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My war with the Root aphid.

DabSnob

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this is my first post in the infirmary and its a doozy. im new to the ICmag community but a veteran grower of 5 years, in washington state.

To the point, 9 days ago i ran into Root Aphids, found a single flier on my yellow sticky pads that i have been using for monitoring my fungus gnat issue. knowing that a single flier usually means a huge population in the room or adjacent room, i went on the hunt and found a cut i had recently purchased from a local club was infested... not sure how i missed it during the first transplant, probably too many dabs haha. i studied quickly to find i had a recommended product for the bitches, botanigard ES. called a buddy and asked if he knew of any products to use. he claims he wiped them out in three, five day intervals of spectracide with triazicide at 1 TBS/gal root drench. he still hasnt had issue 6 months later. read about plenty of options, acephate, bifenthrin, imidacloprid, cyhalothrin, acetamiprid, and permethrin. i decided to buy most of those... and rotate each one 3 days apart till each one has been used. give them not a signle chance to bounce back. i may loose more then a few ladies, but thats better then getting 50% yields. EclipseFour20 has an awesome recommendation of doing a "healthy cocktail* between each treatment, i slightly modified the recipe to what i had available in my grow. will use after treatments or if plants show signs of shock from heavy treatment.
*ALL PLANTS WILL BE VEGGED 30 DAYS TO REMOVE CHEMICALS BEFORE FLOWER*

First i did a Botanigard Treatment of 2TBS a gallon and did a soak of Each and every plant in my grow. thats 45 plants total, half of those in 5 gallon pots. the next morning around 12 hours after treatment there were THOUSANDS of dead ones covering the area around the pots, i vacuumed the entire grow area floor, ceilings, cracks...EVERYWHERE with my hepa filter vac. and let off a pyrithrum bomb to hopefully knockout any flier out of the soil.

2 days later, for my second treatment i used Bayer complete at 1 TBS a gallon as a root soak on my veg plants and early flowering plants. Plants past week 2 or 3 weeks into 12/12 were given SNS-203 at 3TBS a gallon as a root soak.
*I noticed everyplant was more perky and healthy after only 2 days of the botanigard treament.*

3 days after the bayer treamtnet (today 4/19/2013) I hit all the VEG plants with a mix of 2 TBS/gal of SNS-203 and Azamax at 10ml/gal used as a root soak. Flower got another 2 TBS/gal of botanigard. Most plants are looking healthy! A few are noticeably over watered from the short period between treatments, but as pointed out by many others you have to do treatments every 3-5 days to disrupt the life cycle or there is no chance of winning this battle. i chose to accept a few casualties and give them hell.

I will keep everyone posted on the events following today... hopefully i can win this battle, or its a change of location for me... womp womp :(
 

Granger2

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Dabsnob,
You're certainly well armed. On the overwatering issue-the imid and botanigard will keep killing, so you can give them more drying time. Good luck. -granger
 

DabSnob

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granger, thanks for the input. i have read almost every one of these root aphid threads from top to bottom, i trust your words. i figure this 3 quick treatments should allow me to let them fully dry this time around. the only ones really overwatered are the one that were the most infested... maybe the aphids are pushing back at me..AHHH! haha
 

DabSnob

Member
update: 12 hours after SNS/azamax mix in the veg room, the most heavily infested plants had hundreds more, dead as doornails right outside the drainage holes. creepy seeing this many after two heavy treatments so close together... might just take some cuts of the bad ones and toss the pots and soil.
i have not yet checked the flowering room that was treated with a second dose of botanigard. lights come on at 7 so i'll update around then.
 

DabSnob

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forgot to mention in the update, I also hungup 2 no pest strips in my veg room to hopefully aid in killing any crawlers on the floor/walls/ceilings and any fliers that wanna show their faces.
 

DabSnob

Member
Found both of these bastards on one sticky pad today after 3rd treatment, found plenty more fliers on the ground... maybe the no pest strips are killing the fliers?
Root aphid Fliers

Fungus gnat fliers
 

DabSnob

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my small veg plants... some look much better then others...

orange blossom. looking beautiful even though shes been so heavily treated the past few days.
 

medicalmj

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Thanks for posting and labeling those pics bro! This helps people ID pests. Man I feel for ya, you def got swarmed on by those fuckers.

And special props for letting people know that ur gonna veg out for 30 days to get the chems out. Hope everyone reads that and follows suit.
 

DabSnob

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thanks Medical, too many people get fungus gnats and RA's confused.. with a jewelers loop and my Iphone you can get some quality pics.

I actually plan on doing a little longer then 30 days of extra veg, as i accidentally started those clones 3 weeks early so i got a little ahead of my rotation... whoops.

UPDATE: plants still lookin up! no burn on any tips of any leaves, finding more and more dead fuckers on the ground. debating on taking cuttings of the Ghost OG, and Cheese cake that are heavily infested and just tossing the rest of the plant along with soil. as for the smallest Veg plants they are all blowing up!

* picked up some fasilitor and start boost from aptus, hoping this will be the ULTIMATE, root juice/"healthy cocktail" coupled with roots excel, oregonism XL, Kelp, aquashield and molasses, i should see root growth back to normal within days *
 

Critter

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If you really need a crop, what you are doing will keep em down but once in flower they will come back with a vengence. Getting rid of all soil and containers and taking clones and treating clones from day one with preventatives in veg may work. You may wanna chck out met-52 it seems to work well.
 

DabSnob

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critter, i have heard very mixed reviews on MET-52... it must be inoculated at around 70-80 degree soil temperatures... which is the perfect temp for these bastards to thrive. i chose to freeze my rooms to 55- 60 degrees day and night cycle to slow there breeding down and blast them with everything i can back to back to back. i plan on trying MET-52 when i finish this rotation for preventative measures as ive read this is the best option when using it.

Also as i stated above my buddy (whom i believe i got these from originally) had success with 3 triazicide dunks 5 days apart. its been 6 months and he hasnt seen a single one turn up, and hes back to pulling .9-.98 grams per watt without using preventative measures.

let me atleast try this method before you try and convince me this will only keep them down. maybe you didnt have luck with these products/ methods, but your not everyone. I invite you to follow the battle but dont get so negative nancy so quickly, give me more then 9 days and 3 treatments before you try and blast my methods thats all im sayin.

also this summer i have 3 gorilla grows going (cuts will be from a serperate source then me) so if i cant get rid of them by june 21st everything will be flowered out and i'll focus all my energy on my outdoor.
 

Critter

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Dude there is no negativity or blasting methods there...wtf I was just giving my opinion from what ive seen, soil it is hard to get rid of these things for good without changing out soil, I didnt know or see any info about your friends insecticide or anything about temps I just read what you wrote and gave a reply as you are posting in the infirmary I would think more discussion the better. Just trying to give suggestions to help sheesh??

critter, i have heard very mixed reviews on MET-52... it must be inoculated at around 70-80 degree soil temperatures... which is the perfect temp for these bastards to thrive. i chose to freeze my rooms to 55- 60 degrees day and night cycle to slow there breeding down and blast them with everything i can back to back to back. i plan on trying MET-52 when i finish this rotation for preventative measures as ive read this is the best option when using it.

Also as i stated above my buddy (whom i believe i got these from originally) had success with 3 triazicide dunks 5 days apart. its been 6 months and he hasnt seen a single one turn up, and hes back to pulling .9-.98 grams per watt without using preventative measures.

let me atleast try this method before you try and convince me this will only keep them down. maybe you didnt have luck with these products/ methods, but your not everyone. I invite you to follow the battle but dont get so negative nancy so quickly, give me more then 9 days and 3 treatments before you try and blast my methods thats all im sayin.

also this summer i have 3 gorilla grows going (cuts will be from a serperate source then me) so if i cant get rid of them by june 21st everything will be flowered out and i'll focus all my energy on my outdoor.
 

DabSnob

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i didnt take your comment negatively and maybe ( ok i did ) used stronger language then neccesary. i just wanted to state that ive heard MET-52 has some downfalls and around a 90% success rate, BUT does work great when used from the get go as a preventive.

In most of the RA threads EVERYONE is told that you might as well scrap your entire grow, soil, pots, and some even say all your equipment. im trying to give the people that dont have that as an option some kind of hope by buying every product ive been suggested (besides MET-52, evergreen, and riptide) and giving them each a shot. my thinking is that it wont give them any chance to build a resistance to any certain product, and by cooling the rooms it may decrease the ammount of aphids that can reproduce between treatments. maybe all the negative talk ive been reading is getting to me, my apologies.
 

Granger2

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Dan,
You mentioned getting every product. Don't waste 60 bucks on Nuke'm. I did, and it didn't seem to kill any root aphids. Followed instructions to a T. Gave up, and did 1 30 minute immersion with Cedarcide PCO Choice, and couldn't find a one. Great stuff, but must be flushed out of medium right away.

BTW, you said the ones that seemed to be getting overwatered were the ones that were infested worst. That makes sense, because they probably have the worst root damage. Good luck. -granger
 

DabSnob

Member
granger- absolutely correct on the root damage comment... i feel they could really benefit from a root cocktail next watering to get some new root growth started.
 

DabSnob

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UPDATE: decided to dig into the rootball of one of the most infected plants in veg, found only 1 aphid in the 2nd stage or growth, probably killed the plant i broke into so good. also cropped a plant 2 days early to check its rootball.. not a single aphid in the pot, searched each one for 30 minutes a piece with my jewelers loop and found nothing. seeing as how i found 1 that means there are plenty more, but on day 11 after finding these bastards im much happier with the overall look and health of each plant and still havent had a single flier hit any of the 30 sticky pads ive layed around the room and under pots.
 

ballplayer 2

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Thank you for the rapid follow ups Dabsnob. I am battling these bastards as well. The little fuckers(fliers) were congregating on the passive intakes on my tent, waiting for a chance to get at the only plants I had left before shutting down. Seems they could not fly in through my exhaust line with it running 24/7. I'm sure there were plenty of the earlier lifecycle present in my tent.

My plants were sensitive to light (ie. the further away the light source,the better the plants did). I had creeping Mg deficiency most of the way through. The leaves would form and look decent, but as the next set emerged the older leaves would show more pronounced "deficiency" symptoms. Also ALL of my plants hermied. Some hermied when inducing 12/12 (within 10-12 days), others had hermie preflowers while still in late veg. I had late-veg plants with both male and female traits popping out of the same pre-flower site. Mine were definitely aphids, not mosquito like at all, but oval. I think the dead giveaway as well was... while there were fliers, there were not the number of fliers that would occur during an unchecked gnat infest. Perhaps 20-30 total fliers hanging out on the intakes, as opposed to the hundreds of FG's present 6-7 years ago when I had a FG infest.

Please continue with your regular updates. I really hope we can all find a way to eradicate and/or control these life sucking pests. Thank you for your time.

BP2
 

DabSnob

Member
BP2, im dead set on getting rid of every single one of these fuckers. every crop was getting smaller and smaller, even though i was buying better equipment and focusing much more of my time in my rooms. i couldnt understand what was going on. i started to think i just lost touch with it. but then it happened, i noticed a dead flier on the ground and it has been game on ever since. luckily as i stated above, my buddy eradicated his easily, and another guy from my local shop didnt have an issue either, and they both stuck to one product. one using mycotrol, and the other Triazicide. I decided i wanted to try it all and basically go in biological, nuclear, and gorilla warfare mode and give them not a single chance to populate.
only time will tell.

Tomorrow: Triazicide drenches in the veg
SNS/azamax drenches in flower.
 

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