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js2014hammer

Hello all, well I just completed my first post, just to be told I needed to log in, but then it said I was logged in. I took awhile to write the post, and I did not save everything I wrote, and so the skip to the log in screen did not post what I attempted to write lol...
So I take that as a sign that I need to be quick about this writing of posts.
Ok first off I am going to be making a lot of purchases over the next few days to 2 weeks. I have the money all set aside I just basically joined here so that I could get advice, opinions, critiques, and hopefully a few nagging questions answered before I make the final buys.
I live in an apartment in a major city, odor, noise, stealth are concerns and need to be dealt with. This is for personal growing, and 4 plants or less is what I will be working with.
Looking at 3x3 or 4x4 grow tent: Gorilla, Secret Jardin, and Argomax brand tents is what I been looking at. If I understand everything correctly Gorilla is considered the "best", followed by the Secret Jardin, then Argomax? Please feel free to tell me your experiences, advice etc. about these, and if you want tell me about other brands as well. I am open.
After seeing a lot on the internet about digital ballast and RI, that pretty much scared me away. Magnetic core and ballast is what I am looking at right now. Sunleaves or Sun-Systems brand ballast.
400w and switchable. Ceramic and Hortilux blue lamps are what I have been looking at. Please feel free to make suggestions etc. on the chosen light system.
Ventilation... well the math and general physics of it all I understand. But I still have a few questions. I do understand completely that there is going to be some level of noise no matter what. It is a fan moving a lot of air, very fast, it is just going to make noise. But jet engine sounds I am avoiding at all costs.
Odor control is a must so I am going to be buying a carbon filter.
Now what I do not understand still is the fact that I look at 8" inline fan that can pull 747 CFMs, then look at a Phresh 8"x24" that states it needs 750 CFMs. So do I size up to a 10" fan? I thought sizing down your connections/duct is a no go as it produces more noise? And if I am to understand how it all works, your fans CFMs are lost in a myriad of ways. Like if I put a speed controller on a 8" fan, and fit it to a 6" carbon filter, isn't that going to produce more noise?, because I have weakened the fan CFMs by turning it down, and attached it to a smaller connection?
Just how big a carbon filter does a 3x3 or 4x4 need anyway with 4 plants or less at full flower?
Hoods I am still undecided. I have read that an uncovered hood that exposes the plants to UV will produce a better quality cola. Is that true? What about air cooled/covered hood recommendations? Does the end product really take a quality hit from having your hood covered? If you do make a air cooled vote, please tell me an exact brand of hood to look at please? :)
Sorry if this is long, but I am about to be spending a good amount of cash on this and would love to have input, advice, experience given to me to help me out. I am certain everyone here can relate to this feeling. So please give me your input, because I want it.
One last thing, I am doing this organic, in pots, with proven lighting systems, and hopefully solid equipment. I said that because LEDs, 1k, hydro, and all that jazz are cool, BUT, NOT FOR ME at this point. I have ALOT of patience, and will be learning, doing, researching continually and from the bottom up so to speak. Hopefully all this info can help form a better picture with where I am at with it and where I am going. THANK YOU for reading and helping :)
 

Granger2

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js2014hammer,
I'll only comment on a few things. Just for personal use, a 3x3 with a 600w should keep you way oversupplied, lower cost start up, less energy, less heat*, lower noise, etc. If it's possible, putting your centrifugal fan inside the tent will help on the noise.

The Phresh filter rating means max. You can run it with less air coming thru, as long as the cfm isn't too low.

You can have uncovered lamps if you do it right. Like having your carbon filter hanging just outside the tent, centrifugal fan just inside the tent with duct going back to a 6" air cooled hood with no glass. This exhausts the tent and partially air cools the hood. You can experiment by closing off the intake on the hood, forcing the tent air thru the lamp to see what cools better. You'll need to use a portion of the prefilter inside the Phresh. The carbon filter will provide some mufflage of fan noise if you run it in that direction. Where is the tent going to reside? AC? CO2? Good luck. -granger
 
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js2014hammer

Thank you for the reply Granger,
The tent would be in a closet initially. If that is not what I like or is not working out so well then in I would move it into a spare bedroom. I do have A/C through out the apartment. The temperature of the apartment usually stays around the 75-80 F range during the day right now, and gets down to the high 60s to low 70s in the evening time. Humidity stays around the high 40s. When summer is full on, the humidity and temp will be very high, 90+F, and 60+ humidity for outside temperatures FYI. At this point I am not planning on using any CO2.
So ok, the 3x3 with a 600w is what you recommend. I like that idea. But I do have to ask why do you think less energy, and possibly less heat*? I figure the 600w is going to heat that small space up pretty hot and quick. Just wanting more explanation is all, not trying to argue :)
I noticed you mentioned a centrifugal fan rather than an inline fan. I was under the impression that they run louder overall, compared to certain types of inline fans. I thought that an inline fan was maybe the route I should take because of the noise concern? I was looking at an S&P TD-200S, and also the TD-200, and TD-250, all inline fan models. But hey please do let me know if you think the centrifugal fan is the better bet.
Thank you for the set up idea with the ventilation, hood, and tent. That sounds badass to be honest. If that would enable some good temps and great ventilation for the plants, and knock the smell out of the equation I think we may have a winner ya know?
Thank you for the reply once again. And if anyone else wants to chime in with there 0.2 cents please fell free. I was actually gona order a few things today, but I am gona wait and see if Granger, or anyone else wants to give input...
 

Granger2

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js,
I mean that the 600w will use less energy and generate less heat than a 1000w.

I'd have lights on at night to take advantage of lower temps in apt.

The fan you're considering is actually a modernized centrifugal, I think. Different mfgrs of centrifugal fans are coming out with that type. They are supposed to be quieter, but with reduced cfm. Vortex is one I'm interested in. They main consideration is having enough cfm for your needs. I'm pretty sure Vortex has an 8". Figure out how many cfm you need and shop around. Good luck. -granger
 

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