Need Advice

[smilley]

Ok, the flowering room will be empty in 3 weeks and I have these 2 seed packs to choose from. The room is 4ft x 4ft and lit with a 480W Chinese quantum board LED. I was originally going to grow 5 Zamaldicas but maybe 5 Honduras x Panama? Maybe a mix? Is 5 too many, too few? I have very little experience with pure sativas so any advice would be appreciated.

 

[YukonKronic]

5 should be fine provided you don’t veg beyond about 24” before flip. A lot depends on root space. I run a couple 4x4s with soil beds and I can run 9 plants topped to 3-5 leads and scrogged at about 12 inches off soil with no problem.
Zamaldelica is my favourite herb. It’s fucking AWESOME when you get one that fits your brain chemistry just right and still amazing if there’s no super special effects. I had a pheno comparable to shrooms or E or both. Not as powerful as those but similar effect.
Lol HonPan is also apparently great though! I just got some Honduras sent my way because everyone here who’s into clear clean super high sativa weeds says it’s frick amazing.
HonPan will be less powerfully trippy than Zam and may have slightly less refined Terps but it will be damn good daytime weed that yields really well.
Dubi can say more.
Check my thread out too... or the Zamaldelica thread both have lots of accurate descriptions and Zam thread is full of knowledgeable growers to ask questions of.

Deep water Dude can probably tell you more as well I think he may have grown both..

 

[SolarLogos]

Ok, the flowering room will be empty in 3 weeks and I have these 2 seed packs to choose from. The room is 4ft x 4ft and lit with a 480W Chinese quantum board LED. I was originally going to grow 5 Zamaldicas but maybe 5 Honduras x Panama? Maybe a mix? Is 5 too many, too few? I have very little experience with pure sativas so any advice would be appreciated.

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How much vertical height do you have? Are you planning to do a scrog? I've grown out the HxP and they have tremendous vigor. Outdoors, they outgrow their 15 gallon pots easily and I was constantly feeding daily and flushing to keep them from deficiencies. They still did over 8 feet in height. I'm growing Zam OD in greenhouse and they are very manageable.

The clones taken from the mature mom's did well in 2 gallon pots indoors, topped a few times. Best yield would to do a scrog. Hush is the guy to talk to about that, he is a scrog master with these kinds of sativa.
Peace, God bless

 

[SolarLogos]

5 should be fine provided you don’t veg beyond about 24” before flip. A lot depends on root space. I run a couple 4x4s with soil beds and I can run 9 plants topped to 3-5 leads and scrogged at about 12 inches off soil with no problem.
Zamaldelica is my favourite herb. It’s fucking AWESOME when you get one that fits your brain chemistry just right and still amazing if there’s no super special effects. I had a pheno comparable to shrooms or E or both. Not as powerful as those but similar effect.
Lol HonPan is also apparently great though! I just got some Honduras sent my way because everyone here who’s into clear clean super high sativa weeds says it’s frick amazing.
HonPan will be less powerfully trippy than Zam and may have slightly less refined Terps but it will be damn good daytime weed that yields really well.
Dubi can say more.
Check my thread out too... or the Zamaldelica thread both have lots of accurate descriptions and Zam thread is full of knowledgeable growers to ask questions of.

Deep water Dude can probably tell you more as well I think he may have grown both..

Dang your quick. You posted all that while I was writing my little reply. I knew if the zam was in the message, you would show up
Thanks my friend, good answer.
Peace, God bless

 

[YukonKronic]

Fuck it I say run both. 3 of each. Do at least 5 gallon pots and keep soil on the light side (too much fertilizer will cause hermaphroditism in some Zam phenos) top em to five leads so they don’t stretch to the moon if you get a lanky one and please be prepared to let them finish flowering till they’re almost dead... lol the longer Zam can go the better it usually gets. Very very few growers are patient enough to over ripen Zamaldelica... also long cures are very important for pure sativa especially land race based ones. 3 month minimum for Zam to get her fully rounded depth of effect and flavour

 

[YukonKronic]

Dang your quick. You posted all that while I was writing my little reply. I knew if the zam was in the message, you would show up
Thanks my friend, good answer.
Peace, God bless

Lol.. I love Zam. Love it. Turns out I’m not too bad at growing her either after fucking it up a couple dozen times

Always good to see ya Sol!

 

[SolarLogos]

Lol.. I love Zam. Love it. Turns out I’m not too bad at growing her either after fucking it up a couple dozen times

Always good to see ya Sol!

Good to see you too my friend. I have to disagree with you though on one point; if anyone wants to see some nice zam, your thread is the place on here to be. Your zam and Guatemala cross is out of this world and the craziest resin male I've seen. Don't cut yourself too short.
Peace, God bless

 

[YukonKronic]

 

[smilley]

Fuck it I say run both. 3 of each. Do at least 5 gallon pots and keep soil on the light side (too much fertilizer will cause hermaphroditism in some Zam phenos) top em to five leads so they don’t stretch to the moon if you get a lanky one and please be prepared to let them finish flowering till they’re almost dead... lol the longer Zam can go the better it usually gets. Very very few growers are patient enough to over ripen Zamaldelica... also long cures are very important for pure sativa especially land race based ones. 3 month minimum for Zam to get her fully rounded depth of effect and flavour

I'm used to growing in 2 gallon pots.will they get too root bound or become stunted? I've got lots of headroom but would prefer to keep them under 4ft tall. I don't mind the long finishing times but I doubt I can keep my hands off it for a full 3 month cure. It'll depend on how far the current crop takes me...

I like the idea of 3 of each but I'm concerned the learning curve will be too steep with 2 strains so I think mono cropping is probably the way to go. I'm leaning towards 5 zamaldecas (if they all germinate).

 

[YukonKronic]

I'm used to growing in 2 gallon pots.will they get too root bound or become stunted? I've got lots of headroom but would prefer to keep them under 4ft tall. I don't mind the long finishing times but I doubt I can keep my hands off it for a full 3 month cure. It'll depend on how far the current crop takes me...

I like the idea of 3 of each but I'm concerned the learning curve will be too steep with 2 strains so I think mono cropping is probably the way to go. I'm leaning towards 5 zamaldecas (if they all germinate).

If your doing soil 2g is too small in my opinion.. haha I grow in 150 gallon beds though...maybe you could do 2g then pot-up to 5g after stretch is over? Zam can initiate semi-auto flowering when it gets rootbound and she has a very vigorous root system. *You can ask Terpene about small pots and Zam too*
Also long flowering sativa tend to like less strong nutrients but because they flower so long they need them for longer. This can cause deficiencies in small pots pretty quickly and then one has to “walk the tightrope” so to speak with staying on top of constant feed at concentration levels acceptable to the plant.
It can be done don’t get me wrong but considering your already on a learning curve I would tend to give yourself more room to err on the side of caution regarding pot sizes. Especially considering Zamaldelica sometimes can throw hermaphroditic flowers if she gets over fed or poorly balanced nutrition.

4 ft is plenty. Your going to be restricting plant size a little with smaller pots; I’ve seen among bushy sativa that they generally grow as wide laterally as their roots can travel so a skinny pot will translate to more vertical growth than lateral once your plant matures.
Also if you top and/or train Zamaldelica she is very manageable in small spaces for such a vigorous plant.
I hear you about the cure I have a hell of a time leaving it alone too! It was a long time before I grew enough to save a bit for 3 months and I was really impressed by the difference. Smoother smoke mellower more rounded flavours and the high gains a great deal of depth and vibrancy.
Monocrop of Zamaldelica is going to be fun my friend! I think your going to like it.. the flavour alone is really great and the effect are unique and special and some are really wild.
This post had too many words so here’s a pic of my ZamxGuatemala cross. This particular line is very dominated by the Thai/Zamal side of things.

Look forward to seeing your experience play out! Drop in my thread (link is in my sig) or the Zam thread if you have any questions, lots of folks willing to help if they can.

 

[ULMW]

Greetings and glad tidings. Welcome to the Ace Farmer Family.
As you described yourself being new and you only have 4 x 4 space and a small ish quanta board,I would perhaps lean towards the Golden rule of thumb.. 'LESS IS MORE'
I have grown Zamaldelica in a similar set up 4 big plants will fill that space easily. 2 to 3 plants will keep a new grower More than enough during their cycle of life. By keeping two or three plants you can grow them in 20L buckets and gain large yields if you do some LST, maybe super cropping or just plain old topping a few times..
I would not start out with a SCROG or anything other than plants in the 20l pots with either soil or coco medium. Hand watering gives you a wonderful hands on learning experience that can easily be maintained.
I like growing in coco with canna coco nutes and some canna cal/mag. 2ml per litre into a 10L pot then simply feed all the way from week 2 of germination. Small amounts to begin and as the plants grow and develop you can continue to feed from this same simple formula, just increase the amount the plant gets the larger it gets.. I like to keep it simple as possible. Then at week 6 out of 9 or 10 of flowering is when I go to begin my final flush and then onwards just plain water until harvest.
I would recommend sticking to Zamaldelica to begin with as the plants structures should be similar in heights and character although a few phenos may express themselves. Bushy plants seem common, others may grow taller.
Check with Dubi for the best information on each. Happy growing!
If I can be of any help, feel free to msg.

 

[smilley]

Thanks ULMW , Yukon Kronic and SolarLogos. I've decided. I'll start 4 Zamaldecas in 6 inches, up pot to the 2 gals and then put them in 20 liter square pots at beginning of flower.

I'm expecting quite a ride but it sounds like the effort will be worth the results. I'll keep you posted on the Zamaldica thread. Probably start the seeds this weekend.

 

[YukonKronic]

Thanks ULMW , Yukon Kronic and SolarLogos. I've decided. I'll start 4 Zamaldecas in 6 inches, up pot to the 2 gals and then put them in 20 liter square pots at beginning of flower.

I'm expecting quite a ride but it sounds like the effort will be worth the results. I'll keep you posted on the Zamaldica thread. Probably start the seeds this weekend.

If your potting up to 20L at START of flower I would definitely top. Left alone they can do 4x stretch with enough root space. Fems probably won’t but they can.
Dubi usually recommends potting up after stretching phase has finished. Roots continue growing through entire flower cycle with Zam so you can TP as stacking begins and she will fill the bucket with roots and use all that soil to fatten buds.

How far Northern Canada? Always good to see another Northerner

 

[smilley]

Point taken, I'll do the final up-pot after stretch. I haven't used the 20l's in over 10 years. Never saw the need.

I live in the Edmonton area, not as far North as you but as the years go by, the winters get colder and colder.

Thanks for the advice, I have a bad habit of forging ahead blindly and screwing things up,lol.

Attached is a pic of my space finishing up. Just some homemade hybrids and a single RMS Harmony.

 

[YukonKronic]

Noice! Beautiful fade on those babies
Always glad to help when I can. You garden is definitely yours to grow as you like I just throws my two cents out so people can pick em up if they feel like it
When in doubt get a pm or email to Dubi... you’ll find he and the ACE team are amazingly accommodating and helpful people.

 

[YukonKronic]

Lol we should switch! Winters up here keep getting warmer. It rained today. In November. In the fuckn Yukon!? It’s supposed to be -20 to -35C ALL the time right now with dips down to -40 or -50 for a week at a time.

It was almost 20 below one night last week. Sigh. I guess I’ll just cheer up about all the mud and invasive species by growing more greenhouse weed

 

[smilley]

Furthest north I've been is Tungsten. Some of the most beautiful country I've ever seen. Sure don't wanna live there but each to his own;-)

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

How do things grow at those negative temps? We are so blessed at 32 degrees.

 

[YukonKronic]

How do things grow at those negative temps? We are so blessed at 32 degrees.

They don’t. Our growing season is short but because of long daylight hours the sun exposure is increased and we get massive growth rates from the things that can thrive here. Limiting factor in our soil is organic matter. The Topsoil is only 4-6 inches deep most places.
So Summer is go time. All of Nature does it and the people tend to go into overdrive too.. then we drink beer all winter

 

[dubi]

Hi smilley

Welcome and thank you very much for supporting our work.
You chose 2 really good sativas to get familiarized with our sativa genetics.

The number of plants you can grow in your indoor space depends mainly on the size of the pots and for how long do you plan to veg them.

I have had very good results flowering sativa clones indoors with 2 gallon (7 liter) pots, and as others pointed out, i always recommend to transplant the indoor sativas to their final pots when the early flowering stretching is over.

Zamaldelica fem version grows quite compact and it's very easy to keep under control, on the other hand Honduras x Panama tends to grow taller and bigger and needs in average more time to ripen.

If this is your first indoor sativa grow, then i would recommend you to grow only 1 strain first (i would start with Zamaldelica which is easier), get some experience with indoor sativas, and then try next Honduras x Panama.

Let us know if you have any doubt. Best wishes!