My first organic grow

[Guest]

hey ya'll
I'm new here and to organic growing
my first nute mix is:

worm castings
bat guano
steamed bone meal
kelp meal

would love some input as to what this mix has/doesn't have for a succesfull grow, am I missing any essentials for my lovely's?

 

[irie-i]

hi =bbc= welcome home!

worm castings
bat guano
steamed bone meal
kelp meal

worm castings are always good becuase the bring the soil to life, all kinds of beneficial organisms as well as some NPK

you got N with guano, if you use high N guano.

you got P with bone meal,

and K and micronutes with kelp...

so you got a good start. i prefer to use cheap N stuff like alfalfa meal and/or cottonseed meal and put the $$ into the high P guano. thus avoiding the dis-ease of using bone meal. (nasty to breathe, the beef industry, mad cow etc etc)
check my mix in the link below
you'll certainly have to supplement with teas or bottled ferts throughout the cycle.

god luck and you have come to the right place.

irie

 

[JackTheGrower]

I'm off on Bat Guano..

Try some in water you will see the sand.

I like Seabird this year.

There are Hign Nitrogen and High Phos. ones.

They water in well.

Wear a mask with all dust products and with powered guano absolutly.

 

[Guest]

OK......

The guano is high Phos. I got it thinking it would be the N I needed,
was in a hurry and got the Phos heavy kind instead, perhaps I can make good of my mistake ....

thank you, i've now discovered this thread happening with all these different recipies up above......

 

[JackTheGrower]

OK......

The guano is high Phos. I got it thinking it would be the N I needed,
was in a hurry and got the Phos heavy kind instead, perhaps I can make good of my mistake ....

thank you, i've now discovered this thread happening with all these different recipies up above......

It's a great site.

I'm learning the value of it all the time.

Best of growiing to you.

 

[Guest]

I see alot of mention of mollasses? being used in tea.
is this just regular old cooking mollasses or some sort of special stuff you can get commercially made especially for this purpose?

what are the benefits of it?

and, is there enough K in kelp meal just by itself or should I add another ingredient to suppliment>? would it be ok to add a little wood ash to my mix or is that insane?

and irie about your mix, other than ph balancing, what are the benefits of using lime? I see you use quite a bit of it in your mix.

so I'm changing up my fert plan quite a bit now, on the quest for the ultimate mix, thanks for the input!

 

[irie-i]

I see alot of mention of mollasses? being used in tea. is this just regular old cooking mollasses or some sort of special stuff you can get commercially made especially for this purpose?

just molasses, nothing special about it. you can get it at the feed store for $15 for 3 gallons. for one thing it feeds the bacteria in the tea and soil. it is a fertilizer, and its micro nutrients are chelated, making it easier for the roots to use them.
check out the the thread called 3lb molasses guide.

would it be ok to add a little wood ash to my mix or is that insane?

you can add pretty much anything you would give to any other plant, but make sure the ash is clean, like not from a garbage burn pile or whatever.

add greensand for more K. its always a good idea to get each major nutrient from 2 sources. they breakdown and get used differently.

other than ph balancing, what are the benefits of using lime? I see you use quite a bit of it in your mix.

lime has calcium and magnesium in it. i used alot this time especially because the cottonseed meal is acidic. and last few cycles my plants seemed to become deficient early. i hypothised that a pH drift in the soil might be occuring towards the end of the cycle. it seems like, within reason, you cant use too much lime. but certainly be careful not to over do it.

i am irie

 

[Guest]

nice....thank you for the feedback that is some great info!

now what about this:

with chemical ferts it's easy to figure out when to stop feeding and flush
them accordingly.

Going organic, putting together a good fert mix is one thing, but considering that the ferts are in the soil being slowly drawn out, how do you figure out exactly how much to use to ensure there is just enough in there to feed them well and endup with a well flushed result?

 

[irie-i]

first off, dont worry too much about over doing it with teas. i usually feed/feed/flush, and then flush last 2 or 3 weeks. some feed right to the end with no flush. this time im feedng without flushing till the last two weeks, then flushing. do a search, theres lots of discussion here about flushing organics

 

[Ganico]

Molasses have a lot of K and some Mg

 

[vonforne]

You could also use Epsom salts for the Mg, ca and sulfur. Or use the OMRI version K-Mag.

 

[Guest]

I do have some epsom salts, the ones for putting in your bath, same type?
I'm not sure if I have any other form of sulfur, I've learned it's essential.