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MUST READ REGARDING ENERGY USAGE

Vermonster

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APD accessing Austin Energy customers' accounts
11/7/2007 12:52 PM
By: Reagan Hackleman



Austin Energy may not be the only city agency reading your meter every month.

Austin police might be taking a look too because of what's called the Utility Database Confidentiality agreement. It allows Austin police to access any information in a utility account without first obtaining approval from a judge.

"We have provided information to the Austin Police Department as a point of courtesy and state law allows us to do that," Austin Energy spokesperson Ed Clark said.

Utility account information is public record accessible by anyone unless a customer fills out a confidentiality form, but records are still made available to any government entity.

Police can access customers' information from their own computers.

Austin Energy, a public company, said nationally sharing information with law enforcement is common among utility companies.



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Police can access Austin Energy customers' accounts to monitor how much electricity they're using.







"They have full access to the database and the question is, how are they using it?" Debbie Russell with the American Civil Liberties Union said.

Russell heard that APD uses the database to detect large spikes in energy associated with growing marijuana.

"They could have an 85-year-old lady growing African violets or something completely different, medical machines. It's a waste of resources," Russell said.

The Austin Police Department would not comment on the record. They say they are waiting for a ruling by the attorney general about just how much information they have to disclose.

APD did release a statement, saying, "Every case must go through the legal process where all tactics are reviewed. APD is confident that the measures it utilizes follow the law.”

Either way, Austin police legally have the right to know how much energy you're using.
 
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This sucks ass, lucky I dont live in Austin. Seems everywhere though the pigs and any other government agency get more and more acess to our supposedly private lives. Well I say FTP, no infringment of privacy will ever deter those who want to overgrow the planet and overthrow this bullshit war on drugs. Thanks for the info vermonster!
 
Couldn't this be used to detect more than just "large spikes" in usage.

A 1k watter clicking on and off at exact 12 hour intervals can really only be one thing.... cops aren't that stupid. Are they?

You could always do 12.5/11.5 or 13/11 to make them scratch their heads, I guess.
 
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Farmer P4t said:
Couldn't this be used to detect more than just "large spikes" in usage.

A 1k watter clicking on and off at exact 12 hour intervals can really only be one thing.... cops aren't that stupid. Are they?

You could always do 12.5/11.5 or 13/11 to make them scratch their heads, I guess.
Security lights? 6pm to 6am. Pool heater? 6am to 10pm (veg.cycle). I don't know, just don't see it for 1K or less. :joint:
 

The_Leader

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This is comical. I know some that don't grow because of this missinformation doled out by the usa gov.

So lol at it all....imho
 

DIGITALHIPPY

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this is the same gov that cant catch bin-ladin they cant catch an idiot with some plants in his closet.

its the idiot in the closet that gets himself found that gets caught.
 

Wait...What?

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..and yet when you read about a large grow bust, they are almost always invariably stealing power...

heavy electricity users that pay on time are considered to be good customers.
 

AriesXX

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Adjust your life to your grow, or your grow to your life. 1kw of lights isn't going to attract attention, but if you're not satisfied with what you can grow under those conditions, then move somewhere you can set up a greenhouse and use the mighty power of the sun :D I ran 1400 watts in a 1 bdrm apartment and no one ever came knocking on my door, but it was a one time deal. I've since moved somewhere more suitable to my hobby :rasta:
 
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Comatose

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AriesXX said:
Adjust your life to your grow, or your grow to your life.

I like that and agree. Get energy saving appliances, do laundry somewhere else, set you water heater on low and watch how much you use. With Greenhouses though, u might have to be careful with choppers depending on where u live.
 

marx2k

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My electricity provider's website has a section where anyone can look up the energy usage of any home they provide for. You don't have to be their customer to look up this info. It gives you the yearly high, low and average kWh usage as well as what you pay monthly.
 

LiLWaynE

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ok, so you have 3kwatts of lights and equipment running in your house...


who says your not growing tomatoes with those lights?


in order for a judge to issue a warrant, they need more evidence then just power usage!
 

Vermonster

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I have to agrea that you never see a large bust that doesn't involve bypassing meters. I have noticed that my bills and usage are higher in the summer w my ac then sept to may when I run my 1K plus fans etc. So this is kinda propoganda. Also whenever I move I check past energy usage in the space so I guees anyone could get that info anyway.
 

marx2k

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LiLWaynE said:
ok, so you have 3kwatts of lights and equipment running in your house...

who says your not growing tomatoes with those lights?

in order for a judge to issue a warrant, they need more evidence then just power usage!

That's exactly what I always say. Or you could have a very large aquarium that requires some serious lighting. Or you have lots of computers. Or you have some powerful TVs. A -lot- of things these days suck down juice like crazy. Power usage alone is not a good indicator of any illicit activities.
 

DIGITALHIPPY

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marx2k said:
That's exactly what I always say. Or you could have a very large aquarium that requires some serious lighting. Or you have lots of computers. Or you have some powerful TVs. A -lot- of things these days suck down juice like crazy. Power usage alone is not a good indicator of any illicit activities.

did any of you read that link i posted to the san diego home??
its just a family with pc's in all the rooms, that like to use the a/c has a pool, video game systems... etc...

pc's can come with a 1250 w or 1500w or even 2000w power supplies for high end gameing systems/servers/workstations thats alot of juice, plus they pull more amps then a ballast ...

what about the coral farmers? it sounds off but salt-water coral sells for ALOT, one of my grow-buddies retired from mj farming into coral farming, he even uses all his old MH lights! he has 4500w of light on almost 500 gallons of water! he sells some of his large coral piece for 10 or 15k (20-30lbs 2-3 feet)!!! and its legal!!! some people relly enjoy tanking (fish's) my mom enjoys her A/C (shes in menopause) so thers alot of reasons for high power. they usualy get other evidence to support the raid/warrent, such as witnesses, reports, or officers seeing somthing. sale to a narc, etc.
 

DIGITALHIPPY

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more of an afterthought. im glad im not in the 3rd world where electricity is not a given or constant. not that it actualy happens but could u imagine indorgardening in iraq syria or lybia? what about china or asia? some of thoes people use only 20$ in elec a year, nevermind 20$ a day...haha
were so lavish we could do it and get away with it.
 

LiLWaynE

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The only thing that truly worries me about energy usage is the future...

the next president to be elected, WILL have to have a plan to save energy consumption...

I believe that they will try to pinpoint useless energy usage in the future..

which means going to the extent of encoding each appliance with a tag which will transmit it's information to a government computer...

it might seem far fetched,

but one day you might say HOLY SHIT THAT LIL WAYNE DUDE said that on ICMAG wayyy backk in the day back when illegal drug forums were allowed on the internet!!!
 

Wiimote

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LiLWaynE said:
The only thing that truly worries me about energy usage is the future...

the next president to be elected, WILL have to have a plan to save energy consumption...

I believe that they will try to pinpoint useless energy usage in the future..

which means going to the extent of encoding each appliance with a tag which will transmit it's information to a government computer...

it might seem far fetched,

but one day you might say HOLY SHIT THAT LIL WAYNE DUDE said that on ICMAG wayyy backk in the day back when illegal drug forums were allowed on the internet!!!

You are way more right than you are wrong. Let me explain. There are systems being rolled out now, that will tell you which circuit is using electricity and when. Some of these "smart" junction boxes can even break down your electricity usage in real time and display the info on a screen mounted inside your house. This info is also transmitted to the power co.

Now individual devices are not "tagged", rather they are identified by certain signatures or profiles in the electrical usage and wiring patterns. Lets say you decide to make some margaritas. First you get your ingrediants together from the fridge. freezer and bar. Your panel will display "Refridgerator running" and "Freezer running" (or however they phrase it, there are a few different models). It will also show which kitchen lights you have on, by name. And then either display that your using a blender, (if it can match a usage profile) or that your using a general kitchen appliance.

So although your time frame and implimentation are a little off, you are way more right than you are wrong.
 

LiLWaynE

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Wiimote said:
You are way more right than you are wrong. Let me explain. There are systems being rolled out now, that will tell you which circuit is using electricity and when. Some of these "smart" junction boxes can even break down your electricity usage in real time and display the info on a screen mounted inside your house. This info is also transmitted to the power co.

Now individual devices are not "tagged", rather they are identified by certain signatures or profiles in the electrical usage and wiring patterns. Lets say you decide to make some margaritas. First you get your ingrediants together from the fridge. freezer and bar. Your panel will display "Refridgerator running" and "Freezer running" (or however they phrase it, there are a few different models). It will also show which kitchen lights you have on, by name. And then either display that your using a blender, (if it can match a usage profile) or that your using a general kitchen appliance.

So although your time frame and implimentation are a little off, you are way more right than you are wrong.


I dont doubt you one bit.

but, I would kill to see a picture or some type of evidence that explains or depicts this.


thanks for the info though wii
 

gromer

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Your power usage is displayed on the internet as public info anyone can get it.I can get it.That whole 1000 watt pr bedroom deal is nonsense maybe a 400 per bedroom especially if you are runnin any other equiptment whatsoever.Propaganda my ass.I use to have that same theyll never catch me attitude ,then they did ,guess based on what?Power consumption.Oh that and I have a dog.Dogs=drugs nowadays dont ya know.Basically since 9/11 cops can do WHATEVER they want and I mean whatever.So by all means people be safe.Feds know very soon they are gonna have to shit or get off the pot and legalize so they are making as much money as they can in the mean time.
 

Wiimote

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Lil WaynE, I saw it on "This Old House" or some other home repair/decorating show, but I'll see if I can dig up some online resources for you sometime tonight.
 
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