My clones are 4 days old and leaves start yellowing...

[pothead001]

Hi,


Today would be the 4th day for my clones. I kept them under a humid dome with a little opening so the humidity average around 70-80% with temp between 73-76F. I reason i didn't fully cover them with the humid dome is because i couldn't be home to take them off for an hour or so twice a day as some would instructed (i stay at campus most of the time). I know i shouldn't expecting any roots yet, but the lower leaves of the clones started yellowing (same condition as nitrogen deficiency), some almost dried out. The top of the clones look pretty normal and healthy (i think), so i suspect that they drew the nitrogen from the lower to leaves to provide nute for the new growth (yes there is some new growth, but just can't see any roots yet).

Anyway should of add some info on soil and nutes...

I use sunshine mix #4 with little dolomite lime and 25% more perlite. I watered it with a pH adjusted water to 6.2. The solution contains 1/2 strength of ThriveAlive B1 organic and 2/3 strength of No-Damp. I left it for a day before it is usedl. The first two days the light was on 24/0, since then it has been on 20/4. Oh, I use those transparent party cups as my clones' pot with drain holes on the bottom.

Should I worry about the yellowing of the lower leaves and is there anything i could make an improvement on?

thanks.

 

[Guest]

are clones rooted

 

[NZjay]

did you even read the post Chokar?... he said twice there are no roots.

Pothead: pictures would really help here....
alot of ppl trim leaf tips off when they clone, so if its just the tips, you are likley worrying too much.

but pics would be great.

and transparent cups?....
roots dont like light... use a solid color beer cup in my opinion.

pics will get you more help though man...
best of luck

 

[greenclaws]

hey guys cant give any advice but im having the same prob,my clones HAVE rooted and are growing but the leaves are very yellow and are also drooping alot.i have a thread going on this so if anyone can help please get in touch,sorry bout jacking your thread op but it sounds like we having the same prob so i would love some input on this.

 

[FreezerBoy]

Again, pictures would help. Are you in a Hydrohut? Temps and pH sound good. Are you burning them with nutes? Did you trim your leaves? Cuttings can neither support nor use leaves and will kill themselves trying.

The secret to my success (45% to 99.44%) was soaking the bottom inch of the slip for one minute in full strength liguid Hormex. I then goop up the stem with cloning gel and plant in rockwool. I used to use a clone dome but, now use a mini bubbler. They get domes the first night only. Next day the domes come off and each clone gets two drops of water in the growing tip. One when I wake up: One at bedtime. No more water except what they absorb through the stem. Note the trimmed leaves.

 

[pothead001]

I hope these pics would help.

Today would be the 5th day, i took the dome off completely. There is one wilting clone, but that one is only 2 days old.

My best clone (still dont see any roots)


dried up leaves, but the top doesn't look too bad.


don't know what to say about this one.


All my clones.



My Garden...


with oscfan



Ok anyway, don't want to hijack my own thread but some brown dots started to appear on my main plant. Two major events happened to it in the past week, first i change the nute to AN Sensi Grow, second i accidentally one of the main branch which why i have a two days old clone (i drop the cooltube on it while trying remount).





thanks

 

[JJScorpio]

Most times the leaves do begin to yellow before they root. This isn't uncommon.

If your clones have rooted and are wilting, put them back under the dome and gradually "harden" them off to the outside. You do this by bringing them out for an hour or so and then put them back. Eventually when you bring them out they will not wilt and they will be good to go. Once they root you can feed them. Remember, the mother was fed well and these are a part of the mother.....

 

[greenclaws]

thanx for that jj,thats great info ill make sure my plants get a good feed as they must be starving!

 

[pothead001]

It has been 6 days and still no root visible, most still look similar to the pics i posted but i did see some new healthy growth. Keep waiting? I'm so anxious.

 

[Stoned Cold]

Any new growth is at the cost of the lower branches, if you havent any roots. Not really a good thing. You can prevent this by clipping the leaves, like FB advised. It will stop top growth and focus it's energy on the roots. Usually cuts take about 8-12 days to root.
You may want to also look into a bottle of 'Wilt-Pruf' or a similar product.

Good Luck!

 

[FreezerBoy]

It has been 6 days and still no root visible

While slips can root in 6 days, with a cup of your size filed with dirt I wouldn't count on seeing any roots for another 3-4 weeks.

Oh and trim your leaves. Leaves demand water from the roots, which you don't have. They'll also try to process sunlight which the plant can't handle at this size. Leaves are good for plants but, bad for slips.

 

[pothead001]

While slips can root in 6 days, with a cup of your size filed with dirt I wouldn't count on seeing any roots for another 3-4 weeks.

Oh and trim your leaves. Leaves demand water from the roots, which you don't have. They'll also try to process sunlight which the plant can't handle at this size. Leaves are good for plants but, bad for slips.

I trimmed all the leaves, including the little one as you say. However, i followed the instruction from growkind.com Faq "cloning in soil" step by step, i'm practically doing the same thing as in the instruction. Why does mine takes 3-4 weeks to while the instruction said only 7-10 days? I'm really confused, maybe, next time i'll try a different method, rockwool or bubble cloner or something.

I use sunshine mix #4 as my soil with extra perlite, this should be optimal for cloning isn't it?

As for rooting power, i use PlantProd Stim-Root #1.
I use distilled water with 1/2 strength Thrivealive B1 then adjusted pH to about 6.1-2 before i water the soil. I still don't see why it shouldn't root in a normal time frame.

Today it's the ninth days, still visible roots. I'm sad ..............................

Oh, another question, if it doesn't have any roots, why is it still look normal, relatively healthy, not wilting or anything; Consider that i took the dome off some time ago and the relative humidity doesn't pass 35% (usually 25-35%) when light is on. where does it gets it's water from with such low humidity? and how it's still surviving relatively well. (I'll take some pics tomorrow or something when i have a little more time).

thanks.

 

[pothead001]

Tomorrow is the 2nd week for my clones and still no root.

I moved them to a ventilated cardboard box with 26w CFL w/ reflector and it's on 24/0. My question is how are they still alive after 2 weeks with no root, very low humidity (like under 30%) and with somewhat dry soil. (I trimmed all leaves over a week ago)

I don't mist them at all. anyway my second question would be should i keep the soil moist all the time or should it be little dry up to force it to root?

please answer me this time

thank you!

 

[HerbGlaze]

Make sure your soil is always wet.. 42w would be better and spray them daily 3x with water. Also.. make sure the CFL is around 1-2inches above them...did you put cloning formula on them>_<?

 

[pothead001]

Make sure your soil is always wet.. 42w would be better and spray them daily 3x with water. Also.. make sure the CFL is around 1-2inches above them...did you put cloning formula on them>_<?

ok I'll get the soil wet and yes i do use cloning power made by PlantProd called Stim-root #1. I also water the soil with a light mix of thrivealive b1 also.

as for spraying, this seem to contradict what i was being told. Some would say never mist them.... btw it's not wilting so i think spraying will spoil them...
more input would be welcomed. i'm still a noob.

thanks

 

[chubbynugs]

ok I'll get the soil wet and yes i do use cloning power made by PlantProd called Stim-root #1. I also water the soil with a light mix of thrivealive b1 also.

as for spraying, this seem to contradict what i was being told. Some would say never mist them.... btw it's not wilting so i think spraying will spoil them...
more input would be welcomed. i'm still a noob.

thanks

I spray my clones twice a day if i can. The leaves take in the water until the roots are formed.



I make sure the tray and dome are very humid.

 

[YwouldntI]

lift the dome a lil bit and breathe(exhale) real deep into the dome (co2)they will love it.also instead of taking the dome off completely at first i would raise it a little like with a nail in the corner of the tray to hold the dome up and do that for a lilwhile every day

 

[pothead001]

Thanks for the replies, but those situation does not apply to me anymore.

I took the humid dome off over a week ago and just let my clones sit under the CFL lamp with relatively low humidity (under 30%). Since i trim all leaves and tips, no more new growth is being observed and they seemed to stay dormant. Doesn't change must for over the week and amazing not wilting or anything, still green and perky.

I will try to make soil remains moist at all time.

So far, been exactly 2 weeks and no root. Let see how long they want to stay that way.

thanks

 

[FreezerBoy]

as for spraying, this seem to contradict what i was being told.

You're forgetting the VOODOO portion of the formula. What works perfectly for some is gauranteed death for others. I've tried the areo/bubble clone thing three times because so many here swear by it. Me? 300% failure.

Don't give up! Took me at least 6 tries before I got a working method. Keep in mind, dirt isn't transparent. You could have a ton of roots and just not be able to see them yet.

 

[FreezerBoy]

The Naked City had more stories than I remembered

The Naked City had more stories than I remembered

Just an example how two people can do the same thing in completely different ways.



Were the slip on the left one of mine, I'd cut height by half or more. Cut the fans off altogether and seriously trim those that were left. On the right you can see one of my typical slips. Also, no humidity allowed in my setup. Two drops of water per slip and then they're on their own.

This is NOT to say one way's right or wrong. I'm just saying, don't forget the voodoo. There are 8 million cloning stories in the Naked City. You just have to find your own.