My next project will be replacig the main door that goes into the shed with something solid and sealed when closed.
When I squish them, I dont really notice anything inside them, just regular bug squish juice, nothing green or sticky that I noticed. Ill have to check again though as Inwasn't really looking for this. Thats a great idea about collecting some to being to the nursery! My girlfriend actually recommended the same thing. Were going to save some tomorrow in a jar and bring them down there on Wednesday since were going that way anyways.
At least for my next grow, I now know how quickly a pest issue can happen, so I will take every precaution necessary to seal it up tight! Ill get these little bastards!
Heres some pictures of the actual grow area. For my next run, im going to use the smaller room where my plants are currently as a cloning/room. Then the room where I have the one plant under the fluorescent will be my new main grow space as it is 5x5 instead of the 3.5x4.5 of the smaller one. Im also getting a second 315 cmh light to use in here... Or maybe build a cob led... Still deciding which would be best.
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These were taken today. There were hundreds of baby spiders that had build a huge web up around my light. It wasn't there this morning. I took it all down amd killed them all... But them i though I should have left them if rhey are catching the flies. Oh well.
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Neem oil use
Neem oil use
Ok, so I have a question on how to properly use the neem oil. I got the extract and it is in concentrate form, so it needs to be diluted wth water first. I was told by someone to wash the leaves of the plants with water first, then use the neem. So I guess ai will take them outside, wash all the leaves very carefully making sure not to get the buds wet right? Then after that, spray each leaf with the neem oil top and bottom, again, making sure to not get any on the buds. Do I then wash the neem oil off woth water again? Or do I just leave it on there? Ive also heard that mixing a little soap in with the solution will help. Donyou think this would be a good idea? If so, what kind of soap and how much?
I was told to make sure they are not under an hid light after applying the neem because it will burn the plants, is this correct? If so, how long must I wait until they are able to be put back under their light?
As far as the soil goes, would it be a good idea to sprinkle some DE on top of the soil? Its not going to hurt my roots when its time to water and it gets absorbed into my soil right? I think I might also sprinkle some DE on the grow room floor as well just as an extra precaution.
Are there any other pesticides you guys might recommend I use in addition to these two things? I just want to make sure Inreally get them good and also prevent their return.
Heres the neem oil I bought. The insecticidal soap is something else I was looking into getting but decided against it. Do you think it might be a good idea to pick this up as well? Im trying to stay away from insecticides, but I need these gone!! Theres also some pics of my buds. You can see why Im iffy about putting anything on them and why Im worried about these bugs getting stuck in the resin. Some of these girls are very very sticky!
Heres the neem oil I bought:
Heres the other stuff, I didn't get it but should I?
A couple bud shots, coming along nicely until these damn bugs showed up!:
Neem oil use
Ok, so I have a question on how to properly use the neem oil. I got the extract and it is in concentrate form, so it needs to be diluted wth water first. I was told by someone to wash the leaves of the plants with water first, then use the neem. So I guess ai will take them outside, wash all the leaves very carefully making sure not to get the buds wet right? Then after that, spray each leaf with the neem oil top and bottom, again, making sure to not get any on the buds. Do I then wash the neem oil off woth water again? Or do I just leave it on there? Ive also heard that mixing a little soap in with the solution will help. Donyou think this would be a good idea? If so, what kind of soap and how much?
I was told to make sure they are not under an hid light after applying the neem because it will burn the plants, is this correct? If so, how long must I wait until they are able to be put back under their light?
As far as the soil goes, would it be a good idea to sprinkle some DE on top of the soil? Its not going to hurt my roots when its time to water and it gets absorbed into my soil right? I think I might also sprinkle some DE on the grow room floor as well just as an extra precaution.
Are there any other pesticides you guys might recommend I use in addition to these two things? I just want to make sure Inreally get them good and also prevent their return.
Heres the neem oil I bought. The insecticidal soap is something else I was looking into getting but decided against it. Do you think it might be a good idea to pick this up as well? Im trying to stay away from insecticides, but I need these gone!! Theres also some pics of my buds. You can see why Im iffy about putting anything on them and why Im worried about these bugs getting stuck in the resin. Some of these girls are very very sticky!
Heres the neem oil I bought:
Heres the other stuff, I didn't get it but should I?
A couple bud shots, coming along nicely until these damn bugs showed up!:
I suspect that a month from now, whether you do anything or not, these bugs will all be gone. That's the nature of swarms.
